Down Under Blackjack
December 16th, 2016 at 10:39:03 PM
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Saw the Wizard's video on this new game. Am I crazy or does this seem way too good? Knowing the dealer, for example, has a stiff 12-17, is insanely beneficial. Am I overestimating the player advantage, or is the dealer 22 push really give that much of a house edge?
December 16th, 2016 at 11:13:40 PM
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You're overestimating the player advantage.
December 19th, 2016 at 7:05:40 AM
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Dealer push 22 (instead of busting) is worth 6.91% to the house edge... If you have an "average" .5% HE game before that rule, you're effectively upping the house edge by more than 10x...
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December 19th, 2016 at 7:20:27 AM
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If I read it correctly what's interesting about this is it's a modified "Push 22" whereby 21 and 2-card hands win, whereas others stand-off.Quote: RomesDealer push 22...6.91%...
December 19th, 2016 at 8:46:14 AM
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You're making it sound worse than necessary. Sure, Push22 costs some edge, but the semiexposed down card is a partial advantage. Those two things, more or less cancel each other out.Quote: RomesDealer push 22 (instead of busting) is worth 6.91% to the house edge... If you have an "average" .5% HE game before that rule, you're effectively upping the house edge by more than 10x...
Yeah, it's a modified rule that only partially encroaches on Switch's patent.Quote: charliepatrickIf I read it correctly what's interesting about this is it's a modified "Push 22" whereby 21 and 2-card hands win, whereas others stand-off.
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December 19th, 2016 at 9:35:17 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearYeah, it's a modified rule that only partially encroaches on Switch's patent.
LOL
But to confirm, I believe its the "Golden Rule", where the dealers down card is a gold value (face/ace). If its gold, than push 22 in activated...
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September 13th, 2017 at 4:14:39 PM
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Looking for a little more info on this game. I've played it a little, and it is interesting. But not much in the way of written advice can be found, not by me anyway. No books, no Wizard strategy article, not much posted about it. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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February 18th, 2018 at 5:33:20 PM
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I just posted a video on the new version of Down Under Blackjack. Enjoy!
Direct link: https://youtu.be/3XmQavFbuak
Direct link: https://youtu.be/3XmQavFbuak
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February 19th, 2018 at 5:51:02 AM
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I would play this for a lark
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February 19th, 2018 at 9:38:56 AM
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Quote: odiousgambitI would play this for a lark
It's confusing as hell, a real challenge at first. Wizard has posted the Basic Strategy now, it's difficult, (for me), to implement, but it just takes effort. I am impressed with the game, the concept. I think it is a winner. My compliments to the inventors. (and to Wizard for the Basic Strategy)
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March 14th, 2018 at 11:34:50 AM
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Yeah, I definitely see this replacing regular blackjack which is a rinse and repeat game (even to the ploppies). This is blackjack with a few odd twists and turns that seem pretty fun and interesting. I hope this game does well.
Thanks for the video and the basic strategy, Mike!
Thanks for the video and the basic strategy, Mike!
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March 14th, 2018 at 2:09:11 PM
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Very interesting game. I love it. Can't wait to play it. Any updates on placements? beyond the 4 placements mentioned in the WOO article?
The extra complexity will mean more player mistakes - so effective house edge will be larger for that reason. Still it looks like fun, regular BJ can be sooo boring.
The extra complexity will mean more player mistakes - so effective house edge will be larger for that reason. Still it looks like fun, regular BJ can be sooo boring.
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March 14th, 2018 at 2:19:05 PM
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The gameplay itself looks great.
But, that's a horrible logo, and a silly name. If walking through a casino, and only seeing that sign notifying "Down Under Blackjack" with that logo, I'd keep walking. I'd have no clue what any of it were. Which is a shame, because it looks fun.
But, that's a horrible logo, and a silly name. If walking through a casino, and only seeing that sign notifying "Down Under Blackjack" with that logo, I'd keep walking. I'd have no clue what any of it were. Which is a shame, because it looks fun.
March 14th, 2018 at 3:29:59 PM
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Quote: gordonm888Very interesting game. I love it. Can't wait to play it. Any updates on placements? beyond the 4 placements mentioned in the WOO article?
Rumor has it that it will appear at Table Mountain Casino in the Fresno California area soon.
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March 14th, 2018 at 3:46:12 PM
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I can’t think of a decent alternative name that even remotely describes the game. This name does make a reasonable attempt at that. Add the fact that the inventors are from Australia, and that name is a no-brainer.Quote: SM777But, that's a horrible logo, and a silly name. If walking through a casino, and only seeing that sign notifying "Down Under Blackjack" with that logo, I'd keep walking. I'd have no clue what any of it were. Which is a shame, because it looks fun.
The logo could use some work. But it does a good job of playing off the three colors. So if you already know of the game, the logo works. Not so much for newbies...
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March 14th, 2018 at 7:35:31 PM
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Quote: gordonm888
The extra complexity will mean more player mistakes - so effective house edge will be larger for that reason.
Understatement of the year. No one has a clue. (which included myself until Wizard did the basic strategy).
I'm sure the sharp players can get BS down pat in a few days. For me, it took a week. Romes could probably learn it in ten minutes.
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March 14th, 2018 at 7:42:00 PM
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Quote: FCBLComishQuote: gordonm888Very interesting game. I love it. Can't wait to play it. Any updates on placements? beyond the 4 placements mentioned in the WOO article?
Rumor has it that it will appear at Table Mountain Casino in the Fresno California area soon.
Interesting. That place is packed on weekends. I wish they had a hotel.
They have a large table game section, and I bet they have at least eight Spanish 21 tables. Maybe more.
I'm still mad at them for taking out the Game Makers with Pick'em on them that were there since forever. But they have some decent video poker, too.
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March 14th, 2018 at 8:39:48 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI can’t think of a decent alternative name that even remotely describes the game. This name does make a reasonable attempt at that. Add the fact that the inventors are from Australia, and that name is a no-brainer.
The logo could use some work. But it does a good job of playing off the three colors. So if you already know of the game, the logo works. Not so much for newbies...
I'd imagine the inventor being Australian is the only reason it was named Down Under, not because that describes the function of the game. That sign does the game no justice in terms of getting people over to the table from a distance.
I can't think of a better name either.
March 14th, 2018 at 9:38:06 PM
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A better name would simply be Hole-Card blackjack. This would immediately get all novices and APs heads turning to see exactly what this game is about. Hole card APs will feel like theyre in heaven and novices and degenerates will think this game is so easily beatable because they dont understand the math behind dealer bust rates.
All in all, this is an interesting blackjack variant but highly vulnerable to an AP if the rules are similar to regular blackjack
All in all, this is an interesting blackjack variant but highly vulnerable to an AP if the rules are similar to regular blackjack
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March 14th, 2018 at 10:24:40 PM
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Quote: ZenKinGA better name would simply be Hole-Card blackjack. This would immediately get all novices and APs heads turning to see exactly what this game is about. Hole card APs will feel like theyre in heaven and novices and degenerates will think this game is so easily beatable because they dont understand the math behind dealer bust rates.
All in all, this is an interesting blackjack variant but highly vulnerable to an AP if the rules are similar to regular blackjack
Hi ZenKing. If you haven't seen this game spread yet, I invite you to give it a spin BEFORE you learn Wizard's Basic Strategy. Get back to me and tell me if you got a headache. lol It is not an easy game at first.
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March 15th, 2018 at 1:00:18 PM
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Quote: bobbartop
They have a large table game section, and I bet they have at least eight Spanish 21 tables. Maybe more.
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They actually had 10 Spanish 21 last time I was there, out of 40 total tables.
25% of their tables were Spanish 21!
I can't think of ANY other casino with even close to that percentage.
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