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4 votes (25%)
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dajakesta
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October 7th, 2016 at 11:44:50 PM permalink
Hi guys what's the best game for my 100 dollar bankroll? I made a poll up there and the game mins will be written down here. I'm looking for a game with a low bankroll volatility and I'm also looking for the best chances of winning. I know these two kinda contradict each other so I'm probably trying to find middle ground

blackjack/freebet: 10 min
2d blackjack: 25 min
baccarat: 25min
3cp: 5 min
4cp: 5 min
uth: 5 min
texas holdem bonus: 10 min
fast action holdem: 5 min
craps: 5 min
slots: penny, quarter or dollar doesn't matter.
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October 8th, 2016 at 12:17:13 AM permalink
Video poker
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October 8th, 2016 at 1:03:52 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

Video poker

Yes, one coin on a low denomination machine will last longest, but not a lot of fun. Winning not probable. BJ with good rules and using basic strategy is the best chance of success, but with $100 you could easily be broke in a few minutes at a $10 table.
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October 8th, 2016 at 6:15:30 AM permalink
Pai Gow Poker takes more time to resolve the bets, and 40% of the hands result in pushes.

People can certainly lose a half dozen hands in a row, and be busted in 10 minutes, its just not that terribly likely
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October 8th, 2016 at 7:40:10 AM permalink
Quote: dajakesta

Hi guys what's the best game for my 100 dollar bankroll? I made a poll up there and the game mins will be written down here. I'm looking for a game with a low bankroll volatility and I'm also looking for the best chances of winning. I know these two kinda contradict each other so I'm probably trying to find middle ground

blackjack/freebet: 10 min
2d blackjack: 25 min
baccarat: 25min
3cp: 5 min
4cp: 5 min
uth: 5 min
texas holdem bonus: 10 min
fast action holdem: 5 min
craps: 5 min
slots: penny, quarter or dollar doesn't matter.



What do the times indicate?

If it is longevity and low volatility, consider sports betting.

What is your definition of a "win"? To be up any amount? To double your C-note?
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dajakesta
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October 8th, 2016 at 8:35:47 AM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

What do the times indicate?

If it is longevity and low volatility, consider sports betting.

What is your definition of a "win"? To be up any amount? To double your C-note?



doubling the bankroll and work from there on is a good choice
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October 8th, 2016 at 8:49:23 AM permalink
As mentioned, Pai Gow is the best answer (if available, you don't list it, no Asians in the area?). As you said, low volatility and "chance to win" (aka variance) are contradictory.

Penny slots are good for pure enjoyment and time wasting, but just know you're paying for all of those flashing lights.

When I have really bad craps sessions, as in losing more than I want, I go to pai gow and penny slots to waste the time. VP is only the right choice if you have good quarter VP near you. 7-5 JoB without a royal or 4oak will feel like a slot machine.

Quote: Ayecarumba

What do the times indicate?



They're minimums.
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October 8th, 2016 at 9:51:21 AM permalink
Video Poker (Double Double Bonus) could work, I usually break even playing 1 unit on comp points or asking for points after a loss; some decent wins.

Most of these I would avoid.

Baccarat is where I go for a shot at a quick recovery when I lose all but $100 or so of my buy in (if I buy in for $300.)

Craps could work, good shot with $44 inside until 1 hit; then regress. Or $110 inside, then regress (if you increase slightly and are willing to risk it all for 1 roll.)
One of my best streaks was $10 to $900, leaving with $700. I bet $5 on the 5 and 9 on a lady using dice control and used winnings to bet other numbers, then press, then collect and down at $135. Did this with myself and two controlled shooters on the table and won most of the session. I wish I had a DC team, most rolls go well on nights with most shooters using DC and I have cleaned up each time.

I was down $200 at $10 single deck blackjack at El Cortez (flat betting, no good counts and the dealer ran hot), went to craps and made $207 in 4 hands with the dice. Just quit after you make $4000 or so, that seems to be where the streaks end in craps starting with $100 (all of my best streaks, start at $100 or so and finish around $4k.)

Regular poker would work well, a table of tourists and a $1/$2 table; you just wait till you have the good cards. I hate how a good hand makes $3 at these tables (all fold on a $6 bet to get things started) and a decent hand gets called and loses $100+. But, if the table is full of tourists (maybe PH or Venetian after the clubs let out) you can make some real money. I like buying in for $100, since I rarely win more than $200 in a hand, but I've been called all in and had a $500 decision with $200 already in it; on a 60% chance (but if he's all in, it's not like UTH; he probably has something strong that changes that/ or is bluffing.)

Poker is probably the winner, my grandfather had a box with $200 and he said if he ever lost it he'd quit gambling forever; but he never did and it was always growing. I have learned some discipline, but that takes the cake. His games were Draw poker (his poker buddies were a judge and the Gainesville mayor) and single deck blackjack, he didn't live to see these games go away.
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October 8th, 2016 at 10:31:29 AM permalink
pai gow poker minimum 25 dollars
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October 8th, 2016 at 7:27:13 PM permalink
Quote: dajakesta

Hi guys what's the best game for my 100 dollar bankroll? I made a poll up there and the game mins will be written down here. I'm looking for a game with a low bankroll volatility and I'm also looking for the best chances of winning. I know these two kinda contradict each other so I'm probably trying to find middle ground

blackjack/freebet: 10 min
2d blackjack: 25 min
baccarat: 25min
3cp: 5 min
4cp: 5 min
uth: 5 min
texas holdem bonus: 10 min
fast action holdem: 5 min
craps: 5 min
slots: penny, quarter or dollar doesn't matter.



D - I've only had 2 nights playing a couple of hours of Ultimate X - besides VP Deuces Are Wild (my fav) there are at least 5 or 6 more choices of games to play multi-row games.

It seems to be a relatively new game, and you might not find it on the main floor in downtown casinos, but near the bars (like at The Cal). Cesar's Palace had it in the main walkway near the food court. I say "relatively new" because few of the casino staff even new WHERE it was, much less explain how to play. But physically, all the buttons worked, the glass was shiny, etc.

I need to acknowledge a fellow poster, "Dieter", who had suggested I try this. THANKS, DIETER!

In my 2 nights, with small sessions ($20 and $50), I hit Wild Royal Flush at least 7 times (100 credit) payout. Yes, single level VP for DW pays 125 for WRF, but I don't think you'll see that 7 times in 2 nights. The other payout line is 15/10 for Full House/Flush (I could be wrong, I was too excited with my win to care). I don't have enough experience to discuss volatility, but yes, even this game has ups and downs. The more experienced forum posters could talk more about stats and volatility.

My wins were small, but so enjoyed! See more details in a future TR I'm still writing.

Good luck with your $100.

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October 8th, 2016 at 7:27:13 PM permalink
Quote: dajakesta

Hi guys what's the best game for my 100 dollar bankroll? I made a poll up there and the game mins will be written down here. I'm looking for a game with a low bankroll volatility and I'm also looking for the best chances of winning. I know these two kinda contradict each other so I'm probably trying to find middle ground

blackjack/freebet: 10 min
2d blackjack: 25 min
baccarat: 25min
3cp: 5 min
4cp: 5 min
uth: 5 min
texas holdem bonus: 10 min
fast action holdem: 5 min
craps: 5 min
slots: penny, quarter or dollar doesn't matter.



D - I've only had 2 nights playing a couple of hours of Ultimate X - besides VP Deuces Are Wild (my fav) there are at least 5 or 6 more choices of games to play multi-row games.

It seems to be a relatively new game, and you might not find it on the main floor in downtown casinos, but near the bars (like at The Cal). Cesar's Palace had it in the main walkway near the food court. I say "relatively new" because few of the casino staff even new WHERE it was, much less explain how to play. But physically, all the buttons worked, the glass was shiny, etc.

I need to acknowledge a fellow poster, "Dieter", who had suggested I try this. THANKS, DIETER!

In my 2 nights, with small sessions ($20 and $50), I hit Wild Royal Flush at least 7 times (100 credit) payout. Yes, single level VP for DW pays 125 for WRF, but I don't think you'll see that 7 times in 2 nights. The other payout line is 15/10 for Full House/Flush (I could be wrong, I was too excited with my win to care). I don't have enough experience to discuss volatility, but yes, even this game has ups and downs. The more experienced forum posters could talk more about stats and volatility.

My wins were small, but so enjoyed! See more details in a future TR I'm still writing.

Good luck with your $100.

LW
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October 9th, 2016 at 9:47:02 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu


They're minimums.



Hehe.. I thought it might be the minimum amount of time the OP wanted to play...
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October 9th, 2016 at 9:51:36 AM permalink
Daj, with only $100 stay away from carnival games. If you play those you will be done in 15 minutes. Unless of course you get lucky and get a str flush or FH.

With $100 you should stick to either $5 bj or .25 single line JoB. You might get an hours worth of play on $100
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October 9th, 2016 at 12:57:01 PM permalink
Quote: LostWages

D - I've only had 2 nights playing a couple of hours of Ultimate X - besides VP Deuces Are Wild (my fav) there are at least 5 or 6 more choices of games to play multi-row games.

It seems to be a relatively new game, and you might not find it on the main floor in downtown casinos, but near the bars (like at The Cal). Cesar's Palace had it in the main walkway near the food court. I say "relatively new" because few of the casino staff even new WHERE it was, much less explain how to play. But physically, all the buttons worked, the glass was shiny, etc.

I need to acknowledge a fellow poster, "Dieter", who had suggested I try this. THANKS, DIETER!

In my 2 nights, with small sessions ($20 and $50), I hit Wild Royal Flush at least 7 times (100 credit) payout. Yes, single level VP for DW pays 125 for WRF, but I don't think you'll see that 7 times in 2 nights. The other payout line is 15/10 for Full House/Flush (I could be wrong, I was too excited with my win to care). I don't have enough experience to discuss volatility, but yes, even this game has ups and downs. The more experienced forum posters could talk more about stats and volatility.

My wins were small, but so enjoyed! See more details in a future TR I'm still writing.

Good luck with your $100.

LW



Ultimate X has been around for nearly the entire decade. Downtown is just way behind the times.

I also wouldn't recommend this game if low volatility is an important goal.

For VP, playing low volatility games like Jacks or Bonus without "gimmicks" would be better. Preferably for nickels or less if he really wants to last long. Betting 1 quarter (99.58%) at the full pay Pick 'em games (99.95% max bet) at Fremont would make 100 bucks last awhile too.
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October 9th, 2016 at 2:36:01 PM permalink
See, I'm going to disagree with everybody else.

First off, in your poll you lump THB with uth. Big mistake in my experience, especially at different minimums. One is a ploppy sucker. The other is a great game with excellent he and opportunity.

1. Learn the optimal strategy. Learn it again. Add on shacks kicker play. Learn the little things about both. Then play, not before. You will be shocked at how many people don't play optimally . Most underbetting, but many over valuing their hand vs a fold as well.

2. Don't play any sidebets. You don't have the br right now.

3. Play minimums. The strategy forces you to be aggressive on good hands, not speculative.

4. Get in as early as strategy dictates. It only has you doing that when your hand has more than a 50% chance of winning, so you need those extra odds against folds and dealer non-qualified hands, where you don't get the ante paid.

5. Should be no guessing on fold. Do it when indicated, stay in when indicated. Strategy for both includes the cost of losing the blind on a fold, as well as all 3 bets on a loss.

I made 100 last over 2 hours just last week doing this, and was mostly above 100. Peak was +350. No blind bonuses above 3/1. Typical for me. So I find this to be an enjoyable way to gamble. YMMV.
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October 9th, 2016 at 5:01:49 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Ultimate X has been around for nearly the entire decade. Downtown is just way behind the times.

I also wouldn't recommend this game if low volatility is an important goal.

For VP, playing low volatility games like Jacks or Bonus without "gimmicks" would be better. Preferably for nickels or less if he really wants to last long. Betting 1 quarter (99.58%) at the full pay Pick 'em games (99.95% max bet) at Fremont would make 100 bucks last awhile too.



Oi! Triglomane - I'm so used to $0.25 play, I've since forgotten about nickel play or dime play. For that matter, even The Cal still has the Penny Lane!

I guess with UX, I also wanted to add some element of excitement to an otherwise probably quick journey of D's $100.

Nevertheless, thanks for the reminder & refresher!

Next person who posts, do ask D, our original OP, to define "best" in terms of $ amounts, perhaps? 10% interest on $100 bank deposit is "good"? But it's a long wait for those $10. . . but next to 0 volatility unless a major world catastrophic event. Thanks!

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October 9th, 2016 at 9:17:55 PM permalink
I got asked what I don't like about thb, so here's a fwiw.

1. I don't like the only odds bet being on your hole cards, not the hand you make. I want value for good poker hands. I sure as heck don't want to waste a royal on this game.

2. You must bet 2x ante just to stay in, which means you almost never know whether you're betting value. Then you can back off and check to the end if the flop isn't good for you, yes, but to me that 2x required there is a money suck, not an advantage element for the player.

3. The mandatory blind bet only gets paid for a straight or better, but only 1:1 for that or better. Again, not the table to get your royal. Contrast with HCF, PGP, and especially UTH, for essentially the same hand within 7 cards.

So, not my game. Don't like the structure.
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October 9th, 2016 at 9:50:45 PM permalink
I wouldn't play ANY table game. BJ just doesn't work--small house edge, but few better-than-even-money payoffs. Most likely result--leave the table down $50 after a few hours, bored. Carny poker-based games: they all require, as a practical matter, minimum bets of $15 or more (since you are essentially FORCED to increase your bet more often than not), and move relatively quickly, so you could have that $100 vanish in fifteen minutes. Craps has the same objection--it moves too fast to be able to stretch out $100 very far.

I think the answer is obvious. .05 video poker is the way to go. You can find a lot of 99%+ games if you look around, and if you want to play some goofy gimmick game like STP, you still should be OK at the nickel level. Plus, unlike the games listed above, there's a reasonable chance for a big score.
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October 9th, 2016 at 11:08:14 PM permalink
Single line 1¢ VP, one credit per hand.
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October 9th, 2016 at 11:30:52 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Single line 1¢ VP, one credit per hand.

what's the minimum Footbll bet? That my be good value if yout bet the min on a parlay with a +EV bet . Then sit on an E roulette machine in view of the FB games.

Pretend you are making bets on roulette and get free drinks.
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October 10th, 2016 at 12:18:19 AM permalink
I think so!
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October 10th, 2016 at 6:12:07 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

See, I'm going to disagree with everybody else.

First off, in your poll you lump THB with uth. Big mistake in my experience, especially at different minimums. One is a ploppy sucker. The other is a great game with excellent he and opportunity.

1. Learn the optimal strategy. Learn it again. Add on shacks kicker play. Learn the little things about both. Then play, not before. You will be shocked at how many people don't play optimally . Most underbetting, but many over valuing their hand vs a fold as well.

2. Don't play any sidebets. You don't have the br right now.

3. Play minimums. The strategy forces you to be aggressive on good hands, not speculative.

4. Get in as early as strategy dictates. It only has you doing that when your hand has more than a 50% chance of winning, so you need those extra odds against folds and dealer non-qualified hands, where you don't get the ante paid.

5. Should be no guessing on fold. Do it when indicated, stay in when indicated. Strategy for both includes the cost of losing the blind on a fold, as well as all 3 bets on a loss.

I made 100 last over 2 hours just last week doing this, and was mostly above 100. Peak was +350. No blind bonuses above 3/1. Typical for me. So I find this to be an enjoyable way to gamble. YMMV.

I agree with everything you said, Babs, except volatility might make very quick work of that $100. I've made $100 last at the UTH table, but I have also lost a $100 bill lightning quick. It only takes a few 4x bets to go sideways, and you're through.

One thing that would make $100 last a while would be to go to the craps table and play the Pass Line (or Don't Pass) only -- no odds, no place bets and certainly no prop bets. If you are fortunate enough to find yourself up after a few winning bets, you can start adding 1x odds to the line bet. This would be a slow way to play -- excruciating for some -- but you'd be in the game every roll, and you will most likely last quite a while.

This would also take discipline to not make extra bets on those long rolls where it seems everyone except you is making money hand-over-fist!
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