Amlee
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December 28th, 2014 at 1:16:01 PM permalink
Ugh. Played a total of 10 hours at various SD and DD games on the Reno Strip and bled $900 (standard Reno table rules on these games). I had won just over $2k the week earlier playing various 6D games at a 10-100 spread, and thought I'd try out some 10-50 action, using the the TKO system, which is what I've been using over the course of the past year. I prefer SD and DD whenever possible for obvious reasons.

I just couldn't get anything going. Just kept losing big hands over and over. I'd nail BJs and all kinds of double-downs on the hands in negative counts (when I was at $5/$10), but then would get slaughtered in the positive counts, particularly when doubling on the BB ($100 total for me). I have a lot of faith in my counting game, so I am quite confident that the counts were as I determined them to be.

Don't you hate when that happens though?

Another interesting trend was that the dealers I played against probably hit the BJ at a rate triple to me. It should at least be 1:1! Haha.

Since I was losing, I'm sure that the pits didn't mind that I was playing two spots while in the positive counts. Sometimes this hurt me, but it also saved my butt on many occasions.

I guess it's one of the wacky swings of that game that we know and love. A week ago, I couldn't stop winning. Yesterday night, I was never ever up. I was down a lot, recovered almost to where I was, and then took a bath in the end.

Does anyone have any stories they'd like to share about getting murdered at the tables, days after doing the murdering yourself?
1BB
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December 28th, 2014 at 2:19:55 PM permalink
I've got a million stories. Wait until the losing goes on for days, weeks or longer. Ten hours is nothing. May I ask what the penetration was and how many others were at the table?
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Amlee
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December 28th, 2014 at 3:04:04 PM permalink
Hey 1BB,

Penetration varied, but wasn't great...less than 75% in both SD and DD scenarios from what I saw. I know that off-strip at places like the Nugget or Atlantis or Boomtown, it's likely better. I was playing solo against the dealer whenever possible, mainly at CalNeva. For the sake of efficiency, I don't like playing with more than two players, but of course, in Reno on the weekends, that's not always possible. It varied from playing solo to have four other people. When the table filled up, I tended to walk. The action is just too slow. No offense against newer players who are out there trying to learn. I respect that.

The downtown Reno DD games don't allow DAS, which is annoying, but then if you move to the SD games, they are 6:5, which is even more annoying. Mathematically, this may not be right, but in my experience, I feel like no DAS is a bigger loss for me than 6:5. That said, the inventors of 6:5 should be slathered in BBQ sauce and fed to wolves. :)

I have heard some people on the forum say that KO or TKO isn't a great system for SD, and I must say, I haven't had much luck with the SD games. I am surprised that I got absolutely zero heat in spreading to two spots or playing 1:5 spread on SD and DD, and even dropping down to $5 (instead of $10) in the negative counts, but like I said, I was always down and playing catch-up most of the time. I'm sure that if I was reeling off hundreds in wins, the pit critters would have taken a keener interest in me.

During the last two hours of the night, I hit a horrible patch and lost about $500, after recouping almost all of the 1k I had on the table. My transportation was headed out and I had to call it a night, ending it on a pretty sh*tty note.

I can control myself during losses and learned very quickly a year ago what steaming feels and looks like, so I don't go there. But I still need to work on losing and being "ok" with going home down hundreds when you've done everything right and the cards just didn't come out as you might have expected. Nothing's worse than playing for hours and being down, while you're watching some drunk dope randomly throw down big and leave the table up, and you've tracked everything meticulously and leave a loser. Live to fight another day, that is what I tell myself.

Honest question for your more experienced folks out there: if you're playing $10-50 DD or $10-100 6D, what should your bankroll look like? Using the rule of "100x the BB," that would be $5k for the DD and $12.5k for the 6D. Sound about right?
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December 28th, 2014 at 3:17:27 PM permalink
Quote: Amlee

Does anyone have any stories they'd like to share about getting murdered at the tables, days after doing the murdering yourself?



It is part of the game. Sometimes, the negative swing can last for months. In this year, I had three month losing streak in Jan, Feb & March.
Then, I encountered a four month losing streak in April, May, June & July. Basically, I could not win at all in those months. It did not matter where I play and how aggressive I wong-out and spread my bets. It was like a routine that I had to lose at the high count. Therefore, it is very important to have a proper bankroll to survive in those tough times. In addition, you must have the positive attitude to deal with the losses. Winning is easy but not many people can deal with the losses. After July, I slowly dug myself out and climbed back where I was in March.
Leave Katie alone. Rasul: Or what? Or I come back and break your F** legs
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December 28th, 2014 at 3:51:48 PM permalink
Amlee,

No DAS adds 0.14% to the house edge while 6:5 adds a whopping 1.39%. Could you increase your spread? Could you go 1-8 on the double deck and 1-16 on the six deck? Is that your trip bankroll or your total bankroll. Either way it seems okay but we don't have to guess anymore because it can be simmed.

Many KO users graduate to UBZII and report noticeable improvement. The best count, it is often said, is the one that you can handle with no mistakes.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
Amlee
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December 29th, 2014 at 10:27:48 AM permalink
Hey 1BB,

I honestly don't really have the bankroll to play 10-80 at DD and 10-160 on 6D. Even if I dropped it to 5:40 and 5:80, I think that that could draw some crazy attention from the Pit.

Where is the best place to learn UBZII? I'd be willing to give it a-go and take a look.

I started with KO in 2013, moved onto Dravot's TKO a few months ago, and play that system pretty flawlessly. It definitely is an improvement over straight KO. The only thing that has flaws of course are the card themselves. :)
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December 29th, 2014 at 10:55:10 AM permalink
Get The Unbalanced Zen2 booklet by George C. It's about $20 and should be online or go to Blackjackinfo and do a search. Qfit.com has the tags for UBZ and other counts on it's site.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi
BigJer
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January 6th, 2015 at 12:05:40 PM permalink
I was up at Reno a couple of weeks ago. Went through most of my BR in under two hours. I think I won one hand out of 10.
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Amlee
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January 6th, 2015 at 7:17:11 PM permalink
BigJer,

Yep, that was me, as I bled money for hours on end. Would get slaughtered in the heavily + counts and then would hit BJs on the $10 minimum hand. It's maddening sometimes.
Amlee
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:45:52 PM permalink
So here's Part II. I returned yesterday and played the majority of the day.

12 hours in total. $10-50 spread on DD games at three casinos, all the same "Reno Rules."

Walked out down $1200. The sad part is I was NEVER up more than $50. The majority of the day was spent trying to recoup, never quite getting there, and then nosediving further and further.

For the sake of sanity and bankroll, I stopped after reaching the aforementioned loss. Once again, I'm using KO with the additions accounting for True Count as put forth by Daniel Dravot (TKO).

The counting is there. I saw all the cards come out at the right time, just to other players or to the dealer (I'd max my bet and get an A, 8; (s)he'd get a A,9). Card just didn't fall my way.

Oh, it's maddening, especially when you watch drunk dudes playing wildly and winning.

Good thing I won over $2k in the Midwest playing 6D in December. Because I lost it all back to Reno in January.

I'm sure the surveillance cameras are watching me and laughing their asses off. They aren't going to back me off when I'm losing. "Go ahead, count away! We welcome your business."

Sad night, guys. I'm heading to Palm Springs for the next three days for work and will be staying away for now.

Quick sidenote: Lifetime, in just under 1.5 years of playing (and I've only gotten better), I'm at -$1130. Hey, it's recoverable but when you're a red-chipper, that number is significant.

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