Greasyjohn
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February 10th, 2015 at 7:05:49 PM permalink
I've played in this Indian casino on about eight different 2-day trips. I've won on 6 of those 8 trips. I don't really think I should push it there if they use OSN, or if they share info with other Indian properties. I play a $5 game and spread 1-12. 6D, DAS, H17. Never bet over $50 a hand (count never got super high). Open for $20. I don't know if they use OSN, or share info. But I can't find out either, right? Any thoughts appreciated.
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February 10th, 2015 at 7:09:16 PM permalink
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I've played in this Indian casino on about eight different 2-day trips. I've won on 6 of those 8 trips. I don't really think I should push it there if they're use OSN, or if they share info with other Indian properties. I play a $5 game and spread 1-12. 6D, DAS, H17. Never bet over $50 a hand. Open for $20. Any thoughts welcome.



Forget "Indian vs Corporate". If it's in the States, assume they talk. If it's in the Caribbean, assume they talk. If it's in Uruguay, assume they talk. If it's in South Africa, assume they talk.

If you're in a casino, assume they talk. Not only is it safer, but it's true more often than not.
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February 10th, 2015 at 7:13:19 PM permalink
If you're backed off at one store, is it possible you can't play at any Indian casinos. What do you think is likely?
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February 10th, 2015 at 7:21:47 PM permalink
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If you're backed off at one store, is it possible you can't play at any Indian casinos. What do you think is likely?



It's certainly likely, probably even guaranteed, if they're sister sites within the same tribe you'll get trounced from them all. If you get backed off at Mohegan Sun and then hit up Cherokee, less likely. Much less.

Everyone talks to everyone. But 1-12 playing red? Lol, that's one BOLO I'd not even save in my inbox unless it happened at my specific tribe's property and happened both repeatedly and recently.

But, everyone talks.
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February 10th, 2015 at 8:10:57 PM permalink
First you have to be noticed, second there has to be a surveillance employee motivated enough to look through the pictures in the database which often suck. I haven't been backed off in about a half year SINCE being in OSN, despite about a dozen in the year before (about 2/3 of which were either chain properties or repeats.) Go figure. While you don't want to be in it, it's not such a big deal. Motivated surveillance employees who aren't stretched thin are uncommon. It is a big deal if you use a poison name, or if you're playing at another chain property in same geographic location. Basically if you're not using a poison name or aren't recent, it's going to take them almost as long to look through the database as it would be to run a skills check.
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February 10th, 2015 at 8:16:19 PM permalink
And please don't mention FRS, that crap is garbage. Facial recognition is the crusty old pit boss who knows you on sight or the flyer of you up in the surveillance room after you got backed off at the sister property across town. From the pages I saw in the database, it was heavily entries from Arizona, Michigan, and people using large (1-9+) spreads on double deck games at lv strip properties.
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February 10th, 2015 at 10:04:43 PM permalink
I wouldn't put one iota of thought into whether I'm going to get backed off with a 5-60 spread.
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February 10th, 2015 at 10:21:49 PM permalink
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First you have to be noticed, second there has to be a surveillance employee motivated enough to look through the pictures in the database which often suck. I haven't been backed off in about a half year SINCE being in OSN, despite about a dozen in the year before (about 2/3 of which were either chain properties or repeats.) Go figure. While you don't want to be in it, it's not such a big deal. Motivated surveillance employees who aren't stretched thin are uncommon. It is a big deal if you use a poison name, or if you're playing at another chain property in same geographic location. Basically if you're not using a poison name or aren't recent, it's going to take them almost as long to look through the database as it would be to run a skills check.



What's a poison name?
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February 11th, 2015 at 2:08:06 AM permalink
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What's a poison name?



I believe* a name that has previous history (back off) at that property, related property, or one that is in OSN.
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February 11th, 2015 at 4:51:36 AM permalink
If it's a tribal casino it's almost a guarantee they use OSN. McAllister3200 sums it up well.
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February 12th, 2015 at 12:04:24 AM permalink
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I believe* a name that has previous history (back off) at that property, related property, or one that is in OSN.



By that definition, Mcallister's name is poison. So i don't get it.
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February 12th, 2015 at 12:15:05 AM permalink
So I don't use my name, capeche?
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February 12th, 2015 at 12:17:37 AM permalink
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So I don't use my name, capeche?



Oh. Well then my name is poison too. No more comps forever?
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February 12th, 2015 at 1:19:01 AM permalink
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Forget "Indian vs Corporate". If it's in the States, assume they talk. If it's in the Caribbean, assume they talk. If it's in Uruguay, assume they talk. If it's in South Africa, assume they talk.

If you're in a casino, assume they talk. Not only is it safer, but it's true more often than not.



If it's in south africa, they probably don't talk, because if you're caught cheating or APing you won't be playing again, ever.
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February 12th, 2015 at 1:25:00 AM permalink
What do you mean?
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February 12th, 2015 at 2:23:15 AM permalink
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If it's in south africa, they probably don't talk, because if you're caught cheating or APing you won't be playing again, ever.



Care to back that up?
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February 12th, 2015 at 3:23:31 AM permalink
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If it's in south africa, they probably don't talk, because if you're caught cheating or APing you won't be playing again, ever.



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February 12th, 2015 at 5:53:09 AM permalink
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If it's in south africa, they probably don't talk, because if you're caught cheating or APing you won't be playing again, ever.



In South Africa? It's mostly white people who speak English. Are you sure?
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February 12th, 2015 at 8:28:10 AM permalink
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Oh. Well then my name is poison too. No more comps forever?

doesn't have to be, that's your decision, just tilts the risk meter of playing rated a little further.
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February 12th, 2015 at 8:50:07 AM permalink
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If it's in south africa, they probably don't talk, because if you're caught cheating or APing you won't be playing again, ever.



Meh, I knew a Surv director from there. Their casino scene was mostly similar to here, except instead of a guy rushing a float wearing a motorcycle helmet, it was 5 guys rushing the float with AKs. Same, but different =p
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