Moving out to play

Quote: ZenKinG

I cant be bothered with all of that. Going to live my life paying cash

Many hotels need a credit/debit card for deposit (no longer take cash).

Exactly, traveling without a credit card would be a major hassle. Renting cars,booking flights,hotels etc...
Not impossible but not easy.

Quote: ZenKinG

I never said I wouldn't. Might be something ill have to do. But with that comes risks, and ill have to make sure i get proof in writing, etc in case he sells his apartment or the owner dies and im left trying to convince them i paid already. Could lead to problems.

In real world, there is something called RECEIPT. Ask for one and you will be fine.

Being to stubborn and argumentative having an I know best attitude are not often good AP traits.

Moving to LV and taking on card counting with 53k may be enough, however, it isn't even close to having FK YOU money.

Being in debt isn't a good thing but having credit is.

I know some now successful AP's who wouldn't have made it without good credit.

Quote: mamat

Many hotels need a credit/debit card for deposit (no longer take cash).

This is very true actually. Some of them don't care if you can give a thousand dollar deposit. You can find ways around this if you get some friends on the inside but that takes time. You can always get one of those Credit Cards that you have to load with cash but take a fee every time you use it (FEES... hate them!). Some Casinos still don't ask for a deposit if your invited but few. Some still take Cash Deposits. I think Sam's Town last I was at a year or so ago took 50 dollars but it could be up to 100 now. Good News... Skyline Casino is going to have a Hotel Soon enough!! 51 rooms with 18 over sized suites! They have BJ on the weekends HA HA!! I bet they will take cash deposits and if you get chummy with them you might be able to live for free for longer than you think. Lots of options really.

I am sure your parents have a credit card or two? You should ask them to piggy back you on one of them if that is an option. If not... your first order of business might want to be to find some girl that you trust somewhat who has a job, credit, house or apartment etc. Now you move in with her. Not hard at all in this town. Next thing you do is tell her how much you love her and show it in many ways and start piggy backing off of her credit. Works every time. I am sure you know the game, start playing ball PLAYER!!

I just want you to get out here and start BALLING as these class of 2000 kids say! I want to read the next thread: I moved out to Vegas and.............

Quote: AxelWolf

Being to stubborn and argumentative having an I know best attitude are not often good AP traits.

Moving to LV and taking on card counting with 53k may be enough, however, it isn't even close to having FK YOU money.

Being in debt isn't a good thing but having credit is.

I know some now successful AP's who wouldn't have made it without good credit.

Ahhh the old F*** YOU Money statement. I love it!! I remember when the Bellagio opened up and a few smart guys found a machine that kept the credits on the machine when you cashed out... He He He.... they got themselves some F*** YOU MONEY but they also got 86'd as well :) !!

Highly Unethical and Immoral action in a casino and I Morally disapprove by the way!!

Oh and don't forget this problem ZenKinG lol!! .......... As Stated by Paigowdan about counting cards!

Quote: Paigowdan

CARD COUNTING IS SIMPLY DEAD AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
YOU CANNOT MAKE A F!#/ING DIME FROM IT - NO LESS A CAREER OR EVEN A PASTTIME TO BRAG ABOUT - EXCEPT HERE.
IT IS NOT REAL GAMBLING IF THE CASINO THROWS YOU OUT FOR IT - AND THEY CAN AND WILL.
THEY WILL THROW YOU OUT FOR WASTING YOUR TIME - NOT ONLY THEIRS.
IT IS NOT REAL ADVANCEMENT IN GAMING, IT IS ANCIENT.
LEARN POKER
LEARN DICE
LEARN PAI GOW
LEARN ANOTHER FREAKING GAME
LEARN HOW TO DESIGN A NEW CASINO GAME AND SELL IT
LEARN HOW TO DEAL
IF YOU COUNT CARDS, SHOW US THE MONEY, OR GET A LIFE

Quote: ZenKinG

I cant be bothered with all of that. Going to live my life paying cash

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I have 4 credit cards. But to me they are just tools to make life easier, as I don't use them for credit at all. They all get paid off in full each month with the click of a button from my checking account, which to me is my cash. So I get frequent flier miles (free airfare to Vegas), cash back, Caesars status which I couldn't qualify for by my meager gambling, and other offers for discounts as well. Frankly, if you are going to really be an AP, I can't imagine NOT APing credit cards. My ex wife is a master at it, going in and out of cards each year picking up a free 50000 miles from a multitude of airlines, then canceling before the free first year is up.

Quote: ZenKinG

This is not theoretical, im moving next month. Im not some little troll with no life that would keep this going for 24 pages long if i wasnt serious.

And yeah that's what i always told my dad, CASH is still KING. 99% of people will take cash straight up if you can make it happen and throw away all the credit bs. Dealerships, real estate brokers, anyone, you name it. CASH will always be KING.

F**k credit. If everyone adopted my style of thinking, america would still be king.

Where are my capitalists?

Car dealers hate cash transactions. They make far more money financing cars. They can upswell, they finance garbage like extended warranties and other stuff in. They get a kickback on the financing from the bank for anything they get you to agree on with rate above what the bank quoted them. Cash is not king, cash buyers think they deserve a better deal on already slim new car margins. Cash buyers are only good for customers with bad credit and even then they can usually f them into an overpriced used car with a high interest rate.

So yes, the dealers are the capitalists.

Quote: SOOPOO

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I have 4 credit cards. But to me they are just tools to make life easier, as I don't use them for credit at all. They all get paid off in full each month with the click of a button from my checking account, which to me is my cash. So I get frequent flier miles (free airfare to Vegas), cash back, Caesars status which I couldn't qualify for by my meager gambling, and other offers for discounts as well. Frankly, if you are going to really be an AP, I can't imagine NOT APing credit cards. My ex wife is a master at it, going in and out of cards each year picking up a free 50000 miles from a multitude of airlines, then canceling before the free first year is up.

This is very true. My wife and I don't fly so we use the cash back cards all the time earning money off of gas and what not. Honestly I love cash but because I can make 1.5 to 10% on my cash back... I use the CC's for everything... even if its only a buck or two. 10% back on certain things with the new discover card since you get 5% and after the first year you get double cash back. Cancel the card and get another in some other family members name of course.

Also if you can park 15k or more in a bank account you can move the money around all the time making 300 to 600 a year depending on what bank netting you another 2 or 3%.

Quote: AxelWolf

Being in debt isn't a good thing but having credit is.

Being in debt isn't a bad thing either. Debt is just paying someone else for the temporary use of their money. Paying someone for something you want is the fundamental premise of a capitalist economy, and interest rates or flat fees are just the way to affix a price to the use of someone's money. Obviously if someone lets you borrow money, you need to pay it back -- that's what "borrow" means. And it's reasonable to charge a price for that. Car rental companies don't rent cars for free. Money lenders don't lend money for free either.

If you can make better use of the money over the timeframe you're using it than the costs you incur then when the transaction is all said and done, you have more money than you started with. In other words, that's a successfully-leveraged investment.

If an AP has the ability to make 3% over a 2 day period on up to $100k in bankroll, but only has $50k, and the AP can get a $50k loan for 2 days from a loan shark at a cost of $500, taking the loan is an easy call. Either they make $1500 without the loan or make $2500 with the loan.

Thinking that "debt is bad" is a fundamental economic misunderstanding that, unfortunately, too many Americans share. If everyone learned to apply a little economic abstraction in their thinking, they'd realize that every transaction involves a debt. Whether that debt is settled immediately or later on is only a question of timing and the terms of the transaction. But look at what it says on your cash:

Ain't nobody got time for player edges over 1 percent and he's tired of all this hippie credit card talk. He wants to make a living counting cards like a true capitalist.

You are driving from the North East to Vegas next month?.
Which route will you be taking?

Cash is great if you don't mind dealing with people, such as negotiating rent upfront for the lease.

You'll make a lot more money in the long run with credit. What if a juicy play pops up away from Vegas?

As I'm not a black jack player - beyond casual play - I make this suggestion based solely on cost of living.

Consider the Gulf Coast area - primarily Mississippi. Rents/Mortgages are cheap compared to most other areas.

I would caution you - save money for hard times - and for retirement. $50k is a nice stash - but you should take a chunk of that and put it in a Roth IRA until you're making the big bucks, then switch to the traditional. But - that's just a gut level suggestion based on ...well, not much, other than remembering how I wish someone had given me the same advice years ago.

Quote: SOOPOO

Frankly, if you are going to really be an AP, I can't imagine NOT APing credit cards.

AP Bank accounts too. $100-300 (sometimes $500) for opening checking accounts, usually once/yr or once/6 months for each bank.

Same with brokerage accounts.

Use google for details.

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For loading debit cards,
(1) Look for ones with no monthly fee for 12+ months
(2) Longest expiration date.
(3) Purchase fee $4.99-6.99. Ideally during a sale, when if you purchase three $100 cards, they give you a $25 card free (which wipes out the purchase fees).

Sometime casino marketing gives $100 cards away for free to heavy players.

Quote: Boz

Car dealers hate cash transactions. They make far more money financing cars.

I always laugh at people that still think you can get a better price on a new car by paying cash. It is just the opposite.

In my business, I generally get a 3% discount for paying cash. However, I just got a new business card that gives 2% back on all purchases and a $500 statement credit if you spend $12,000 in the first three months. I've had it a week and spent almost $4,000. Unusual week, as I generally spend about $1200, but productive.

If your parents have good credit ask them to add you as an authorized user on one of their long running credit cards that they don't use or pay off all the time. You don't even need the card, they can keep it at home, but you'll still get the benefits of their good payment history. You can instantly get 20 years of good credit even if you're only 25 years old.

https://www.creditkarma.com/article/how-being-an-authorized-user-affects-credit

Quote: DRich

I always laugh at people that still think you can get a better price on a new car by paying cash. It is just the opposite.

Negotiate an increased rate over a longer term with an adjustment off the vehicle price. Buy the best warranty by negotiating with an adjustment off the vehicle price. Ask for some free tint and shit before your willing to sign your life away. Keep asking for more free shit to calm your nerves until you get a firm NO. Sign the papers and leave with a smiling finance office guy practically stroking you. Come back 48 hours later with a check or cash for the vehicle price. Cancel the warranty and this is the point the transaction becomes fun.... ;-)

You are not able to do this without credit. The best is when you rope a dope them with the purchase of two or more vehicles at the same time, during a heavy factory rebate program and free registration...;-)

Warning- They may lie to you and try to deny the ability to accept payment. You might get calls from the finance guy with a sob story that "his greed" led you to stealing food out of the mouths of his children, when his GM gets done with him. Go back in a few weeks for something minor and see how many smirks from the staff you receive. ;-)

Quote: MaxPen

Negotiate an increased rate over a longer term with an adjustment off the vehicle price. Buy the best warranty by negotiating with an adjustment off the vehicle price. Ask for some free tint and shit before your willing to sign your life away. Keep asking for more free shit to calm your nerves until you get a firm NO. Sign the papers and leave with a smiling finance office guy practically stroking you. Come back 48 hours later with a check or cash for the vehicle price. Cancel the warranty and this is the point the transaction becomes fun.... ;-)

You are not able to do this without credit. The best is when you rope a dope them with the purchase of two or more vehicles at the same time, during a heavy factory rebate program and free registration...;-)

Warning- They may lie to you and try to deny the ability to accept payment. You might get calls from the finance guy with a sob story that "his greed" led you to stealing food out of the mouths of his children, when his GM gets done with him. Go back in a few weeks for something minor and see how many smirks from the staff you receive. ;-)

Nicely Done!! I'm not worthy... I'm not worthy :) !!

My grandma was a pretty tough negotiator back in the day. She's been known to ask for another $500 off, get denied, and walk straight out the door without saying a word. Eventually, it worked. Finally figured out why it took her so damn long to buy a car.

MaxPen, next time I buy a car, might have you come along with me.

Quote: RS

My grandma was a pretty tough negotiator back in the day. She's been known to ask for another $500 off, get denied, and walk straight out the door without saying a word. Eventually, it worked. Finally figured out why it took her so damn long to buy a car.

MaxPen, next time I buy a car, might have you come along with me.

Biggest racket because people are saps. They fall in love with the car and have to have it. The willingness to walk away is your biggest asset and advantage. Though Max took it a step further with his idea, I love it and will try it next time.

Quote: billryan

Wizard World, of course.
pop quiz.
Which weighs more?
A pound of lead or a pound of silver?

Pound of lead. Silver pounds are in troy ounces.
And "getting the lead out" has a different meaning, particularly in hooker-filled Vegas.

Quote: mamat

Many hotels need a credit/debit card for deposit (no longer take cash).

Definitely. Even if they accept a cash deposit, any refund is often ... in the mail only and only from corportate headquarters, not us and takes 'x' weeks.

Having those little plastic cards can be a nuisance, but NOT having them is viewed as being suspicious. Its the old joke about some woman not being able to complete a transaction unti she showed ID and when she showed a letter addressed to her from a collection agency, that was perfectly acceptable.

Quote: FleaStiff

Definitely. Even if they accept a cash deposit, any refund is often ... in the mail only and only from corportate headquarters, not us and takes 'x' weeks.

Having those little plastic cards can be a nuisance, but NOT having them is viewed as being suspicious. Its the old joke about some woman not being able to complete a transaction unti she showed ID and when she showed a letter addressed to her from a collection agency, that was perfectly acceptable.

I have a debit card, never said i didnt.

Quote: billryan

You are driving from the North East to Vegas next month?.
Which route will you be taking?

Whatever google maps tells me.

Quote: ZenKinG

Whatever google maps tells me.

I suggest the northern route.

Yep, nothing like a Great Plains Blizzard.
I had planned on coming across up north and shooting down through Denver, but many of the passes were still snowbound. That was in May.

Actually on second thought, probably best to take the I-40 west through Oklahoma.

Well... since it is December you better go I-40 for sure. Kinda insane to go through Denver at this time of year and you coming in January or at least that is the idea. When I came the first time... I hitch hiked and it only took about 50 hours or so cause I got a long ride from a Truck Driver. Anyways... another story for another time. I really think that this thread has changed a long time ago. I do not think it is about the OP or his situation anymore. I think it is more about what to do if you should decide to come to Vegas and try to make a living in this town and how to go about it. I also think it is a collection of experiences from players who have been there and done that many times over. It would of been nice to have this thread when I was first starting out. Not that I would of listened to most of the advice but I would of realized that counting cards was only one way to make some dough. It didn't take me very long to figure it out once I started playing BJ because I realized even back in the 90s how much they watched the game and didn't like people playing long hours counting cards. Actually I didn't last very long at BJ after being put on the flat bet by Nick at the Shoe. I was back at the 10/20 Hold'em game in no time. It would of been nice to know about how strong machines were at that time since things were changing to TITO and Players Clubs were popping up all over the place. People were talking about Cherry Pies and Boom Machines and I was like ahhhh Fooey... I'm gonna be the best damn Poker Player in the World LOL !! Ahhh Youth!

There is an ongoing joke about people who move here with stars in their eyes thinking that they are going to come to Vegas and be something like James Bond playing Baccarat and drinking Martinis, or playing poker and winning the World Series. It goes something like... I came to Vegas to be a gambler and after a few years I realize I am not a gambler but a SCAMbler lol. This is because it won't be long till this new player realizes every day your doing pretty much the same thing and your trying to find mistakes and exploits all over the place and your trying to out run other players on some progressive or your running as many match plays or free bets that you can find. When you first get to town you think I can pay for everything on my own. I am going to win so much money it won't even matter. After a year or two or hopefully sooner you will have your hand out like the rest of us begging for everything the host or slot people or pit bosses can give you :) !

I see some red flags with the OP and the plan. The thing that sticks out to me is how long he is waiting to get out here and get things rolling. Usually in my life I find the people who are going to do something do it right away within 24 hrs of the idea being hatched in the brain. I know plenty of people who have told me for 10 years they are going to do something and still haven't done it. I am not saying this is going to be the OP's case but it really doesn't matter because like I said before this thread is more so about what to do when you move to Vegas or What would you Experienced Players do if you moved to Vegas today for the first time??

Quote: monet0412

What would you Experienced Players do if you moved to Vegas today for the first time??

With experience, I do Vegas for people-watching (beautiful women), great restaurants (both architecture & food), and fantastic Cirque du Soleil shows. Fun to stop by Vegas each year to see all the changes. WSOP is fun.

Easier places to make money. (Days of $300K/month slots are long gone...)

I have a Las Vegas trip planned for Dec 18 - Jan 3, but I'm not going to be trying to make a profit.
Even if I made a profit, the hourly rate would be much lower than many other areas.

On my last Las Vegas trip (25 days), I made +$137 after expenses ($5/day). ...it was a free vacation. :-)

Even 40 is subject to some crazy winter weather, especially the Texican panhandle and Oklahoma. I drove from Long Island to Vegas in four days, staying three nights in hotels. Cookville, Tenn, Buttfug Ok, and Gallup NM. My first two nights were cut short bu severe thunderstorms with tornado warnings. My last night, in Gallup, I woke up to two inches of snow, but it melted away by 8AM or so. In January, I'd look long and hard about heading down to 10 for the western part.

Quote: monet0412

Well... since it is December you better go I-40 for sure. Kinda insane to go through Denver at this time of year and you coming in January or at least that is the idea. When I came the first time... I hitch hiked and it only took about 50 hours or so cause I got a long ride from a Truck Driver. Anyways... another story for another time. I really think that this thread has changed a long time ago. I do not think it is about the OP or his situation anymore. I think it is more about what to do if you should decide to come to Vegas and try to make a living in this town and how to go about it. I also think it is a collection of experiences from players who have been there and done that many times over. It would of been nice to have this thread when I was first starting out. Not that I would of listened to most of the advice but I would of realized that counting cards was only one way to make some dough. It didn't take me very long to figure it out once I started playing BJ because I realized even back in the 90s how much they watched the game and didn't like people playing long hours counting cards. Actually I didn't last very long at BJ after being put on the flat bet by Nick at the Shoe. I was back at the 10/20 Hold'em game in no time. It would of been nice to know about how strong machines were at that time since things were changing to TITO and Players Clubs were popping up all over the place. People were talking about Cherry Pies and Boom Machines and I was like ahhhh Fooey... I'm gonna be the best damn Poker Player in the World LOL !! Ahhh Youth!

There is an ongoing joke about people who move here with stars in their eyes thinking that they are going to come to Vegas and be something like James Bond playing Baccarat and drinking Martinis, or playing poker and winning the World Series. It goes something like... I came to Vegas to be a gambler and after a few years I realize I am not a gambler but a SCAMbler lol. This is because it won't be long till this new player realizes every day your doing pretty much the same thing and your trying to find mistakes and exploits all over the place and your trying to out run other players on some progressive or your running as many match plays or free bets that you can find. When you first get to town you think I can pay for everything on my own. I am going to win so much money it won't even matter. After a year or two or hopefully sooner you will have your hand out like the rest of us begging for everything the host or slot people or pit bosses can give you :) !

I see some red flags with the OP and the plan. The thing that sticks out to me is how long he is waiting to get out here and get things rolling. Usually in my life I find the people who are going to do something do it right away within 24 hrs of the idea being hatched in the brain. I know plenty of people who have told me for 10 years they are going to do something and still haven't done it. I am not saying this is going to be the OP's case but it really doesn't matter because like I said before this thread is more so about what to do when you move to Vegas or What would you Experienced Players do if you moved to Vegas today for the first time??

Wow, totally forgot about the winter weather. I have so many things going through my mind i didnt even realize the winter weather out west LOL. Especially with my rear wheel drive car, i have no chance then. I might just get a UHAUL and a plane ticket and forget driving altogether, not worth the hassle and paying for a night in a hotel, etc. It would be a nice road trip though, so im kind of bummed out about that though, but i cant risk the winter weather and getting stuck. My car must be the worst out there for any snow, even with rain, it starts slipping.

Also regarding your post about not moving out right away, you're clearly wrong about that at least with me because the reason im still in my parents house and havent packed and gone is cause i want to spend christmas and new years with them and the rest of the family, uncle and cousins etc. I figured I might as well stay for one more holiday.

Will i-40 avoid most of the 'winter' states this time of year? I guess ill just have to check the weather in each state before i go and plan my route.

I wish I'd done the drive without my dog. There were many places I wanted to stop. I really wanted a Big Steak in Amarillo.

Don't forget to account for how much women will cost you. You said you are single without a job right? Regular women wont tolerate this scenario, so you must look into prostitutes.. they are not cheap in Vegas. Maybe find a cheap one for 200 a session I would assume.. how many times a month would you need this expense? Things to consider.

Quote: WatchMeWin

Don't forget to account for how much women will cost you. You said you are single without a job right? Regular women wont tolerate this scenario, so you must look into prostitutes.. they are not cheap in Vegas. Maybe find a cheap one for 200 a session I would assume.. how many times a month would you need this expense? Things to consider.

Internet's free, bruh.

Quote: mamat

Easier places to make money. (Days of $300K/month slots are long gone...)

So this what you guys are talking about with the "good old days"!

Yea there are much easier ways to make 3.6M a year in 2016! Hell almost everyone is doing it anymore compared to back then. Everyone who has 28 million just sitting in a Index fund made 3.6 this year.

Thanks for the tip!

Quote: RS

Internet's free, bruh.

Well if that's what works for you,, then god bless your soul..bruh!

Wait, so the plan is no car now? Not a fan of that. I don't get what you mean by U-Haul and a plane ticket? Plane ticket to go back so you can drive out in the spring?

I think OP needs to make a new detailed post of his plans with all the added info he's gotten from this thread.

Quote: ZenKinG

Will i-40 avoid most of the 'winter' states this time of year? I guess ill just have to check the weather in each state before i go and plan my route.

On my first trip to Vegas in Jan 1996, we had a rain storm come through on I-40 in the Texas panhandle. Once the sun went down, the temps dropped, and eventually the highway iced-over. That was a scary sight passing big rigs spinning their wheels and rolling backwards down the hills!

Quote: billryan

In January, I'd look long and hard about heading down to 10 for the western part.

I'd vote for the I-10 route, as well!

I haven't seen anyone mention New Mexico and Flagstaff. It can get dicey over there too at this time of year!

Detour all the way to I-10 and come up through Phoenix will cost you more gas and time :(
If I was going to do it I'd sell the car and buy another one out here. Your gonna be rolling in the dough anyways!

Might be better to live rent free with the parents till Summer lol. It sounds like your mom and pops aren't too keen on you moving to Vegas to pursue a Card Counting career after all that time, money and energy it took to raise you and put you in a good school and get a degree and all that jazz!

Please post photos along the way, if indeed you are truly doing as you say. I have such an image of your entire episode and I would love to see it come to life. You should do a reality feed on youtube with respect to your journey!

And don't forget weed for the long trip.

Quote: Boz

And don't forget weed for the long trip.

Ya you might as well be high while the cops civil forfeiture your entire bankroll.

"You don't understand, mister! I'm a professional gambler!" Cop: "lol"

Now that was funny RogerKint! lol

Quote: WatchMeWin

Don't forget to account for how much women will cost you. You said you are single without a job right? Regular women wont tolerate this scenario, so you must look into prostitutes.. they are not cheap in Vegas. Maybe find a cheap one for 200 a session I would assume.. how many times a month would you need this expense? Things to consider.

Nah.

It's not too difficult to find a girl friend, especially if one's standards aren't the highest.

Until he does, he'll undoubtedly visit Rosie.

Quote: monet0412

I haven't seen anyone mention New Mexico and Flagstaff. It can get dicey over there too at this time of year!

Detour all the way to I-10 and come up through Phoenix will cost you more gas and time :(
If I was going to do it I'd sell the car and buy another one out here. Your gonna be rolling in the dough anyways!

Might be better to live rent free with the parents till Summer lol. It sounds like your mom and pops aren't too keen on you moving to Vegas to pursue a Card Counting career after all that time, money and energy it took to raise you and put you in a good school and get a degree and all that jazz!

Getting stuck in a Tejas ice storm will cost more time.
As an East Coast flatlander, I was shocked how elevation affects weather and road conditions. As an example, last January , I left Laughlin in shorts to meet up with a friend who lives just north of Kingman. It was in the 70s. Hit snow on the road in the pass between Bulkhead and Golden Valley. By the time I got to Kingman, it was heavy flurries and when I got to my friends place it was all out snowing. Thirty miles distance.
When the highest point in the NYC area is only about 400 feet above sea level, you don't experience that. No snowlines out there.

Quote: RogerKint

Ya you might as well be high while the cops civil forfeiture your entire bankroll.

"You don't understand, mister! I'm a professional gambler!" Cop: "lol"

That's why I recommended hitting the I-40 West in Oklahoma.

Quote: BTLWI

Wait, so the plan is no car now? Not a fan of that. I don't get what you mean by U-Haul and a plane ticket? Plane ticket to go back so you can drive out in the spring?

I think OP needs to make a new detailed post of his plans with all the added info he's gotten from this thread.

UHAUL meaning have a towing/moving company tow my car cross country, but after doing the math, I'm going to risk it and drive. Towing it would be around $800 to do that from NJ to Vegas + plane ticket $700, potentially looking at about $1500 right there. If I drive it's about 2500 miles at 25 miles highway/gallon so about 100 gallons in gas at about 2.50 avg gas price per gallon(rough estimate nationwide) is about $250 in gas + a night in a motel about maybe lets just say about 50 a night, that's only $300. So by driving im saying $1200 right off the bat. Of course im killing my car with mileage and probably losing about $500 off the resell price, but even with that considered im still saving about $700 after all things considered.

Looks like im driving folks. Bring on the snow.

Quote: ZenKinG

UHAUL meaning have a towing/moving company tow my car cross country, but after doing the math, I'm going to risk it and drive. Towing it would be around $800 to do that from NJ to Vegas + plane ticket $700, potentially looking at about $1500 right there. If I drive it's about 2500 miles at 25 miles highway/gallon so about 100 gallons in gas at about 2.50 avg gas price per gallon(rough estimate nationwide) is about $250 in gas + a night in a motel about maybe lets just say about 50 a night, that's only $300. So by driving im saying $1200 right off the bat. Of course im killing my car with mileage and probably losing about $500 off the resell price, but even with that considered im still saving about $700 after all things considered.

Looks like im driving folks. Bring on the snow.

Brilliant way to save $700.

/sarcasm