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AxelWolf
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October 14th, 2016 at 9:45:54 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Feel free to jump in on any suggestions/convo's.

Oh boy!

Ya I'm going to suggest that my team and anyone else that normally bets the 1/2 points lay low this week due to Romes jinxing effect ☺.
At least see what GWAE is betting first.
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October 14th, 2016 at 9:47:08 AM permalink
Gotta be data - driven ,not emotional, no matter how crazy a pick appears.

I say this is our week.

I'm also in contention for the you suck prize. So take m7 advice for what it's worth, but they wouldn't be my picks (which is kinda the point ). :)
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October 14th, 2016 at 9:52:28 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

...Ya I'm going to suggest that my team and anyone else that normally bets the 1/2 points lay low this week due to Romes jinxing effect ☺...

Solid info... However Mike said he might need assistance getting the bets in... So would you or anyone else available to you be able to get out bets in? PM or text me to figure the stuff out.

Anyone else in Vegas willing to put some bets in? I figure we can safely bet the team money this way by having the person bet their own money (~$250) and get re-reimbursed from the Wizard, which we know will happen. This isn't necessary just yet, but just taking stock of all our options on getting the bets in.
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October 14th, 2016 at 9:53:03 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



I say this is our week.

Nail in the coffin.
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October 14th, 2016 at 10:44:35 AM permalink
I was 4-2 last week. I am on fire.

We have 250ish. I say we break that into 10 $25 bets.

1 7 teamer
1 6 teamer minus the bottom one
Then 8 4 and 5 teamers
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October 14th, 2016 at 10:49:10 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I was 4-2 last week. I am on fire.

We have 250ish. I say we break that into 10 $25 bets.

1 7 teamer
1 6 teamer minus the bottom one
Then 8 4 and 5 teamers



All I need to know is who I need to win and how much we will if they do...

Based on Mike's statement I think we should move forward on this week as well.
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October 14th, 2016 at 11:30:06 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Nail in the coffin.



My exact point, smart guy.
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October 16th, 2016 at 4:32:12 AM permalink
So do we have anything going?
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October 16th, 2016 at 4:37:46 AM permalink
Should have been adding in college games BR would have been in the thousands by now.
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October 16th, 2016 at 9:35:07 AM permalink
I guess that's a no. Sad face
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October 16th, 2016 at 2:34:16 PM permalink
Sigh!
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October 16th, 2016 at 4:04:04 PM permalink
I hope you guys managed to get somebody to follow my picks! As I write this of the seven mentioned picks there are 5 wins, Dallas +4.5 is looking good (20-9 Dallas in the 4th quarter) and Indy +3.5 is the Sunday Night game.

Unfortunately, I didn't get any cards in due to going out of town. More on that in this post.
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October 16th, 2016 at 4:29:41 PM permalink
Doubt it because didn't see anyone write about it- I'm down to eating mcdonalds- how can I collect my winnings from wiz?
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October 16th, 2016 at 4:38:23 PM permalink
Mark a win for Dallas +4.5 (final score 30-16). 5-0 with one game left to play.
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:03:54 PM permalink
I really really hope Indy gets crushed tonight. If they win our $250 would have been turned into approx 3 grand
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:42:28 PM permalink
Seems like the whole pooling money became a disaster
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:47:05 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Seems like the whole pooling money became a disaster



This is going to be sour if Indy +3.5 covers. However, nobody should blame Romes. I can testify that he at least tried to get me to put cards in.
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:48:57 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This is going to be sour if Indy +3.5 covers. However, nobody should blame Romes. I can testify that he at least tried to get me to put cards in.



We can blame romes for not posting in here that he needed help.
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:49:57 PM permalink
I'm not in. Vegas full time but would it really be hard to get 250 in cards put in
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October 16th, 2016 at 5:58:46 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

We can blame romes for not posting in here that he needed help.



No we can't. I believe he reached out to those members who live here and know what a parlay card is.
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October 16th, 2016 at 6:50:41 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

No we can't. I believe he reached out to those members who live here and know what a parlay card is.



All he had to do was post in here and it would have been handled.

Before we hold judgment we can wait until Romes makes an appearance. Maybe he got them in, he hasn't been on here for a few days.
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October 16th, 2016 at 7:09:54 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Before we hold judgment we can wait until Romes makes an appearance.



I agree.
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October 16th, 2016 at 7:26:02 PM permalink
Maybe he got backroomed for some AP play and he's still locked in there.
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October 16th, 2016 at 9:01:48 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

All he had to do was post in here and it would have been handled.

Before we hold judgment we can wait until Romes makes an appearance. Maybe he got them in, he hasn't been on here for a few days.



I feel he would have posted, had he gotten them in. Regardless, no big deal. Shit happens. No one knows what happened yet. Hopefully all is ok on his end and nothing is causing him to go silent.
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:37:20 AM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

I feel he would have posted, had he gotten them in.

I hear the WiFi sucks @ the Downtowner Motel. On a good note, $250 goes a long way around there.
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October 17th, 2016 at 4:27:35 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Seems like the whole pooling money became a disaster



Said this in the other thread, but bears repeating.

Quote:

I think starting a strawman argument of resentment among the team is counterproductive. Be upset if you want, but don't sour the fun with stuff like this on the board. If we didn't get bets down, we didn't. Shrug. On to next week.

If I'd been in Vegas, I'd have placed the bets. I wasn't. Probably true for most of us. Maybe those who are local or likely to be there at the right time could sign up each weekend in a thread, and we'd have a group to draw from as runners if it looks to be THE weekend . Wizard can escrow if he's willing. We're only talking a little over $200.

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October 17th, 2016 at 4:31:35 AM permalink
Not sure if that was directed towards me but I was not in Vegas or I would have put it down in a second...... I was enjoying the beach in your home state!!!!!!!
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October 17th, 2016 at 4:35:19 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Not sure if that was directed towards me but I was not in Vegas or I would have put it down in a second...... I was enjoying the beach in your home state!!!!!!!



I misunderstood you then. Or read the wrong name on the post . Sorry - I'll edit that out.

Edit fwiw:
Quote: Wizardofnothing

I'm not in. Vegas full time but would it really be hard to get 250 in cards put in



Thought you were saying you were Vegas full time.

You picked a beautiful weekend. Hope you enjoyed it!
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October 17th, 2016 at 6:39:09 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

We can blame romes for not posting in here that he needed help.

It's been made clear I'm not in Vegas. I reached out to the Wizard and after finding out he would be out of town I reached out to Axel with no response.

Also, I posted this in the thread a couple pages ago:

Quote: Romes - October 14th, 2016 at 12:52:28 PM

Anyone else in Vegas willing to put some bets in? I figure we can safely bet the team money this way by having the person bet their own money (~$250) and get re-reimbursed from the Wizard, which we know will happen. This isn't necessary just yet, but just taking stock of all our options on getting the bets in.

This is when I'd sent a text to Axel and was trying to make sure we had options to bet, but no one responded to me on any platform/level.
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October 17th, 2016 at 6:43:57 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

It's been made clear I'm not in Vegas. I reached out to the Wizard and after finding out he would be out of town I reached out to Axel with no response.



Thanks for trying. Again, I can vouch that he asked me and I suggested Axel. I absolutely feel Romes is not to blame here.

Sad though, we would have made 25x-100x our money had we got those cards in, depending on the mix of 5, 6, and 7-teamers, assuming the cards were approved. I heard second hand WH was being very picky last weekend.
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October 17th, 2016 at 6:57:14 AM permalink
I can confirm wh being very picky , also axel phone may have been in a dead zone before anyone blames him because I reached out 2-3 times over last few days and it went directly to voicemail
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October 17th, 2016 at 7:07:53 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

It's been made clear I'm not in Vegas. I reached out to the Wizard and after finding out he would be out of town I reached out to Axel with no response.

Also, I posted this in the thread a couple pages ago:

This is when I'd sent a text to Axel and was trying to make sure we had options to bet, but no one responded to me on any platform/level.



I appologize. I missed or had forgotten about this post.

Owell I guess we missed our hookers and blow.
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October 17th, 2016 at 8:13:46 AM permalink
25k is rough to lose though that would have been a nice check per person
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October 17th, 2016 at 8:17:42 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

25k is rough to lose though that would have been a nice check per person



It wouldn't have been that much. The entire amount wouldn't have been on the 7 teamer.probably a good 8k though.
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October 17th, 2016 at 8:19:50 AM permalink
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October 17th, 2016 at 10:10:52 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks for trying. Again, I can vouch that he asked me and I suggested Axel. I absolutely feel Romes is not to blame here.

Sad though, we would have made 25x-100x our money had we got those cards in, depending on the mix of 5, 6, and 7-teamers, assuming the cards were approved. I heard second hand WH was being very picky last weekend.


Wiz can you clarify what you mean by getting the cards approved? Our pool action is $250 that would have been split amongst several cards at say $50 or so each. Are the Sports Books really afraid of $50 action on Parlay cards? If so, why do they offer them?
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October 17th, 2016 at 10:12:49 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

It wouldn't have been that much. The entire amount wouldn't have been on the 7 teamer.probably a good 8k though.


Is there ever a tax reporting requirement on Sports Wagers?
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October 17th, 2016 at 10:16:44 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Is there ever a tax reporting requirement on Sports Wagers?



If so, it's pretty simple to take care of. We will
Simply deduct the tax amount from winnings total and give that to the person who is responsible to pay it....
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October 17th, 2016 at 10:20:27 AM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

That's enough for 100 virgins from Thailand

"virgins"

Quote: mrsuit31

If so, it's pretty simple to take care of. We will
Simply deduct the tax amount from winnings total and give that to the person who is responsible to pay it....

Well, if the person is a professional gambler and itemizes at the end of the year they can pull their "loss statements" from certain casinos and basically get the taxed amount back at the end of the year. So you'd be paying them the tax amount + win amount.

It's tough, and depends on how whomever gets taxed does their own taxes, which isn't something I should think the rest of the forums would be prevue to.
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October 17th, 2016 at 11:07:35 AM permalink
Early planning would be smart, a plan with a backup person would be a good idea because stuff comes up last minute.
Should've been planning weeks ago.

I was out of town(I have lots of witnesses) many people were out of town this weekend for one reason or another, I didn't respond because I left my dam cell phone at the airport, I'll be retrieving it today.

Had you PM'ed me or posted up on the forum I would've contacted someone, if I didn't respond I'm 90% sure someone else would've responded and stepped up. I can think of a few competent trustworthy people that can get this done.

I suggest planning NOW for next weekend just have people ready if there's enough games available, if not then plan for the next weekend.

I actually suggest more than one person because it's hard enough to get enough down as I already got cut off at one location and bets are getting rejected.

Rudeboyoi, Pinittowinit, Maxpen, Mootson, Drich, are quickly just a few off the top of my head that live in vegas that I would ask. There's a bunch more I didn't mention because they are already doing stuff.
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October 17th, 2016 at 11:27:17 AM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Wiz can you clarify what you mean by getting the cards approved? Our pool action is $250 that would have been split amongst several cards at say $50 or so each. Are the Sports Books really afraid of $50 action on Parlay cards? If so, why do they offer them?



Yes, they often are afraid of $50 parlay cards. Many places will take only one or two for that amount if every pick is on the hot side. The reason I keep mentioning the William Hill card is they have so many outlets, the odds are competitive, but most importantly they are the easiest to get them in. Still, I've had them limit me to about four or five sometimes. I think it has a lot to do with who is calling the shots wherever they get approved, which is off-site somewhere.
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October 17th, 2016 at 11:41:05 AM permalink
What is the threshold of parlay card bet that you can always get down without a call offsite? I hope the answer is $10 because if they are making calls on every $10 Parlay Card, I am not sure why they have them.

Does that mean we have to travel to 5 WH locations and put $10 in for each combination? I will be in town for the TG Conference in 4 weeks if we have to wait that long for another shot...what I learned from last week is that we should wait for Wiz to give us the bet recommendations, even if that means waiting for a few more weeks...we get another kick at the can and if the bets had not worked out this week, we all would have been glad they didn't get made.
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:15:34 PM permalink
Paradigm,

We can probably get the full $50 amounts on a few of them, but since we want to get 5 or 6 parlay cards that might be the problem. Some places don't like the $50 amounts, but as the Wiz said others will let you do a couple, but after 2-3 they might turn you down. This is where it might help to have more than one person and/or more than one location.
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:16:26 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes, they often are afraid of $50 parlay cards. Many places will take only one or two for that amount if every pick is on the hot side. The reason I keep mentioning the William Hill card is they have so many outlets, the odds are competitive, but most importantly they are the easiest to get them in. Still, I've had them limit me to about four or five sometimes. I think it has a lot to do with who is calling the shots wherever they get approved, which is off-site somewhere.

They really start cracking down after a few bettors side winning weeks. We are doing it a bit different from you. I got cut off after 1 card a few weeks ago because winning the week prior.

I honestly wonder if they will crack down this week even more.
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:28:33 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

...
I suggest planning NOW for next weekend just have people ready if there's enough games available, if not then plan for the next weekend.

I actually suggest more than one person because it's hard enough to get enough down as I already got cut off at one location and bets are getting rejected.

Rudeboyoi, Pinittowinit, Maxpen, Mootson, Drich, are quickly just a few off the top of my head that live in vegas that I would ask. There's a bunch more I didn't mention because they are already doing stuff.

Sounds like Axel is volunteering himself and others to be backups in case Mike can't get our cards in (or he might not want to if he's also betting them for himself)?
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:29:51 PM permalink
Does it matter- last week was perfect storm- mike was right on all of them and they couldn't get down-
Next time will prolly be a. Bust out
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October 17th, 2016 at 12:35:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

They really start cracking down after a few bettors side winning weeks. We are doing it a bit different from you. I got cut off after 1 card a few weeks ago because winning the week prior.

I honestly wonder if they will crack down this week even more.



Do you present a WH card when you bet? I usually don't. You can see there are cameras at every outlet. I suspect that they deal to faces.

They must have gotten killed last week. Every hot side hit. I predict the next good week will be even tougher to get bets in.

I need a new advantage play (something for another thread).
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October 17th, 2016 at 2:38:50 PM permalink
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That's enough for 100 virgins from Thailand


or one virgin a hundred times?
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October 17th, 2016 at 4:04:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Do you present a WH card when you bet? I usually don't. You can see there are cameras at every outlet. I suspect that they deal to faces.

They must have gotten killed last week. Every hot side hit. I predict the next good week will be even tougher to get bets in.

I need a new advantage play (something for another thread).

Absolutely not.

I normally don't actually put the bets in or anything myself. We do it the morning of, and that's way to early to be getting up.
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October 18th, 2016 at 2:10:24 PM permalink
Mike, I hope you don't mind discussing in the open thread, but perhaps the transparency will keep everyone in the loop... What's the plan for the next good week? Are you going to try yourself to get the bets in, or would you need help no matter what? And if that's the case, Axel could you and/or other locals assist in getting them in?

Just trying to figure out our options so we don't have a repeat...
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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