terapined
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:59:17 PM permalink
Playing the El single deck and simple count is plus 5.
I have 16 and dealer showing a 10.
Should I stick since count so high, good chance of busting.
If so, stick on 12 13 14 15?
If changing strategy due to a high count, at what number would you change basic strategy. Say +1 you would hit but plus 8 stick. At what plus number would you change strategy.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
Boney526
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:28:34 PM permalink
Yes there are variations based on the count. In fact, the one you pointed it is so close that (I think in all games) the count has to be anything more than 0 to change the play to stand. Actually IIRC at exactly 0 you're indifferent to stand or hit.

The other ones aren't as simple to remember as exactly 0, it just coincidently happens to be right for that play. Look up the I-18 (stands for Illustrious 18 IIRC and contains the 18 most important strategy variations.)

Ramping up betting is way, way more important, though.
RS
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December 26th, 2014 at 10:26:22 PM permalink
Illustrious 18. Look it up (online or in book) for your system. They're called indices (or index numbers / deviations). Actually illustrious 18 are just the 18 best indices to learn. But are many more (100+).

Learning indices, I believe, is about 33% of your EV for a card counter. Most of your edge comes from bet ramping.

For HiLo, you stand on 16vT if RC is greater than 0. If it's less than 0, you hit. If its exactly 0, I don't remember. I always stand though.
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December 26th, 2014 at 11:20:03 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Playing the El single deck and simple count is plus 5.
I have 16 and dealer showing a 10.
Should I stick since count so high, good chance of busting.
If so, stick on 12 13 14 15?
If changing strategy due to a high count, at what number would you change basic strategy. Say +1 you would hit but plus 8 stick. At what plus number would you change strategy.



What count are you using and is the majority of your play single deck?
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terapined
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December 27th, 2014 at 1:17:09 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

What count are you using and is the majority of your play single deck?


Just the simple system. -1 for 10's and ace, +1 for 2 to 6.
Just doing this for fun.
1 deck game only
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
Avincow
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December 27th, 2014 at 12:44:50 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Just the simple system. -1 for 10's and ace, +1 for 2 to 6.
Just doing this for fun.
1 deck game only



That's Hi-Lo.
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December 27th, 2014 at 6:18:42 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Playing the El single deck and simple count is plus 5.



Shouldn't you be using composition dependent basic strategy on that game?
May the cards fall in your favor.
terapined
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December 27th, 2014 at 6:37:58 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Shouldn't you be using composition dependent basic strategy on that game?


You are probabbly right but that sounds a little complicated.
Just playing for fun, hi-lo gives me a fighting chance.
Low rollers just want to have fun. I like the El. Feeling real comfortable playing there.
Its just a forum. Nothing here to get obsessed about.
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December 27th, 2014 at 7:30:19 PM permalink
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You are probabbly right but that sounds a little complicated.
Just playing for fun, hi-lo gives me a fighting chance.
Low rollers just want to have fun. I like the El. Feeling real comfortable playing there.



It's my favorite place for Craps, too. I like Binion's best for PGP, but it was probably just because of the super-quick drink service and super friendly dealer, she had to be pushing sixty, be cool if she was still there next time.
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December 29th, 2014 at 5:05:48 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Playing the El single deck and simple count is plus 5.
I have 16 and dealer showing a 10.
Should I stick since count so high, good chance of busting.
If so, stick on 12 13 14 15?
If changing strategy due to a high count, at what number would you change basic strategy. Say +1 you would hit but plus 8 stick. At what plus number would you change strategy.



Stand on 16 at 0. Stand on 15 at 4. Stand on 14 at 7. Stand on 13 at 13. You're more likely to hit 17 than stand on 12.
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December 29th, 2014 at 8:43:08 PM permalink
I just wanted to reinforce: Illustrious 18. Google it, or search this site, or click my name and look at the A-Z Card Counting thread because there's links/explanations to them there as well. You've got a lot of options =).
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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