How often does the dealer bust ?

How often does the dealer bust in blackjack with a 6 shoe deck ?

Quote: standfordgrays

How often does the dealer bust in blackjack with a 6 shoe deck ?

At least once.

Quote: Dodsferd

At least once.

Not always...;-(

About 28% of the time.

Dealer busting frequency also changes based on # of spots being played and even the strategy one employs. This is taking into account the fact the dealer CANNOT bust if everyone on the table has already busted, surrendered, or gotten a blackjack. This is likely not what the OP was asking (or at least, this level of precision or w/e), but in case this has something to do with whatever it is you're trying to figure out -- it's out there.

The simple answer is....not enough! :-)

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The simple answer is....not enough! :-)

Which begs the question why don't more properties install the "Bust It" Side-Bet?

I find it an amusing suck... er, side bet that doesn't depend on which seat you have like Lucky Ladies, BJ +3 or MTD.

Trump Taj in AC is the only property I know of that currently has it, and those tables are almost always full on weekends.

I guess cause it yields more players to stand on hard 14-16 vs dealer 7-10? Or maybe because the dealer sometimes still has to draw cards even if the player busts out first?

Quote: BedWetterBetter

Which begs the question why don't more properties install the "Bust It" Side-Bet?

I find it an amusing suck... er, side bet that doesn't depend on which seat you have like Lucky Ladies, BJ +3 or MTD.

Trump Taj in AC is the only property I know of that currently has it, and those tables are almost always full on weekends.

I guess cause it yields more players to stand on hard 14-16 vs dealer 7-10? Or maybe because the dealer sometimes still has to draw cards even if the player busts out first?

I have never played the bust it side bet but I would assume they continued the dealers hand if everyones hand is over? If that is the case then it would slow the game tremendously which may be a reason you don't see more of it.

I don`t think it would slow the game very much.Maybe with one or two players, but on a nearly full table how often would every player have already busted out so that the dealer doesn`t complete their hand?

Never when i go big, Always after i lose everything and watch the next hand

Quote: Hunterhill

I don`t think it would slow the game very much.Maybe with one or two players, but on a nearly full table how often would every player have already busted out so that the dealer doesn`t complete their hand?

But casino execs are stupid. They see it as slowing it down. Of course I have no idea if that is the reason, just my speculation.

Assuming the dealer plays out his hand, H17,

1 deck: 28.749%
2 decks: 28.644%
6 decks: 28.576%
8 decks: 28.567%
Infinite: 28.542%

Maybe I'm missing something about BTD, but there are a lot of jurisdictions (and certainly a lot of players) that would have an objection to a bet that can be placed and not won because the dealer doesn't play out their hand. If the bet doesn't depend on the players' hand value, only the dealer's, then the sidebet HE has been calculated based on the dealer's chances of busting. It couldn't be evaluated on a guess of how many people are playing, a factor which would change the odds of no live hand by the time the dealer's hand is in play.

Disqualifying/taking that sidebet by default would skew the HE considerably in the house's favor, especially during head-to-head play. I would guess that element (rather than requiring the dealer to play out the hand if ANY player bet the BTD, regardless of their hand's fate) would cause a regulatory nightmare and stop the bet from being offered. JMHO. But that problem has changed several games, like UTH (if you bet the trips, when you fold your cards get tucked and evaluated for bonus wins, rather than burned, for example).

But I can see where players not playing the sidebet would really not want the dealer to take a meaningless (to them) hit. And it would move the shuffle point a little closer in time (eating up maybe enough cards to lose a round or two), so an additional disadvantage to the house. Probably the bet should push if there are no qualifying hands and the house doesn't want to use the extra cards. (Or maybe it does push, and I just don't know the rules of it.) But if the bet loses on no qualifying hands, the house is making big extra bux, maybe as much as 20% head-to-head by taking it.

So, now that I've sounded off, I'll go look up the rules; I may be back to edit. :)

Ok, I'm back. Not sure which of several bust bonus sidebets this is, but the ones placed after you've acted on your hand would work. If this one is bet before you play, then I think there's still a problem unless the bet pushes if the dealer's hand doesn't get played out.

I saw this thread as I was walking out the door this morning and was going to respond about 28%, but I figured one of the "math geeks" (meant as a term of endearment) would give a more precise answer and teliot did not disappoint. :)

I don't know if the OP will be back as this was/is his only post, but before we go off in several different directions, I am curious why he is asking. I fear he was thinking of heading down the path of some sort of progressive, no bust strategy, doubling up and waiting for the dealer to bust, which of course would be a disastrous idea.

The bust it side bet currently used at Trump Taj in AC is placed BEFORE the hands are dealt. Min. $1- Max: $25. Only pays on the dealer busting with his THIRD card. So if the dealer hand is a point total of 11 or less it's automatically lost as is dealer having an Ace. The payouts are as follows.

Dealer Busts With
10-J-Q-K pays 3:1
9 pays 5:1
8 pays 7:1
7 pays 6:1
6 pays 15:1

Three 8's of the same color - 50:1
Three 8's of the same suit - 200:1

If player with a side-bet is dealt a BJ, the cards are tucked under the Bust-It bet circle until the hand is over. Same if a player busts his hand, dealer flips up his whole card and continues the hand to satisfy the side-bet wager.

Quote: BedWetterBetter

The bust it side bet currently used at Trump Taj in AC is placed BEFORE the hands are dealt. Min. $1- Max: $25. Only pays on the dealer busting with his THIRD card ...

Very countable, but not worth it for $25 max.

http://apheat.net/2013/03/11/card-counting-the-bust-it-blackjack-side-bet/

Tropicana in AC also has the bust it side bet on a few tables in the pit. I recently visited Trop for a friend's birthday party and sat at a table that had the bet.

A funny thing happened during a run of good cards. The dealer dealt everyone's cards face up, including his own. His cards just happened to be 8c, 8s...

At first the pit boss was going to call it a misdeal, until a huge uproar from the other players caused them to think twice. He then asked everyone "Do you want to stay in the hand?" Everyone quickly agreed and the hand commenced.

I had hard 17 with no side bet, and the other 4 players had stiff hands that they normally would have hit with an 8 showing(all Basic strategy players), but in this scenario they all stood knowing their Bust it Bet depended on it.

The dealer then draws on his black 8's and it is a 5! A dejected crowd sighs in disappointment. The next hand is dealt in the following order 10, 6, 9 , and 8c !!! Meaning, had the dealer not flipped over his card prematurely and if all played their hand like they usually do, the dealer busts with 3 black 8's and pays out 50 to 1.

Not a huge let down for me, other than losing my initial wager of $25. But needless to say, the table was rather quiet until each player started cashing out one by one.

Quote: BedWetterBetter

Tropicana in AC also has the bust it side bet on a few tables in the pit. I recently visited Trop for a friend's birthday party and sat at a table that had the bet.

A funny thing happened during a run of good cards. The dealer dealt everyone's cards face up, including his own. His cards just happened to be 8c, 8s...

At first the pit boss was going to call it a misdeal, until a huge uproar from the other players caused them to think twice. He then asked everyone "Do you want to stay in the hand?" Everyone quickly agreed and the hand commenced.

I had hard 17 with no side bet, and the other 4 players had stiff hands that they normally would have hit with an 8 showing(all Basic strategy players), but in this scenario they all stood knowing their Bust it Bet depended on it.

The dealer then draws on his black 8's and it is a 5! A dejected crowd sighs in disappointment. The next hand is dealt in the following order 10, 6, 9 , and 8c !!! Meaning, had the dealer not flipped over his card prematurely and if all played their hand like they usually do, the dealer busts with 3 black 8's and pays out 50 to 1.

Not a huge let down for me, other than losing my initial wager of $25. But needless to say, the table was rather quiet until each player started cashing out one by one.

Weird jhit happens, happens at the tables everyday. Should have been a bad bet (dealer 8), but dealer reveals another 8 (now a good bet ). Thankfully dealer can't split ( I wonder which house will introduce dealer split first ), an "uproar" you say, rightfully so, but dealer pulls a 5 for a 21 total out of 'the void'. You would be amazed probably by how often this happens. The math knowledge advanced members are invited to chime in anytime they like. But it happens, happens a lot.

Sorry it wasn't a 'win around the table' on a dealer bust, it should have been. And will be, most of the time....
If you sit and watch the hands, LOTS of hands, nothing will surprise you. If it can happen, it will happen, try to get a pic. Otherwise, it never happened....;-)