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jjjoooggg
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July 13th, 2012 at 12:14:18 PM permalink
Well I live in Texas and there's a few casinos I can drive to. But I'm afraid I'd have to put in a lot of hours at each casino which may expose me as a counter.
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brianparkes
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July 13th, 2012 at 12:26:37 PM permalink
"The pit bosses seem paranoid like it works. Whenever I bet high the dealer says "check". Is this surveillance?"

The dealer is following procedures to let the floor supervisors know when the larger bets are out there. It is not necessarily to detect advantage play. It originates as a way to help keep the pit staff aware of their action on the tables, so they can explain to their bosses where any big wins or losses came from. It does work to help detect advantage play in that if a floor supervisor hears a call for a large wager from a player that had been wagering $5-$10, it definitely rings a few bells as to why. If the floor supervisor sees a continued pattern large bet swings, that may prompt a thourough countdown from surveillance to see if they match up with the count.

And to your later post, yes, counting at the same place over and over (even for practice) will increase your chances of detection. This is another reason why most successful advantage players travel to all the casinos and card rooms around the country.
Keyser
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July 13th, 2012 at 4:11:41 PM permalink
Quote: Jjjoog

Has anyone here successfully made money counting over the long term? I have already lost money. And I'm scared to try again. Can some of yall give your story.



Counting is really only good for break even play at best. If you can get rebates working for you, then you might make some money. If you don't tip, then you might make a little here and there. The analytical approach of counting cards is kind of a waste of time, regardless of how mathematically flawless your count is, and you'll stand out like a sore thumb.

If you're wanting to make real money playing, then you should look for hole carding opportunities, sort play + count, and ace tracking.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 13th, 2012 at 9:12:01 PM permalink
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ahiromu
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July 13th, 2012 at 9:20:40 PM permalink
To answer your question, yes a couple of small deviations from BS can most definitely destroy your small edge.
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Keyser
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July 13th, 2012 at 10:04:35 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Ask yourself this, if it didn't work, why in the hell would casinos sweat the money and barr counters? I've been doing it for over 13 years and its way better than break even.



It worked years ago, but not now. The edge is simply too low, and the mode of play is very easy to spot, even at the El Cortez :)

Players are still banned, but not always for the reasons that most players think. Casinos will sometimes still ban BJ counters because they see them as someone that's willing to cheat within their casino in order to gain an edge. They feel that if the counter is willing to cheat at BJ, then they may be willing to cheat or steal from other games and players as well. They view counters as people of low moral fiber or parasites. So they may occasionally choose to ban them, whether they are winning or not. Often times, the casino will simply put a note on the players card account - instructing the pit to notify someone at ext. xxxx in security whenever they play, and will will label them as a suspected cheat.

These days, the big AP blackjack players are doing other things where they can get a real edge. Rather than perfecting your count, you would be better served developing some new card skills, outside of the obvious.
kewlj
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July 14th, 2012 at 12:58:19 AM permalink
Second time you have posted this nonsense, Keyser, and it's just not true. Sure it's not as easy as it was years ago (before my time) but the basic principals of card counting still work. You just have to work a little harder to overcome the bigger initial house advantage. Work a little harder, be creative and have a larger bankroll to accommodate the large swings involved. I have supported myself for 8 and a half years now from card counting AP. I network with 6 other professional or semi professional players also based in Vegas, and know many more through the greenchip membership of BJ21.

It is true that some former solo card counters have moved on to other things. Some to hole carding. Some to poker. Some now participate in team play. Some travel all over the country seeking out the best games and/or promotions.

As for hole-carding, I did some hole-carding, several years ago, after I first moved to Vegas. Scouted, found and compiled a list of flashers, much as I scout games now for penetration. Even kept track of the shifts they were working. I didn't care for winning this way and went back to mostly straight counting. I am not going to say it is cheating, as the casino is responsible for it's weak dealers, and frankly the casino industry deserves whatever it gets, but again, I didn't care for winning that way. If I run across a dealer that I can read, I will use the information, but I no longer specifically seek them out.
weaselman
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July 14th, 2012 at 5:26:31 AM permalink
It depends on what you call "works". I voted "yes", but it really depends ...
From my experience, with an adequate bankroll, of at least 20K, and with some resolve and dedication, you should be able to more or less consistently turn a profit of about 10-15 bucks per hour. You do have to really pay attention though, and be good at it. If you make only one mistake an hour, on average, that will not only negate all your advantage, but will actually make you worse off than if you just used the BS.
My problem with this (and the reason, I stopped doing it almost completely some years ago) is that it just feels too much like work. I guess, some people are better at this then others, and can just do it effortlessly, wile still having fun. Myself - not so much. I was pretty good at it, but I had to really work for it. And the thing is, there are lots of much easier ways to make that measly $15/hr wage. If I needed money that badly, I'd just pick up some consulting work on the side, or did some extra hours at my day job.
I go to casinos to have fun, not to work to earn minimum wage.
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heather
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July 14th, 2012 at 6:40:22 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Sure it's not as easy as it was years ago (before my time) but the basic principals of card counting still work. You just have to work a little harder to overcome the bigger initial house advantage.



I'd be inclined to agree with that. When Darwin Ortiz says that he can make money playing Blackjack, I believe him without question. Check out some of his card cheating videos -- the guy is amazing. I'd never sit down at any card table with him unless he was wanting to teach me magic tricks.
Ibeatyouraces
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July 14th, 2012 at 7:41:19 AM permalink
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