Cheating Dealers?

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with cheating dealers within the last 5 years or so. I understand that it used to be a big problem in Vegas back in the "good old days", but hopefully not anymore.

Any casino, Any country/state

I wasn't around for the really 'good old days' where the dealers rolled decks over, etc... but from my perspective I don't think I've seen very many cheating dealers. I've looked for the ones that pull the 2nd card from the shoe by peeking at the first, dealing seconds in DD, etc. Most of the 'cheating' that is involved now is when you get an uppity 'house' dealer (whom loves it when the players lose) who tries to push your winning bets or take your push bets. Of course there's no way to tell if this is intentional or not, but I will note that I've noticed it happens more often with these types of dealers.

The only cheating I've heard of, at least locally, has been in the player's favor. Dealers overpaying to get more tips.

I've never caught a dealer cheating against me. I've had dealers "cheat" for me on multiple occasions.
1.) dealer at bellagio checked for BJ and the red light came on briefly... Then he remembered to ask for insurance. I said I'll take insurance and put my money down. 3 other people at the table either didn't realize he had blackjack, or they were stupid. So they all lost to the BJ and I got my wager back.
2.) dealer at Casino Royale paid me for winning a hand twice when he busted to a 22. It should have been a push. He almost paid it a 3rd time before the pit boss saw him attempt a payout. I was expecting a call from surveillance to come down and have me pay back what he had paid in error previously, but the call never came
3.) Also at Casino Royale I had been playing craps and usually placing $10 odds on my come bets. I forgot to place odds on a 4 and during the roll I announced I'd like odds. What do you know the 4 hits. Dealer says drop him a quarter. I was confused but did so. He paid me $50 on my $25 odds instead of $20 on $10 odds. I had been tipping him prior to this happening so I am convinced this only happened due to me tipping

Usually cheating dealers cannot be found 'cause they have revealed themselves so well that we normal gamblers can't figure out if one of them is cheating. As I had read articles online, I know there are poker cheating devices in the market, but I'd rather not use them at all. Two reasons: a. I don't gamble often, b. it's too risky. Though I look down upon cheating dealers, I don't want to be a casino cheater, just the same as them.

Cheating dealers no longer exist, except for a few clowns who get hanged high. (Now, Gamblers trying things and taking shots, - now that's a different story. They abound in spades.)

Why would dealers risk a felony for small change with cameras all over the place? And for whom? You, the gambler? Or for their bosses?

The dealers would neither work for (or risk their careers or lives for) the bosses they dislike, nor the players they dislike, for the small change that they would make, and for the felony charge.

You'd sooner see a bank teller or a 7-11 clerk try this.

Quote: Paigowdan

Cheating dealers no longer exist.

BS! unless you don't think dealers colluding with players is cheating. Didn't a roulette dealer just get busted for telling players what to bet on. Whatever his reasons were, or if he could actually affect anything is not the point, he was at least trying to swindle the players somehow.

Threat of the law and being caught doesn't discourage everybody.

Depends what you mean by cheating dealers... if its cheating either against or for the player, then i agree with dan, why would they? And in Axel's roulette case, wasn't that a case of the dealer jokingly saying what they should bet on, and it somehow got misconstrued and out of hand? I remember reading the article on it, but cant remember the exact details.

If by cheating you mean theft from the casino, then this would be far more common. I've personally worked with 2 people that were sacked for robbing chips from the float.

Quote: AxelWolf

BS! unless you don't think dealers colluding with players is cheating. Didn't a roulette dealer just get busted for telling players what to bet on?

Yes, I think a dealer colluding with players is cheating, if they're making real money at it. But a Roulette dealer telling the players what numbers to bet on next spin (like the Amazing Kreskin) is simply a Roulette dealer sticking his fingers into the players' backsides. I dealt craps for years, and I used to tell players who were a pain in the butt: "Yeah, Boxcars is coming out on the very next roll!! Bet the table max on it, and see what happens!! Trust me!!"

Quote: AxelWolf

Whatever his reasons or if he could really affect anything is not the point he was at least trying to swindle the players somehow.

No he wasn't. He was sticking his fingers into the backsides of the players while on the table. A lot of dealers do this to this to their players, and sometimes for reason. It's a little like being on an Internet forum, but while dealing on a casino table. Get a job as a casino dealer, and you'll find yourself saying some things to some people at some times, - or to yourself after clocking out. You'll be surprised at yourself.

Quote: AxelWolf

Threat of the law and being caught doesn't discourage everybody.

That's for sure. There aren't enough people doing the time they deserve, in my opinion.

Quote: Paigowdan

Quote: AxelWolf

BS! unless you don't think dealers colluding with players is cheating. Didn't a roulette dealer just get busted for telling players what to bet on?

No he wasn't. He was sticking his fingers into the backsides of the players while on the table.

It might not even have been this...I get asked all the time what the next number will be when dealing roulette. I usually just pick a random number out of the air, if it hits you look great, if it doesn't, who cares?