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2 votes (11.76%)
1 vote (5.88%)
5 votes (29.41%)
9 votes (52.94%)
3 votes (17.64%)
5 votes (29.41%)
2 votes (11.76%)
No votes (0%)
1 vote (5.88%)
2 votes (11.76%)

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January 31st, 2017 at 8:18:49 PM permalink
Discussion of this game begins with this post in PokerGrinder's thread about his backpacking travels in Asia. While in Singapore he noticed a new blackjack variation at the Marina Bay Sands. The thrust of the game is that both player and dealer start with an 8. The game uses Spanish decks and pays 6-7-8 bonuses. For the complete rules, strategy, and analysis please see my new page on Dueling 8's 21.

As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections. As I write this I'm running a simulation on the game but initial results are showing a house edge of 1.07%.

The question for the poll is would you play Dueling 8's 21? Multiple votes allowed.
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Mission146
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January 31st, 2017 at 8:36:30 PM permalink
I would say instead of:

"2-10 = Pip value"

It would be more technically precise to say 2-9 = Pip Value because there are no actual tens in the deck and the next line specifies that Face Cards = 10.

Anyway, simple strategy, reasonable house edge, I'd probably play it if I was, 'Captive,' to the casino (there with someone) and it was the best game available. In my opinion, it's not that bad a game, you eat a little HE compared to traditional Blackjack, but it comes in exchange for not really having to think about anything. I suppose one downside is I would think it would play faster, if for no other reason, just because there are fewer physical cards to deal.
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January 31st, 2017 at 10:57:54 PM permalink
As Mission indicated, you lose a little house edge vs. BJ but the simple strategy is a real draw for those that have not played BJ before...I can see the game as way less intimidating to play for a beginner table games player...In fact, I would think this game would have a decent shot in the US if it had a better side bet....that HE on the 8's bet is awful & only an 8% hit rate!!

A new 21 year old comes to Vegas having never played BJ before, 4 simple rules and you are on your way. Much easier than trying to teach them all the splits, soft doubles, etc. and likely a faster game (again see Missions comments above).
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January 31st, 2017 at 11:35:50 PM permalink
I forgot to mention it is dealt out of a CSM.

(As are all BJ and Pontoon games at Sands)
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February 1st, 2017 at 6:30:28 AM permalink
Quote: PokerGrinder

I forgot to mention it is dealt out of a CSM.

(As are all BJ and Pontoon games at Sands)



Smart of them. This game would be obviously highly countable.

In Macau as well all blackjack games everywhere are dealt out of a continuous shuffler.
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February 1st, 2017 at 8:29:12 AM permalink
This made me laugh:
Quote:

If you prefer my usual basic strategy charts, I think this is the smallest one I've ever made.

Wanna make it smaller? Remove the soft line since that is a Stand, and falls into the 17-21 Stand group.

Or at least change the label to '19' since that's the only soft hand possible.
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DJTeddyBear
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February 1st, 2017 at 8:34:42 AM permalink
To the original question: At 1%, it's not bad. I'd try it although I suspect it would get boring fast.

But, holy crap! Stay away from that 17% side bet!
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February 1st, 2017 at 11:04:32 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

This made me laugh:Wanna make it smaller? Remove the soft line since that is a Stand, and falls into the 17-21 Stand group.



I did it that way at first. However, I just know somebody would write and ask how to play a soft 19.

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February 1st, 2017 at 1:47:39 PM permalink
Is there a column missing in the Analysis table of the "Base Game"? I don't see the "Events" on my display.
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February 1st, 2017 at 7:04:54 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Is there a column missing in the Analysis table of the "Base Game"? I don't see the "Events" on my display.



Yes; I fixed it. Thanks.
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