88 vs A
After split, and for the second hand, if dealt a 3, should I double down? What is such EV?
Quote: vulnerableDouble after split allowed. Original bet lost only if dealer BJ.
After split, and for the second hand, if dealt a 3, should I double down? What is such EV?
This Wizard's page helps find your answer. (Use "dealer peeks at hole card" section.)
The strategy depends on whether or not the dealer hits soft 17. Also, the number of decks affects the EV.
The trick in this question is that, if I double down on the second hand which is 8+3, and in case dealer BJ, BOTH the bets of the second hand will be returned. In other words, this specific hand is a PUSH if dealer BJ.
So what's the call?
Quote: zak.youngI already answered your question. You just hit. We wouldn't even be entertaining the notion if you were playing in a ENHC, but in a OBO game (original bet only) such as you have described, hitting is still slightly higher in expected value than doubling.
Before being convinced that hitting is still slightly higher in EV in this situation (dealer BJ is a push), do you have specific figures about this? I cannot find it anywhere on the web.
Thanks a lot.
Let me start all over again.
Rules: S17, ENHC, 6 decks, OBO
Situation: 88 vs A, not counting
After splitting, hand A gets 8+3. I understand that the odds favours hitting by BS.
If hand B also gets 8+3, situation would be different from hand A.
Since if I double on hand A, the original bet will be lost if dealer BJ and that's why the odds favours hitting.
If I double on hand B, both bets of hand B will not be lost if dealer BJ. And so I assume the ev would be different from hand A if I double down instead of hitting.
You see my point?
Thanks anyway for your reply.
Quote: zak.youngA game cannot be ENHC & OBO.
Well I have played a game that was no hole card and you only lost original bet on splits and doubles, so what would you call that?
Quote: zak.youngA game cannot be ENHC & OBO.
This game is fairly common in Asian region, especially Macao. You may go check out wizardofmacau
Quote: IbeatyouracesIf you aren't counting and the game is S17 and you only lose original bets to a dealer blackjack, you only hit 8,3 vs A. Splitting doesn't change this. How hard is this to comprehend??
After splitting, if the first hand is 8,3, I can understand that the odds favour hitting.
But for the second hand 8,3, I won't lose anything doubling down if dealer BJ.
So the ev are different for these 2 hands (although they both are 8,3), and thus may be treated differently. Am I correct?
Quote: vulnerableAfter splitting, if the first hand is 8,3, I can understand that the odds favour hitting.
But for the second hand 8,3, I won't lose anything doubling down if dealer BJ.
So the ev are different for these 2 hands (although they both are 8,3), and thus may be treated differently. Am I correct?
You also wouldn't lose in a standard game either as you wouldn't get the chance if a dealer has a blackjack. You hit instead of doubling because it's more valuable. We already know the dealer doesn't have a blackjack, even after splitting. Just because you get a chance before the dealer draws a hole card makes no difference. Again, without counting, you HIT 8,3 (or any 11 for that matter) against an ace in a multiple deck S17 game.
Quote: IbeatyouracesYou also wouldn't lose in a standard game either as you wouldn't get the chance if a dealer has a blackjack. You hit instead of doubling because it's more valuable. We already know the dealer doesn't have a blackjack, even after splitting. Just because you get a chance before the dealer draws a hole card makes no difference. Again, without counting, you HIT 8,3 (or any 11 for that matter) against an ace in a multiple deck S17 game.
What I really can't understand is that I should treat both 8,3 split hands the same way, although the result would be different if dealer BJ. Or the ev still favours hitting instead of doubling if dealer BJ is a push (for the second split hand)?
Quote: vulnerableWhat I really can't understand is that I should treat both 8,3 split hands the same way, although the result would be different if dealer BJ. Or the ev still favours hitting instead of doubling if dealer BJ is a push (for the second split hand)?
No they wouldn't be different. No different than a standard HC game. If the dealer has a bj in either, you only lose the original wager that was made before any cards were dealt.
You're making the assumption that doubling on the second 11 can't lose. It very well can if the dealer does not get a bj and still gets a higher total than the doubled 11.
you are a f!#/ing idiot. why even ask questions if you're just going to ignore the answers given?
Quote: zak.young"This game is fairly common in Asian region, especially Macao. You may go check out wizardofmacau"
you are a f!#/ing idiot. why even ask questions if you're just going to ignore the answers given?
Personal insult. Add 7 days to your current ban. Warning: this is a PG board. Mask your swears if you must say them.
And, no, he's not an idiot. He's asking a very specific question and you're talking past each other.
