Wino
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May 3rd, 2015 at 5:17:10 AM permalink
For HiLo, Player's 12 against dealer's 4 it says to hit at 0 or less. If the RC was exactly 0, then why would we not follow basic strategy and Stand instead?
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Avincow
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May 3rd, 2015 at 10:01:04 AM permalink
12 v 4, you stand at 0 or greater
Donuts
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May 3rd, 2015 at 10:17:32 AM permalink
Basic strategy, by definition, is the optimal play when the RC is exactly 0.

Any deviation can only occur when the RC !=0. So notations like "0-" Mean anything below 0, exclusively.
Hunterhill
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May 3rd, 2015 at 11:32:43 AM permalink
Basic strategy does not mean a running count of zero. Basic strategy is based on your initial two cards and the dealers up card.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.
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TwoFeathersATL
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May 3rd, 2015 at 12:41:38 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Basic strategy does not mean a running count of zero. Basic strategy is based on your initial two cards and the dealers up card.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.

I'm lost again. I thought basic strategy could also cover 3rd and 4th cards, slight changes from 2 cards.
And don't see why 'with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0'. I don't see the direct relationship. Can you elaborate, not for me necessarily, but to get informed info back to the OP question?
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Hunterhill
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May 3rd, 2015 at 12:57:46 PM permalink
You don't see why 12 vs 4 would be above 0. Off the top of a new deck or decks. Any combination of 12 ie..10,2./ 9,3/8,4/7,5/,6,6 vs 4 all produce a running count above 0 in hi lo.Basic strategy is an average of all the possible combinations. Once you get into more than two cards there are composition dependent strategies. Even some two card totals like 10,2 for example are a hit depending on number of decks .
Another common one is certain multi card 16's vs 10 are a stand.
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Ibeatyouraces
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May 3rd, 2015 at 1:08:54 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

Basic strategy does not mean a running count of zero. Basic strategy is based on your initial two cards and the dealers up card.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.

And based on a fresh shuffle with a normal distribution of the remaining cards.
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Hunterhill
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May 3rd, 2015 at 1:11:00 PM permalink
Another one is 16 vs 10 basic strategy is to hitbut if you have a true count of zero or greater you stand. Unless surrender is available.
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RS
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May 3rd, 2015 at 4:28:30 PM permalink
Quote: Donuts

Basic strategy, by definition, is the optimal play when the RC is exactly 0.

Any deviation can only occur when the RC !=0. So notations like "0-" Mean anything below 0, exclusively.

Uhh, no.

So what's the RC of 3,9vs4?
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