JimRockford
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February 12th, 2013 at 1:35:23 PM permalink
I have seen articles on the history of blackjack and its origins but I have seen very little on the recent history of the rules. What were the typical blackjack rules in Vegas when the city began to take off in the Ď50s? How did they evolve into the rule set that we know today? Was there a period of abrupt change, maybe as a response to Thorpís book?
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GH
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February 12th, 2013 at 2:24:22 PM permalink
Read "The Big Book of Blackjack," by Arnold Snyder. Some of the interesting "old rules" were:
* No exposed dealer card.
* Dealer could force you to double down against HIS hand.

Napoleon was very fond of these rules :)
JimRockford
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February 12th, 2013 at 2:48:24 PM permalink
Quote: GH

Read "The Big Book of Blackjack," by Arnold Snyder. Some of the interesting "old rules" were:
* No exposed dealer card.
* Dealer could force you to double down against HIS hand.

Napoleon was very fond of these rules :)



Thanks, I will check out the book. I am more interested in the games Sinatra would have played than Napoleon.
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February 12th, 2013 at 2:57:00 PM permalink
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JimRockford
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February 12th, 2013 at 8:28:27 PM permalink
Quote: GH

Read "The Big Book of Blackjack," by Arnold Snyder. Some of the interesting "old rules" were:
* No exposed dealer card.
* Dealer could force you to double down against HIS hand.

Napoleon was very fond of these rules :)



I looked at the Snyder book and it has a very interesting history of early versions of 21. However it does not contain the information I am curious about. What were the rules in the '50s, '60s and '70s. When did the surrender rules start? It seems an unlikely rule. It offers players a little better return, but few are inclined to use it correctly. Can anyone enlighten me about our game's more recent past?
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February 13th, 2013 at 6:35:49 AM permalink
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eljefe3126
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August 1st, 2020 at 2:43:24 PM permalink
I know this is a very old thread, but this is something that interests me as well. There's a little bit of this in Thorp's book, Beat the Dealer, but I'm not sure 100% how to put that into the house edge calculator on the Wizard of Odds site.

Basically, if the Rat Pack settled down for a few hands of blackjack (or "twenty one") back in the day, what would the rules be, and would they vary from casino to casino?
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August 1st, 2020 at 7:09:39 PM permalink
Before 'Beat the Dealer", the standard game was single deck, often dealt to the last card. Unlimited splits and split aces and a ten were a 3/2 BJ. I think some casinos limited doubling to 10/11, but not in Las Vegas.
eljefe3126
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August 2nd, 2020 at 12:00:56 AM permalink
What were the rules on doubling down and surrender?

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