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January 12th, 2015 at 6:35:43 AM permalink
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Ok that's great. No mid-shoe is a pro for me as I always prefer to play alone (more hands per hour). I am thinking that playing in the high roller room during the week I should be able to get a table to myself.


Is there possibly a fun Trip Report in the mix? I love to see trip reports from the eyes of 'high roller room' players, as I don't generally play in there (or more importantly at those limits) at this time =/.
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January 12th, 2015 at 7:12:05 AM permalink
I originally had a trip planned for December but unfortunately I had to push the date back. I have rescheduled for February, just booked everything up & I will absolutely do a full trip report when I return. (Pictures & all!)
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January 12th, 2015 at 8:16:13 AM permalink
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Would you guys happen to have any information on the Monte Carlo (on the subject)? That is probably where I will be staying.


The S17 DD game at Monte Carlo is in the high limit room as well. The few times I stopped in it was a $50 min, so I don't know if it periodically goes up to $100.
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January 12th, 2015 at 9:19:05 AM permalink
Thank you for the info! I am hoping the minimum bet for that game will be $50 while I am there.
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January 12th, 2015 at 10:15:44 AM permalink
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Thank you for the info! I am hoping the minimum bet for that game will be $50 while I am there.


Um, one other piece of advice... You probably don't want to count at a place you're staying (unless you're just straight paying for the room, which you shouldn't be). You should at least call up and get a reduced rate based on your $50min average play (even if you don't have a membership with them). Often they'll put you in a room and as long as you put some hours in on the tables they just end up comping your room (but I would use a reduced just above break even spread for this as again you don't usually want to count at the place you're staying).

The bad thing that can happen..? They find out you're counting, take your picture, flyer you, add you to OSN, and kick you out of their hotel on your trip =/. Careful with your own property/their affiliated properties!
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January 12th, 2015 at 11:44:28 AM permalink
One thing I have thought about doing is playing for big comps & less EV at the $100 min tables. Basically, betting $100 per hand until the true count reaches +5, then bet $200. Bet $300 if the true count reaches +10. I did a simulation of this & it came out to be a little over $50 per 100 hands EV (That is using AOII full indices with ace side count & 55% deck penetration). I was thinking that betting like this would rack up a ton of comps, the spread would only be 1-3 & I would only be raising my bet at all maybe a handful of times all night. I ultimately decided not to do this, but it seemed like a good way to play & make some pretty good money (without the heat). What do you guys think about this?
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January 13th, 2015 at 8:18:00 AM permalink
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One thing I have thought about doing is playing for big comps & less EV at the $100 min tables. Basically, betting $100 per hand until the true count reaches +5, then bet $200. Bet $300 if the true count reaches +10. I did a simulation of this & it came out to be a little over $50 per 100 hands EV (That is using AOII full indices with ace side count & 55% deck penetration). I was thinking that betting like this would rack up a ton of comps, the spread would only be 1-3 & I would only be raising my bet at all maybe a handful of times all night. I ultimately decided not to do this, but it seemed like a good way to play & make some pretty good money (without the heat). What do you guys think about this?


Not a bad idea, but I would execute differently. I would spread 1-3, raising to $200 at TC +3. This is often the most profitable of the TC's because it still appears the most frequently (of the bigger counts) while offering a solid 1%+ advantage (FUN FACT: If you're betting the same on TC +3 and TC +4, TC +3 is by far more profitable than TC +4 because of it's frequency). Then I would up to 300 at like TC +6 if you're worried about spreading too often. This way it would look like you have a 1-2 spread (which would be a slightly positive game from the previous numbers I've run in another similar thread).

The other thread is here: http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/20201-0-00-blackjack/

This was a quick run of the numbers with Hi/Low. Your count should be more tailored to single/double deck $100 min games, so I would guess you'd be dollars ahead of the estimations even. A 1-2 spread should still net $40+ per hour! Again, I'd up to $200 at TC +3 =), but if you're really worrying about the place you're staying, perhaps TC +4 or +5 then...
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January 13th, 2015 at 8:25:49 AM permalink
With any table game, the limits tend to go up as the casino gets more crowded. With those double-deck S17 games, the minimums will be $25/$50 most of the time. Only on a Friday or Saturday night, generally speaking, might they bump them up.
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January 13th, 2015 at 9:53:52 AM permalink
Wizard: Thank you for your response! This is exactly what I was thinking.

Romes: I was hoping for a response from you lol. I certainly like the betting spread you suggested much better (TC+3 - $200, TC+6 - $300) as I just did a simulation of this strategy & it came out at nearly $100 EV (2D S17 DAS Re-split aces allowed 60% pen.) I must say that playing the $100 min tables is very tempting as it comes with a lot of perks:

1. Much greater comps.
2. Playing re-split aces (M offers this game)
3. Always playing alone (I would think)
4. Using a smaller spread

Although I like your spread much better (raising sooner at +3), I am very worried about being booted as im sure the pit would be watching very closely. I plan on spending 90% of my time in vegas playing. I am thinking 1 of 2 things will happen, they will either roll out the red carpet or ban me & send out my picture to all their affiliations.
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January 13th, 2015 at 10:04:58 AM permalink
Quote: theOmega623

Wizard: Thank you for your response! This is exactly what I was thinking.

Romes: I was hoping for a response from you lol. I certainly like the betting spread you suggested much better (TC+3 - $200, TC+6 - $300) as I just did a simulation of this strategy & it came out at nearly $100 EV (2D S17 DAS Re-split aces allowed 60% pen.) I must say that playing the $100 min tables is very tempting as it comes with a lot of perks:

1. Much greater comps.
2. Playing re-split aces (M offers this game)
3. Always playing alone (I would think)
4. Using a smaller spread

Although I like your spread much better (raising sooner at +3), I am very worried about being booted as im sure the pit would be watching very closely. I plan on spending 90% of my time in vegas playing. I am thinking 1 of 2 things will happen, they will either roll out the red carpet or ban me & send out my picture to all their affiliations.


Well I was also assuming at the $50 and $100 min games you'd provide some cover ;)... Like come off the top for 200. Or my favorite, the first time you raise your bet should be when the count goes negative, so anyone checking you out when you come in might not think twice. Research cover plays to see the ones that aren't too costly so you can employ them appropriately without cutting in to your EV. If you're running cover plays, I would think a "1-2" spread of 200 at TC +3 would suffice. I doubt you'll get too many TC +6 $300 bets out, and if you feel you've gotten too many then just bet $200.

If you really want to play where you're staying you could also play a session or two on day 1 with no spread, giving the impression you're a flat better. Be creative, but not costly!
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