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Any deviation can only occur when the RC !=0. So notations like "0-" Mean anything below 0, exclusively.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.

Quote:HunterhillBasic strategy does not mean a running count of zero. Basic strategy is based on your initial two cards and the dealers up card.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.

I'm lost again. I thought basic strategy could also cover 3rd and 4th cards, slight changes from 2 cards.

And don't see why 'with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0'. I don't see the direct relationship. Can you elaborate, not for me necessarily, but to get informed info back to the OP question?

Another common one is certain multi card 16's vs 10 are a stand.

Quote:HunterhillBasic strategy does not mean a running count of zero. Basic strategy is based on your initial two cards and the dealers up card.

So with a 12 vs 4 your running count would be above 0. This is why basic says stand.

And based on a fresh shuffle with a normal distribution of the remaining cards.

Quote:DonutsBasic strategy, by definition, is the optimal play when the RC is exactly 0.

Any deviation can only occur when the RC !=0. So notations like "0-" Mean anything below 0, exclusively.

Uhh, no.

So what's the RC of 3,9vs4?

Quote:HunterhillYou don't see why 12 vs 4 would be above 0. Off the top of a new deck or decks. Any combination of 12 ie..10,2./ 9,3/8,4/7,5/,6,6 vs 4 all produce a running count above 0 in hi lo.Basic strategy is an average of all the possible combinations. Once you get into more than two cards there are composition dependent strategies. Even some two card totals like 10,2 for example are a hit depending on number of decks .

Another common one is certain multi card 16's vs 10 are a stand.

I didn't catch the 'off the top of a new deck', or later the" fresh shuffle" part initially, that's all.