"Well, somebody has to hit."
I have a "bust card" showing and everyone at the table has stiff hands, and the players will all insist that somebody HAS to take a card. Where did this myth come from?
I have searched the internet to no avail. Perhaps somebody here knows the answer?
lol ploppies win/lose 1 hand at some point because of something like this and then they just keep shouting it and other ploppies tag along. That's how most of them get started.
Whenever a dealer says "the book says . . . . . . . "
WRONG!
I had a friend who has a master's degree in statistics argue with me several times that the 3rd base player can make certain decisions that improve the odds of the rest of the table although they would make his odds worse. I don't even remember what his argument was but I tried to explain to him that it was bunk - sure, you can describe a situation where the 3rd base player taking a hit he didn't really want caused the dealer to bust and he would have made a hand otherwise. But it's all in retrospect, and I can describe the same situation in reverse.
I think I finally convinced him.
Quote: HowManyDealers are the biggest ploppys of all, in my experience.
Whenever a dealer says "the book says . . . . . . . "
WRONG!
Maybe at most casinos, but everyone where I work understands that good advice equals better tips, so we pride ourselves on being right with these calls. If we're ever unsure what Michael's chart says, we call for the floor to look it up for us.
Quote: AcesAndEightsYou'd be amazed how many otherwise smart people don't understand how hand interactions and blackjack work.
I had a friend who has a master's degree in statistics argue with me several times that the 3rd base player can make certain decisions that improve the odds of the rest of the table (...)
I think I finally convinced him.
Does he have next-card information?
Just use the line I use:Quote: HowManyWhenever [someone] says
"the book says....."
"I'm friends with the author."
Quote: DieterDoes he have next-card information?Quote: AcesAndEights
You'd be amazed how many otherwise smart people don't understand how hand interactions and blackjack work.
I had a friend who has a master's degree in statistics argue with me several times that the 3rd base player can make certain decisions that improve the odds of the rest of the table (...)
I think I finally convinced him.
I knew that would come up and I forgot to put a disclaimer in my story: no, no next-card information in play here. He was arguing this point based on normal information (no hole card, no next card).
Quote: DeucekiesMaybe at most casinos, but everyone where I work understands that good advice equals better tips, so we pride ourselves on being right with these calls. If we're ever unsure what Michael's chart says, we call for the floor to look it up for us.
In some jurisdictions a dealer can not give advice until the hand is over. That's what a dealer told me ?
Quote: ziadymfIn some jurisdictions a dealer can not give advice until the hand is over. That's what a dealer told me ?
I believe that's Colorado, yes. There, a dealer cannot give advice, even when asked. A horrible rule, in my opinion, since so much of a dealer's job involves customer service. Washington has no such rule, thankfully.
...wow, that's real. I thought it was just hog wash some dealer made up because they were lied to by their casino so they wouldn't have to give any kind of BS advice. That's an awful law. I guess it perhaps makes 'some' players go out an retroactively seek basic strategy?Quote: DeucekiesI believe that's Colorado, yes. There, a dealer cannot give advice, even when asked. A horrible rule, in my opinion, since so much of a dealer's job involves customer service. Washington has no such rule, thankfully.
Quote: Romes...wow, that's real. I thought it was just hog wash some dealer made up because they were lied to by their casino so they wouldn't have to give any kind of BS advice. That's an awful law.
And when they give advice, correct or not, and the player loses and causes an uproar, who's going to be blamed? This is why I never give advice.
I try not to advise. If 'pressed into service' by another player, I usually begin by saying "if you do this or that 10,000 times it will work out out like 'this', which has almost nothing to do with THIS particular hand, YOU have a decision to make now, and you are slowing down the game, NOW". They usually don't ask me again ;-)Quote: IbeatyouracesAnd when they give advice, correct or not, and the player loses and causes an uproar, who's going to be blamed? This is why I never give advice.
It's sort of like saying " if we all need to vote on how you play your hand, each hand, then I'm playing at the wrong table" ;-)
<edit > Now many times, I've had other players on a low limit table when I've got a big bet out ask me how I would like for them to play their hand. Very polite of them to ask I think. Still, my advice tends to be " go with your gut, I'll worry about my hand". I don't like to give advice......
They're even funnier when the first card out is a 10!
The 3rd base must not take a card because he will take on of the dealer's high cards that will bust him (it is assumed that the next 2 cards are high).
Like you play 3 base and god forbid you Double S18 v 6 (which everyone on the table believes is nuts) and you have the efefct of the dealer not busting, you get a lot of 'hostility' from the ploppies.
Question. Does anyone think they should factor their play based on the idiot (bad term, replace with uninformed) player either before or after you? Really? .. Ha, ha, ha, ha & etc.. Tee hee....Quote: AceTwoIt's exactly the Opposite supestition in European (No Hole cards) games.
The 3rd base must not take a card because he will take on of the dealer's high cards that will bust him (it is assumed that the next 2 cards are high).
Like you play 3 base and god forbid you Double S18 v 6 (which everyone on the table believes is nuts) and you have the efefct of the dealer not busting, you get a lot of 'hostility' from the ploppies.
Quote: Romes...wow, that's real. I thought it was just hog wash some dealer made up because they were lied to by their casino so they wouldn't have to give any kind of BS
That's always possible. Casinos love making house rules and calling them laws so they don't have to defend themselves. I'm pretty sure the dealer who mentioned it here, who is a friend of mine, cited the Colorado law one time though.
Quote: FlavorDaveOkay, so nobody really knows. Thanks. :)
Sorry, no definitive answer for your original question. Can't say I've ever heard anyone insist that was a rule. Sounds like a superstition misheard by another player down the table and repeated as a fact kind of thing. You know, "C'mon, guys, SOMEbody has to hit their hand, or the dealer will get a card that will bust all of us!" becomes, "Hey, I thought someone HAD to hit their hand".
