Staying under the Radar in Vegas
2) If I use points to stay for free in Vegas that I got from a property located outside of Vegas that flagged me, but I don't play at the parent property, will they still let all of Vegas know I'm in town?
3) Being in OSN, do I have to play unrated everywhere?
4) How do I get money to Vegas? Do I bring an envelope of money on the plane, and if searched, tell them it's not to fund terrorism? Do I (can I) have my bank wire it to the casino I'm staying at (where I'm not going to play)? Another casino?
Please help me...:(
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4) How do I get money to Vegas? Do I bring an envelope of money on the plane, and if searched, tell them it's not to fund terrorism? Do I (can I) have my bank wire it to the casino I'm staying at (where I'm not going to play)? Another casino?
I bring a couple grand cash in my carry on, and also prearrange / set up a line of credit with the casino I am staying at in case I need it.
The nice thing about a line of credit is that you prepay the casino nothing; they literally give you credit, having first verified from your bank that you have sufficient monies on deposit in your bank to cover the LOC amount.
They even give you a bit of time to repay the loan, and it's interest free if timely paid: sweet deal.
Quote: Sonuvabish4) How do I get money to Vegas? Do I bring an envelope of money on the plane, and if searched, tell them it's not to fund terrorism? Do I (can I) have my bank wire it to the casino I'm staying at (where I'm not going to play)? Another casino?
Obviously, I don't know what the major banks are where you live vs what the major banks are in Las Vegas.
But I do know that CHASE BANK has branches where I live AND in Las Vegas.
Good luck.
(I'm not happy about having to put my wallet through the TSA x-ray machine. Why can't you carry it in your hand and then have the TSA person visually inspect it on the other side ?)
Quote: Sonuvabish1) If I am restricted from blackjack in some form in an entire state, will this present a problem in Vegas?
2) If I use points to stay for free in Vegas that I got from a property located outside of Vegas that flagged me, but I don't play at the parent property, will they still let all of Vegas know I'm in town?
3) Being in OSN, do I have to play unrated everywhere?
4) How do I get money to Vegas? Do I bring an envelope of money on the plane, and if searched, tell them it's not to fund terrorism? Do I (can I) have my bank wire it to the casino I'm staying at (where I'm not going to play)? Another casino?
Please help me...:(
1) This is a property issue. If you're restricted from MLife properties in your home state, then yes they will restrict you in Vegas at MLife properties once they identify you. You should be able to play at other properties you haven't had issues with no problem.
2) If you've only been backed off then they should let you redeem your points and stay on their properties, but as you surmised you should not be playing blackjack there because you'll more than likely run in to problems that might leave you without a place to stay.
3) You don't 'have' to, but then you run the risk of getting flagged anywhere you play... and if you're already not playing at your "home" property (i.e. the one you're using to get a hotel room) then you're just crossing more properties off your available list. My suggestion, if you KNOW you're in OSN, is to play unrated anywhere you go, and to try to keep your sessions shorter than your regular marathon. This shouldn't be too hard though, Vegas offers tons and tons of different games.
4) Travelers checks?? Most casino cages will cash them, they can't be stolen, and if airport security for some reason wanted to confiscate them then they would never actually get your money. If it's only a couple grand and you have a plane ticket to Vegas, I wouldn't worry about it though. Personally, I took like a grand with me in my wallet, and I withdrew from ATM's when I was there because I have free ATM reimbursement, so I took no fees. Others suggested setting up a wire to a casino, but I would only do that if a) it was more than $5k, or b) you don't have problems with properties (back off's / OSN / etc). So for your case I probably wouldn't do it. If you're going with friends/significant others you could always give them the money at home, and have them wire it to Vegas under their name and give it to you when you get there... There's a billion ways to get money to/from Vegas, with no fee's or fear of confiscation.
I almost didn't respond because you can be kind of rude in your postings, but you did slam "letswin" and "theprofessor" in their obvious joke threads, which made me laugh. For the record, I too think they're the same person as they literally say the exact same things.
Quote: Romes1) This is a property issue. If you're restricted from MLife properties in your home state, then yes they will restrict you in Vegas at MLife properties once they identify you. You should be able to play at other properties you haven't had issues with no problem.
Thanks for the detailed response. Letswin and theprofessor are (insult redacted), agreed.
I've been finding lately that I'm getting backed off from completely unrelated properties that are seemingly in communication. They are just waiting for me to show up. I am NOT a high roller. Does this not happen out there?
Quote: SonuvabishI've been finding lately that I'm getting backed off from completely unrelated properties that are seemingly in communication. Does this not happen out there?
It does, but it will more than likely happen once you've been identified out there. I.E. If no one knows you're coming, then they won't alert each other you're trying to play out there. However, if you do set up something to redeem points with your property of choice, then they may alert other places if they have you listed as someone to watch. You should be fine as long as you don't play rated and keep your sessions short... And probably don't spread $5-$200 =p. That'll get you backed off anywhere. There's a loooooooooooot of places to play off the strip, in every single direction. Mix up your places, play unrated, and keep sessions to 40 min - 1 hour and you should have no problem playing every day of your trip.
p.s. You better plan on getting backed off at El Cortez; it's an experience in it's own and a right of passage!
Don't play rated now anywhere. Your name is poison. Do not wire money to the casino or use traveler's checks both will require ID.You should not even be staying at a casino hotel unless someone can get you a room.Quote: Sonuvabish1) If I am restricted from blackjack in some form in an entire state, will this present a problem in Vegas?
2) If I use points to stay for free in Vegas that I got from a property located outside of Vegas that flagged me, but I don't play at the parent property, will they still let all of Vegas know I'm in town?
3) Being in OSN, do I have to play unrated everywhere?
4) How do I get money to Vegas? Do I bring an envelope of money on the plane, and if searched, tell them it's not to fund terrorism? Do I (can I) have my bank wire it to the casino I'm staying at (where I'm not going to play)? Another casino?
Please help me...:(
You can bring money to Vegas no problem. Put it in sealed envelopes in your carry on bag.Do not have ANYTHING else in your bag that will make them inspect your bag.
Read Grosjeans blog about going through airports. Your name will slowly go down the list on the OSN page you don't want to get put on the most recent entries so avoid using your Id no matter what.
Quote: HunterhillDon't play rated now anywhere. Your name is poison. Do not wire money to the casino or use traveler's checks both will require ID.You should not even be staying at a casino hotel unless someone can get you a room.
You can bring money to Vegas no problem. Put it in sealed envelopes in your carry on bag.Do not have ANYTHING else in your bag that will make them inspect your bag.
Read Grosjeans blog about going through airports. Your name will slowly go down the list on the OSN page you don't want to get put on the most recent entries so avoid using your Id no matter what.
So you think staying at the casino will cause a problem?
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p.s. You better plan on getting backed off at El Cortez; it's an experience in it's own and a right of passage!
I've heard about El Cortez...how do you not get backed off? And since so many have, do they not alert other casinos or what?
If you stay under your name it could be a problem. It depends if your account is flagged. Maybe you can get someone to get you a room for a decent price. There are people on this site that might work out a deal with you.Quote: SonuvabishSo you think staying at the casino will cause a problem?
Other wise stay in a non casino hotel. If you get put in OSN again while in Vegas can still play unrated but will have to change your appearance.
Quote: SonuvabishI've heard about El Cortez...how do you not get backed off? And since so many have, do they not alert other casinos or what?
I've never liked playing where I stay. Getting kicked out of a room in the middle of the night will do that to you. That was a long time ago. Lesson learned.
At the El Cortez you never know what will set them off. Basic strategy players can get backed off for winning. I have played unmolested there for hours and I have been backed off after 20 minutes. I was killing time one Sunday afternoon before going to the airport and made ridiculous bets and plays for over two hours and got very little heat. I told the people I was with that I wouldn't be long because I was so sure I be backed off. Nothing. I've had checks play called after raising my bet from $25 to $50.
It's really no big deal at all to get backed off at this joint. They seem to forget about you after a few weeks or so. I have never played rated there.
Typically 1 hand doesn't talk to the other. There's virtually 0 chance you get thrown out of a comped room if you're not playing at that place. Even if you get backed off at a different property in town, they don't notify all the hotels in the area with an alert to throw you out. Just stay away from the gaming area (you can get backed off loitering too long by the tables if someone recognizes you. walking past should be fine).
Quote: 1BBI've never liked playing where I stay. Getting kicked out of a room in the middle of the night will do that to you. That was a long time ago. Lesson learned.
At the El Cortez you never know what will set them off. Basic strategy players can get backed off for winning. I have played unmolested there for hours and I have been backed off after 20 minutes. I was killing time one Sunday afternoon before going to the airport and made ridiculous bets and plays for over two hours and got very little heat. I told the people I was with that I wouldn't be long because I was so sure I be backed off. Nothing. I've had checks play called after raising my bet from $25 to $50.
It's really no big deal at all to get backed off at this joint. They seem to forget about you after a few weeks or so. I have never played rated there.
K, one guy says it's not OK to stay at the free hotel. Another says it is. My player's card is obviously flagged cuz they know to restrict my blackjack play. So what's the seasoned veteran's take?
Quote: SonuvabishI've heard about El Cortez...how do you not get backed off? And since so many have, do they not alert other casinos or what?
Um, what are they going to alert them to? There's a guy that has brown hair and a yellow shirt... be on the lookout?!?! Don't give them your ID/Players Card/etc and just play. If you actually use a little cover you can probably play for an hour or two, pending how obvious you make it.
I think the new badge of honor should be... How long can you play at El Cortez (continuously) while actually trying to beat the game... so something like playing with a minimum 8-1 spread, limited cover, etc. Then we can post how long we lasted until the Flat Bet or Boot =P.
Quote: SonuvabishK, one guy says it's not OK to stay at the free hotel. Another says it is. My player's card is obviously flagged cuz they know to restrict my blackjack play. So what's the seasoned veteran's take?
Consider another hobby, get a part time job, or find a better AP play. Card counting doesn't fool anyone these days.
Quote: SonuvabishK, one guy says it's not OK to stay at the free hotel. Another says it is. My player's card is obviously flagged cuz they know to restrict my blackjack play. So what's the seasoned veteran's take?
You should read more carefully.
1BB says he doesn't like playing where he stays.
I say it's OK to take a free room on a backed off card and NOT play there, or do anything that would trigger surveillance being called on you.
2 totally different things.
Quote: KeyserConsider another hobby, get a part time job, or find a better AP play. Card counting doesn't fool anyone these days.
OK, keyser, you can quit with the repetitive, unoriginal trolling now. You've said this like 6 times, and it's not to make any other point than your mythical counting sorts method is legitimate.
Quote: sc15You should read more carefully.
1BB says he doesn't like playing where he stays.
I say it's OK to take a free room on a backed off card and NOT play there, or do anything that would trigger surveillance being called on you.
2 totally different things.
No, 1BB didn't say it wasn't OK, HunterHill did. I asked 1BB to be the tiebreaker.
I honestly don't have much choice. I have to stay at the hotel. I'm gonna get like 4 days free. I don't have a large enough bank to burn money (unless I don't wanna bring a hooker with me). I hope you're right.
In the past, I have experienced that a card that is supposed to be downgraded still gets the upgraded discount at eateries if you don't update at the player's club. That's about the extent of my experience...but that does shed some hope that I won't be flagged by the pits.
Quote: KeyserLose the sunglasses, the black shirt, and it also helps if you stop saying, "Winner winner chicken dinner!" each time you win. LOL
Seriously? I request the mods allow a no-holds-barred comedic stand-off between me and Keyser. I'm laughing at how weak that was.
Quote: SonuvabishNo, 1BB didn't say it wasn't OK, HunterHill did. I asked 1BB to be the tiebreaker.
I honestly don't have much choice. I have to stay at the hotel. I'm gonna get like 4 days free. I don't have a large enough bank to burn money (unless I don't wanna bring a hooker with me). I hope you're right.
In the past, I have experienced that a card that is supposed to be downgraded still gets the upgraded discount at eateries if you don't update at the player's club. That's about the extent of my experience...but that does shed some hope that I won't be flagged by the pits.
I've used backed off cards for free rooms more times than I can count. Including times where I stayed under a backed off card and played with a fake name there (that's risky, but what I did was I booked and checked into 2 rooms in 2 different places both with backed off cards, then played both places with a fake name, the plan was if I got backed off at one I wouldn't play at the other anymore to avoid getting kicked out of both rooms).
Hunterhill's advice is overly paranoid. Just don't play where you stay (or do anything else to get security/surveillance called on you) is good enough for your situation.
Also, it is a hassle to get thrown out of your room, but I'd rather take that chance and have to deal with it on the spot rather than pay $1000 for a room for 5 nights, and another $1000 for food on top of that. I generally stay where I play because that's where I get my comps from.
Quote: sc15I've used backed off cards for free rooms more times than I can count. Including times where I stayed under a backed off card and played with a fake name there (that's risky, but what I did was I booked and checked into 2 rooms in 2 different places both with backed off cards, then played both places with a fake name, the plan was if I got backed off at one I wouldn't play at the other anymore to avoid getting kicked out of both rooms).
Hunterhill's advice is overly paranoid. Just don't play where you stay (or do anything else to get security/surveillance called on you) is good enough for your situation.
Also, it is a hassle to get thrown out of your room, but I'd rather take that chance and have to deal with it on the spot rather than pay $1000 for a room for 5 nights, and another $1000 for food on top of that. I generally stay where I play because that's where I get my comps from.
Everyone says play unrated everywhere I play. Do you agree? If so, is this forever?
Quote: SonuvabishEveryone says play unrated everywhere I play. Do you agree? If so, is this forever?
No I don't agree. There's plenty of value in getting comped rooms and food. And playing unrated isn't the holy grail some people make it out to be either. Playing unrated can actually GET you heat, especially if you're buying in for over a grand (almost every ploppy who buys in for that much plays rated).
That being said, you might want to play unrated or stay away from properties that use the same SIN as where you got backed off. Not sure what they use? Call the casino's surveillance department and ask (I recommend buying a prepaid phone for this purpose). What SIN (if any) a casino uses isn't exactly highly classified information, and some social engineering and a little bit of luck can get you that info.
Playing unrated also doesn't mean you won't be identified. Let me give you some examples (with identifying info removed) courtesy of a friend who works in surveillance:
xx/xx/13 – xxxxx was observed in a Las Vegas Strip property playing as a refusal on a six deck game.
xx/xx/14 – xxxxx was observed in a Nevada casino playing as a refusal. He played aggressively on a six deck game with an eight unit spread and correct indices. He left before being approached. xxxxx spent the next two days cashing in amounts under $500.00 in cheques discretely between two sister properties in different disguises including shaving his moustache.
I'm not sure what SIN this is from, but this is what all of them do. They can and will recognize you even if you're a refusal.
2 Beats me, but I don't see why they would.
3 Oregon casinos only. Has no effect elsewhere.
4 Front Money Account.. you don't have to give them much information and you draw markers against chips that are already yours.
Or wire it. Draw it in chips from the Cashier's Office. Or cashier's check,,, but be certain to ask for CHIPS not "please cash this check".
I knew of one group of three retired gentlemen who were friends and card counters. One place backed them off only after deciding they were "too greedy" card counters rather than that they were card counters. Three times in three weeks is just too often for old friends to play together like that when there are other casinos in town.
Opening a credit account at places you intend on playing at is a better idea than giving them front money. Or you could just bring cash onto the plane. TSA will not hassle you if you got a lot of cash and you're flying to vegas. Just tell em it's gambling money. Or you can stop by the bank after you land in vegas, and deposit before you go. If your bank doesn't have a branch there, open an account with chase.
Note: Stiffing a casino on a marker is a felony in NV, so don't be thinking it's a good idea to threaten to not pay back your marker when you're getting backed off thinking it'll give you leverage or something.
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3 Oregon casinos only. Has no effect elsewhere.
For what it's worth, Oregon Surveillance Network is a national network, and currently the largest network serving Las Vegas. They started in Oregon and I guess are still based there as an information sharing network among the Native American Casinos but grew to a national network. They sort of were the beneficiary of good timing when Griffin went through bankruptcy and was forced to shut down for a time, OSN was able to just swoop into Vegas and pick up many of those accounts, on their way to becoming a national presence. Now that Griffin is up and running again, they have had a difficult time getting back into the game in Vegas.
The "big" paper clips:
You likely don't want to book a room with a casino, at least a casino that uses OSN. I don't know which casinos do/don't use OSN, but I'd imagine you could get a fairly cheap room (or comped) if you played a few break-even EV sessions at a casino on boulder highway, like Eastside Cannery or Sam's Town. Hell, you might even be better off by playing VP at either of those stores to generate enough action for a room so you don't even have to play BJ there.
I would be very careful about using an MLife or TR card (actually I wouldn't) if it has been flagged...or showing ID at either of them.
It sucks, it might cost some money for a room. But that's a minor operating cost compared to getting flagged in LV and not being able to play anywhere (or as much as planned) on your trip. Your identity is #1.
Also, he's playing at a level where paying for rooms would take away a significant amount of his profit.
I swear: On my next trip to Vegas I will look for the Perfect Parcel. A non descript residence, clean, quiet, with a bank of private safes and spartan furniture to be booked by counters who don't want "heat". Some sweet young thing will come in and clean after you leave and the next card counter shows up thinking he is getting away with something.Quote: sc15Also, he's playing at a level where paying for rooms would take away a significant amount of his profit.
I sure hope not. First this "no, I don't use cards" only makes them arch their eyebrows a bit and wonder about you. Second, the value of just going along with it is pretty high in relation to what you spend for a room otherwise, not to mention meals and shuttles.Quote: SonuvabishEveryone says play unrated everywhere I play. Do you agree? If so, is this forever?
If you've sullied one name too much you might want to adopt a different name and stick with that one.
I'm pretty sure that a Floor Person in the Poker Variants, BJ, Baccarat, or Craps pit was asked he could rattle off the chips that have been slipped into everyone's pocket. The BJ guys can probably say exactly what counting system each player uses and how good they are with it.
As for TSA, my friend works for TSA. I voiced my concern over carrying large amounts of cash and he says TSA does not have civil forfeiture rights like the police EXCEPT for international travel. Taking large sums of cash out the country will get you stopped and questioned.
I took ten grand with me on the plane last month and simply held it in my hand when going through their new detectors. The guy rifled through the money with his thumb, (two seconds) to determine I didn't have any razor blades or hard objects inside. He didn't seem concerned with the size of the bills even (they were all hundreds).
TSA glanced at it and ushered me through (both coming and going.)
When I got to my Vegas hotel, they wouldn't accept it as ID because it was damaged.
I argued that even TSA accepted it in that condition to which the hostess replied, "We take security much more serious than TSA."
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I would be very careful about using an MLife or TR card (actually I wouldn't) if it has been flagged...or showing ID at either of them.
It sucks, it might cost some money for a room. But that's a minor operating cost compared to getting flagged in LV and not being able to play anywhere (or as much as planned) on your trip.
Does anyone have experience with this? Not using comps will cut deep.
Quote: FleaStiffI sure hope not. First this "no, I don't use cards" only makes them arch their eyebrows a bit and wonder about you. Second, the value of just going along with it is pretty high in relation to what you spend for a room otherwise, not to mention meals and shuttles.
If you've sullied one name too much you might want to adopt a different name and stick with that one.
I'm pretty sure that a Floor Person in the Poker Variants, BJ, Baccarat, or Craps pit was asked he could rattle off the chips that have been slipped into everyone's pocket. The BJ guys can probably say exactly what counting system each player uses and how good they are with it.
How can I use a different name and then claim the comps? A hotel is going to require ID.
As for how you use a different name and claim comps? Use the same fake ID you used to sign up for the card to check into the hotel...
Quote: sc15If your mlife or TR card is flagged at 1 property, there is a 99.9% chance using that card at another property will get you backed off almost immediately.
As for how you use a different name and claim comps? Use the same fake ID you used to sign up for the card to check into the hotel...
Can you tell me how I can LEGALLY use a fake ID? I am very interested. Like when I sign up for rewards card, they always ask me for my Driver's License. Whenever I check into a hotel, they always ask me for my Driver's License. As far as I know, carrying fake Driver's License is against the law.
pm me if necessary.
Quote: sc15If your mlife or TR card is flagged at 1 property, there is a 99.9% chance using that card at another property will get you backed off almost immediately.
As for how you use a different name and claim comps? Use the same fake ID you used to sign up for the card to check into the hotel...
I'm not following. You said I should use my card and just not play. Are you saying that I should not use it to get the hotel? Are you saying that I should, but just not play? Or are you saying, use my card for a hotel, unless it is Mlife or TR?
How can you use a fake ID to check into a hotel? You need a driver's license.
You give the floor people too much credit.Quote: FleaStiffI sure hope not. First this "no, I don't use cards" only makes them arch their eyebrows a bit and wonder about you. Second, the value of just going along with it is pretty high in relation to what you spend for a room otherwise, not to mention meals and shuttles.
If you've sullied one name too much you might want to adopt a different name and stick with that one.
I'm pretty sure that a Floor Person in the Poker Variants, BJ, Baccarat, or Craps pit was asked he could rattle off the chips that have been slipped into everyone's pocket. The BJ guys can probably say exactly what counting system each player uses and how good they are with it.
Quote: SonuvabishI'm not following. You said I should use my card and just not play. Are you saying that I should not use it to get the hotel? Are you saying that I should, but just not play? Or are you saying, use my card for a hotel, unless it is Mlife or TR?
How can you use a fake ID to check into a hotel? You need a driver's license.
I mean using it at a table will get you backed off immediately. Checking into the hotel is fine.
And generally fake IDs are fake driver's licenses..
FWIW, in the state of nevada it's only a crime to possess a fake ID with the intent of committing fraud or forgery. Using it for AP purposes shouldn't land you in too much hot water. The best thing to do when playing or staying with a fake name is:
- Only carry the ID when you absolutely have to. Eg. Signing up for the player's card. Checking into the hotel. Redeeming comps at a restaurant. Don't have it on you when you're playing if not necessary. (Unless you look young enough to get carded, then you need it)
- When checking into the hotel, when they ask you if you have any other names you want to put on the name, add your real name as a guest. If you have any problems with your key or whatever later, use your real ID to deal with it.
- If you have multiple IDs, try to only carry one max on you anytime you're in a casino. If you get caught with it, it's going to look bad if you have a stack of 30 fake IDs on you. Most of the time if police get involved and you have a fake ID, you probably won't have charges filed, but they will almost certainly confiscate the ID.
- CARRY YOUR REAL ID WITH YOU. On the off chance you're in a situation where the police get involved, and all you have is a bogus ID, you're going to go to jail. (Even for no other reason other than they'll lock you up until they verify who you actually are).
Quote: sc15I mean using it at a table will get you backed off immediately. Checking into the hotel is fine.
And generally fake IDs are fake driver's licenses..
FWIW, in the state of nevada it's only a crime to possess a fake ID with the intent of committing fraud or forgery. Using it for AP purposes shouldn't land you in too much hot water. The best thing to do when playing or staying with a fake name is:
- Only carry the ID when you absolutely have to. Eg. Signing up for the player's card. Checking into the hotel. Redeeming comps at a restaurant. Don't have it on you when you're playing if not necessary. (Unless you look young enough to get carded, then you need it)
- When checking into the hotel, when they ask you if you have any other names you want to put on the name, add your real name as a guest. If you have any problems with your key or whatever later, use your real ID to deal with it.
- If you have multiple IDs, try to only carry one max on you anytime you're in a casino. If you get caught with it, it's going to look bad if you have a stack of 30 fake IDs on you. Most of the time if police get involved and you have a fake ID, you probably won't have charges filed, but they will almost certainly confiscate the ID.
- CARRY YOUR REAL ID WITH YOU. On the off chance you're in a situation where the police get involved, and all you have is a bogus ID, you're going to go to jail. (Even for no other reason other than they'll lock you up until they verify who you actually are).
interesting. still sounds kind of risky though. maybe I will wait until I build up my bankroll a little bit so i can hire a good lawyer should I ever get into a sticky situation.
Quote: sc15I mean using it at a table will get you backed off immediately. Checking into the hotel is fine.
And generally fake IDs are fake driver's licenses..
FWIW, in the state of nevada it's only a crime to possess a fake ID with the intent of committing fraud or forgery. Using it for AP purposes shouldn't land you in too much hot water. The best thing to do when playing or staying with a fake name is:
- Only carry the ID when you absolutely have to. Eg. Signing up for the player's card. Checking into the hotel. Redeeming comps at a restaurant. Don't have it on you when you're playing if not necessary. (Unless you look young enough to get carded, then you need it)
- When checking into the hotel, when they ask you if you have any other names you want to put on the name, add your real name as a guest. If you have any problems with your key or whatever later, use your real ID to deal with it.
- If you have multiple IDs, try to only carry one max on you anytime you're in a casino. If you get caught with it, it's going to look bad if you have a stack of 30 fake IDs on you. Most of the time if police get involved and you have a fake ID, you probably won't have charges filed, but they will almost certainly confiscate the ID.
- CARRY YOUR REAL ID WITH YOU. On the off chance you're in a situation where the police get involved, and all you have is a bogus ID, you're going to go to jail. (Even for no other reason other than they'll lock you up until they verify who you actually are).
K...I feel a little better about using the card for the hotel.
How does one go about getting a fake ID?
Quote: SonuvabishK...I feel a little better about using the card for the hotel.
How does one go about getting a fake ID?
That you're going to have to figure out on your own. Got any friends who are APers who might know a source? Or a friend who's a drug dealer or bookie or something who might have those kinds of connections?
It's going to be tough to find a legit source over the web, as people who have them aren't willing to give them out to people they don't know.
Quote: sc15That you're going to have to figure out on your own. Got any friends who are APers who might know a source? Or a friend who's a drug dealer or bookie or something who might have those kinds of connections?
It's going to be tough to find a legit source over the web, as people who have them aren't willing to give them out to people they don't know.
I don't know any AP that use fakes. I'm not friends with any drug dealers or bookies.
Quote: tongniI would go with the "wear a hat and don't look at the ceiling" strategy.
Well, if i had a fake ID, I could start playing here again...at least at the ones that backed me off long ago.
