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mrsuit31
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September 14th, 2016 at 3:32:03 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I had mentioned a few times earlier and never really had a response. I am willing to join the team but I am not sure I want to prior to knowing our bet. With people giving Romes proxies he is kinda holding all the cards. I know Romes is an AP but he may wish to bet 100% on a 2 team parlay with the biggest underdogs to win for a huge payout.

My opinion is that we should have multiple bets, kinda like a mutual fund. Say we have $200. Maybe do 4 $40 .5 parlay bets, 1 5 team parlay, and 1 "lock" single bet that could be parlayed into more bets if we strike out.

We could also fade a few of our favorite touts on here.

Btw, I think I have $23 in winnings.



No changes will be made to the strategy. It's Romes/wiz, so there is a check system kinda. Mike isn't bias anymore because he's already out of the money and has a stake in the result now as well... We are removing all complication possible, period. It's the only way to do this.
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GWAE
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September 14th, 2016 at 3:41:28 PM permalink
Quote: mrsuit31

No changes will be made to the strategy. It's Romes/wiz, so there is a check system kinda. Mike isn't bias anymore because he's already out of the money and has a stake in the result now as well... We are removing all complication possible, period. It's the only way to do this.



Am I missing it somewhere? What is the strategy. I thought I read the bet will be decided on later.
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September 14th, 2016 at 3:50:36 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I had mentioned a few times earlier and never really had a response. I am willing to join the team but I am not sure I want to prior to knowing our bet. With people giving Romes proxies he is kinda holding all the cards. I know Romes is an AP but he may wish to bet 100% on a 2 team parlay with the biggest underdogs to win for a huge payout.

My opinion is that we should have multiple bets, kinda like a mutual fund. Say we have $200. Maybe do 4 $40 .5 parlay bets, 1 5 team parlay, and 1 "lock" single bet that could be parlayed into more bets if we strike out.

We could also fade a few of our favorite touts on here.

Btw, I think I have $23 in winnings.



If this was formed as a long term cooperation, I would agree with this approach. But that is not what this is all about.

Each member of the team has been 'given' some money, but none of us has been given much of consequence. Therefore, we are pooling our money, and letting one or two of the group (Wiz/Romes) decide on a good bet(s) where we have a chance of turning it into something much larger. It is also something that does not need to drag out, as that would be too complicated and time consuming, especially for the relatively small amount of money that is being discussed.
I have inferred that Romes would like to conclude this in the week he is in Vegas.

I expect the bet will be something that gives us a decent sized payout, with a reasonable chance of success,
somewhere between
- buying 500 Lotto tickets (BIG payout, little chance of win)

- putting 500 on a sure bet game (Little gain, BIG chance of win)
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September 14th, 2016 at 4:04:12 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

If this was formed as a long term cooperation, I would agree with this approach. But that is not what this is all about.

Each member of the team has been 'given' some money, but none of us has been given much of consequence. Therefore, we are pooling our money, and letting one or two of the group (Wiz/Romes) decide on a good bet(s) where we have a chance of turning it into something much larger. It is also something that does not need to drag out, as that would be too complicated and time consuming, especially for the relatively small amount of money that is being discussed.
I have inferred that Romes would like to conclude this in the week he is in Vegas.

I expect the bet will be something that gives us a decent sized payout, with a reasonable chance of success,
somewhere between
- buying 500 Lotto tickets (BIG payout, little chance of win)

- putting 500 on a sure bet game (Little gain, BIG chance of win)



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September 14th, 2016 at 4:11:06 PM permalink
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Okay okay... We've succumb to a massive windfall! WE WON! Now there's a few questions and things that need to get put in order... I'd like to do this as democratically as possible, since it's all of our money, but that tends to lead to indecisive decisions, delays, headaches and non fun for all involved. So let's get a few things straight:

1) Regardless of how much you individually won in the Cooperation Game, you would not have done so without the help of many of us consistently bidding low to ensure the group success. It took an equal effort from all and in that spirit REGARDLESS of how much you won individually everyone will be splitting the winnings of any and all bets made equally.

editWas brought to my attention that charlie wants to donate $8 to the cause and then the remainder (~$10) to Mike/Charity. Unforutnately we have no way of knowing if this is the case, but in seeing the best in people and not the worse I'd like to believe him and let this type of case be okay to participate as well. I wouldn't ever want to stop someone from donating to Mike who ran the contest or to a charity cause. If others disagree then let it be known in the thread, otherwise that's that.

Mike...If you're in and up for helping control the flow of the money/pool/etc then would it be possible to let us know if someone doesn't transfer the full amount to the group and/or if the remainder did not go to you/charity?

2) Mike took a decent amount of effort/time to set this up, sift through all of the PM's, etc, etc. I proposed in the other thread, and it was well received by several posters already, that we will be giving Mike an equal share of the pie. He will ride or die with his forums! By agreeing to be part of this parlay pool you're agreeing to have Mike gain an equal share with the rest of us.

3) I wanted to put all the funds in escrow with Mike, but if everyone is okay with them being escrowed with me, then I will hold them until we decide on the bets. Since we haven't yet confirmed with Mike, PM him and say that you would like to WizPay your funds to the Parlay Pool (Romes), which will for now be me. ANYONE PARTICIPATING IN THIS MUST TRANSFER ALL FUNDS FROM THE COOPERATION GAME. I mean really though, who wants to transfer $10 then keep $3 for themselves? We'll be able to tell based off the number of players and the total amount we get escrowed... We're an intelligent group, and all in this together, so let's act like it.

4) I will be in Vegas just after G2E, so the end of September and the beginning of October (about 2 weeks). I say we plan to do our bets then, and I (hopefully in the company of Mike) will place the bets... So if you're looking for 1/2 point parlays or other bets let's start looking at our options for this point in time. This should be perfect because no one is rushed this week, yet it's not too far away.

5) Only those that participated in more than 2 rounds of the game are eligible. Sorry to those eliminated early, but since you didn't participate there I don't believe it entitles you to an equal slice here. We should have somewhere around 36 people eligible to participate in the Parlay Pool.

6) Select from the options above for the actual bet(s)... If you select other, please specifiy in the thread and if it gets enough traction then we'll know what direction the group is heading. I say we finalize "what" we want to bet on (NFL probably) by the end of this week so we can start focusing on what the actual bets will be.

If I missed anything, please just post in the thread!

OMG! CliffNotes please.
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As I said from the beginning, after romes mentioned some longshot(usually associated with -EV), we should ASK Mike or someone to put in some +EV parlays, since he and others are betting them anyways, I suggest waiting for a good week where there's lots of value.

We could build up the bankroll a little on +EV situations while waiting for a good week on the 1/2 parlays

There's also a few opportunities around town (LV) that can be very safely AP'ed (I can almost guarantee no losses) and get a 30% to 90% return on the money. Normally it's not worth the time and effort to do, as it takes 3 or 4 days and a little coordinating, and of course there's a cap to the amount. But for fun and the team(excluding ass hats), I would be willing to do it as long as I was given a little leeway on the timeline(perhaps a week to 10 days). I don't actually need to collect the funds I just need to know who's in and the total BR is.

P.S. I think we should disallow 2F to play in any of the reindeer games.
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September 14th, 2016 at 4:11:48 PM permalink
I will most likely be joining but like I said, before I agree I just want to make sure we aernt doing a long shot with low chance of winning. I am hoping we can do a few .5 parlay cards. Again I would prefer that there were a few different ones done and not just all or nothing on 1 bet.
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September 14th, 2016 at 4:14:43 PM permalink
Is 2f in or out?
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mrsuit31
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September 14th, 2016 at 4:17:11 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I will most likely be joining but like I said, before I agree I just want to make sure we aernt doing a long shot with low chance of winning. I am hoping we can do a few .5 parlay cards. Again I would prefer that there were a few different ones done and not just all or nothing on 1 bet.



I'm sure Mike and Romes are listening and I'm sure this will influence their decision, but everyone who hops on board has to understand that regardless of the decision, it is fully 100% at their discretion.
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September 14th, 2016 at 4:24:34 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

OMG! CliffNotes please.


The abbreviated version is the team pools and lets mike/romes (full discretion) decide a bet/s to place and post publicly. Then winnings are distributed in equal shares including an extra share for Mike and Charity.

The list on the OP is the active list of people already on board and funds transferred.
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September 14th, 2016 at 5:25:41 PM permalink
How things could work out:

1) I count 22 Members that won between $6 - $14. Their tally is around $200. Let's assume 80% participate in the pool. That gives approximately 18 people contributing around $160 to the pool.
2) There are 16 Members that won between $15 - $25. Their tally is around $290. Let's assume 50% participate in the pool. That gives approximately 8 more contributors bringing an additional $145 to the pool.
3) Round down and we ought to have a BR of $300ish with 24 participants + Wiz + Charity gives us 26 Slices of Pie.
4) To make this interesting, my guess is we need a Slice of Pie to equate to $50 or more, which means we are going to turn $300 into at least $1,300.

A three team parlay bet is going to pay 6 to 1/6.5 to 1. The Half Point three team parlay is going to pay 5 to 1/5.5 to 1. Both pays are based on WoO Parlay page and the exact payout depends on where the bet is placed.

$300 obviously turns into somewhere between $1,500 or $1,950 depending on the option taken above. Rooting for three ATS winners selected by the collective minds of Wiz/Romes seems like the right way to take a shot at getting something between $57 - $75 per slice and a heck of a lot of fun for a "free roll".

If someone wants a shot at 3000-1 shot with a 12 leg parlay and a very unlikely chance of success, they can opt for that once they get their Slice. My vote is to give ourselves a reasonable shot of winning and going beyond three teams ATS seems to be pushing that envelope. Just my two cents, Wiz & Romes have the final decision.

To make it really interesting, Romes/Wiz could PM poll the top 3 finishers from the last three WoV Picks Seasons and see what they think are the best games against the spread that week. Combine that with Wiz/Romes decision making process and we would have accessed a lot of the NFL picking talent from the Forum.
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September 14th, 2016 at 6:53:46 PM permalink
Back about 3 weeks ago, I was briefly listed by mrsuit31 as part of a team. Then, I read (or misread) some posts that made me think that the team rules were being changed after people signed on. I commented on my reservations and was subsequently dropped from that list.

As I now read (or misread) recent posts, I think that (1) the teaming of players to coordinate their picks during the 8 rounds and (2) the teaming of players to pool their funds for a parlay bet are/were independent teaming agreements. Is that correct? I ask this because I want to be clear on whether I am eligible/invited to participate in the parlay follow-on to the cooperation game. (Did I P.O. folks by listing my picks as "undisclosed" while the game was on-going?)

As I posted before, I (think that I) won $11 from my 8 picks, and I was in a two-party team for the last 6 rounds. From that mini-team, since I was picking low most of the time while my partner picked high, our split should net me an additional $5.50. My teammate has PMed me stating that he would ask the Wizard to transfer that amount to me, but I have not yet heard from the Wizard. If that goes through as expected, I will have $16.50 that I could add to the pool, which is more than most players. I have not sent such a transfer request to the Wizard because (1) I'm not completely sure that I am invited and (2) I want to know that I have the full $16.50 in my account so that I can transfer it all at one time, if that's the way this proceeds.

Am I reading and handling this appropriately? If so, and if/when I can get my account transferred, I will be in support of providing a cut of the pool for the Wizard and a cut for the selected charity, and I would authorize the Wizard/Romes collaborated expertise to include my contribution when throwing away our money parlaying in a +EV manner to make some significant dough. BTW, I am still not interested in hookers and blow.
mrsuit31
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September 14th, 2016 at 7:15:57 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Back about 3 weeks ago, I was briefly listed by mrsuit31 as part of a team. Then, I read (or misread) some posts that made me think that the team rules were being changed after people signed on. I commented on my reservations and was subsequently dropped from that list.

As I now read (or misread) recent posts, I think that (1) the teaming of players to coordinate their picks during the 8 rounds and (2) the teaming of players to pool their funds for a parlay bet are/were independent teaming agreements. Is that correct? I ask this because I want to be clear on whether I am eligible/invited to participate in the parlay follow-on to the cooperation game. (Did I P.O. folks by listing my picks as "undisclosed" while the game was on-going?)


Yes, independent. Nope you can join if you like. We said earlier, no harm no foul in the last team effort.

Quote: Doc

As I posted before, I (think that I) won $11 from my 8 picks, and I was in a two-party team for the last 6 rounds. From that mini-team, since I was picking low most of the time while my partner picked high, our split should net me an additional $5.50. My teammate has PMed me stating that he would ask the Wizard to transfer that amount to me, but I have not yet heard from the Wizard. If that goes through as expected, I will have $16.50 that I could add to the pool, which is more than most players. I have not sent such a transfer request to the Wizard because (1) I'm not completely sure that I am invited and (2) I want to know that I have the full $16.50 in my account so that I can transfer it all at one time, if that's the way this proceeds.



Some others like myself who have higher amounts, so come on board.

Quote: Doc

Am I reading and handling this appropriately? If so, and if/when I can get my account transferred, I will be in support of providing a cut of the pool for the Wizard and a cut for the selected charity, and I would authorize the Wizard/Romes collaborated expertise to include my contribution when throwing away our money parlaying in a +EV manner to make some significant dough.



Just to be clear, they may select a -EV bet/s if they so choose ;). If your on board you know the deal.

Quote: Doc

BTW, I am still not interested in hookers and blow.



Romes will be upset by this, but its ok.
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September 14th, 2016 at 7:47:40 PM permalink
Quote: RaleighCraps

I'd like to suggest that we create one more share for the charity.



I'm in -- has this clause been accepted?
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September 14th, 2016 at 8:38:09 PM permalink
Woah that's quickly a lot of pages lol. Tldr yet. Anyways I assume I have to PM the wiz to send the money for the pool. I think I won $7. I think the 1/2 pt parlay cards are best idea. Potential of big score and something that's already discussed on here.
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September 14th, 2016 at 8:47:42 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

I'm in -- has this clause been accepted?



Yes, mike and charity share are in. If your in PM mike and send the moolah to Romes.

Quote: rudeboyoi

Woah that's quickly a lot of pages lol. Tldr yet. Anyways I assume I have to PM the wiz to send the money for the pool. I think I won $7. I think the 1/2 pt parlay cards are best idea. Potential of big score and something that's already discussed on here.



Same deal. Make sure you understand the group terms and if you do and want in. Send the finds to Romes and express the voting proxy to Romes/mike and you'll be added to the list by romes
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September 14th, 2016 at 8:49:01 PM permalink
K. Read thru it all. Sent the wiz my PM to send all my winnings to Romes pool. Voted for 1/2 pt parlay card.
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September 14th, 2016 at 10:58:40 PM permalink
Just put in my instructions to Mike to send my winnings to the parlay pool. Should be $16.
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September 14th, 2016 at 11:54:53 PM permalink
Not going to quote doc's long post, and he has an answer, but I don't think anybody who played the game is NOT invited to pool. Strictly voluntary for all, and playing you agree to the rules by default.

Seems like a fun double free roll care of Mike. Hope we get so any folks they balk at running all the cards.

Also voting for the half point parlay bets, but if it's a strong week, I'd like to see some 4 and 5 team bets in there, not just 3. Otoh, the point of having experts doing the Picks for value is lost if we lock them in to a particular frame. So I support the Wizard making the best choices based on whatever that week offers.
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:23:17 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Not going to quote doc's long post, and he has an answer, but I don't think anybody who played the game is NOT invited to pool. Strictly voluntary for all, and playing you agree to the rules by default.

Seems like a fun double free roll care of Mike. Hope we get so any folks they balk at running all the cards.

Also voting for the half point parlay bets, but if it's a strong week, I'd like to see some 4 and 5 team bets in there, not just 3. Otoh, the point of having experts doing the Picks for value is lost if we lock them in to a particular frame. So I support the Wizard making the best choices based on whatever that week offers.

So not only do the greedy get rewarded for being greedy, but we are going to buy them Ice cream too?
Let's bend over twice.....Interesting concept.

Reminds me of this song.... SelfEsteem:

I wrote her off for the tenth time today
And practiced all the things I would say
But she came over, I lost my nerve
I took her back and made her dessert
Now I know I'm being used
That's okay, man, 'cause I like the abuse


Notable lyric: "I'm just a sucker with no self esteem"
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:26:25 AM permalink
Whatever, Axel. I'm throwing my big 8 in there, so I can afford to be generous with pool money.
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:31:19 AM permalink
I am in. I sent Romes and Wiz the appropriate pm's and look forward to winning more.

A college game or two could be included.....
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September 15th, 2016 at 1:01:53 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Whatever, Axel. I'm throwing my big 8 in there, so I can afford to be generous with pool money.

I'll take the whatever Axel as in you know I'm right and there's no denying what I'm saying.

We really didn't have a choice if we wanted to get Mike's money. Some people didn't give us a choice and always bid high and wouldn't cooperate. Now we have a choice.

I have an idea for t-shirts for the guys who always/ mostly bid high and keep their full share and then get to add it to a +EV pool.
They should wear them to the next WOV meetup. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/338/301/a6c.jpg

P.S. I wasn't directing my comment at YOU personally, I just happen to quote you after reading your come one, come all post.
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September 15th, 2016 at 3:27:58 AM permalink
Axel, I done be confused. You don't think greedy people should be included? I would think the non greedy people will now benefit from the greedy as those amounts will really push up the prize pool.
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September 15th, 2016 at 4:30:08 AM permalink
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Axel, I done be confused. You don't think greedy people should be included? I would think the non greedy people will now benefit from the greedy as those amounts will really push up the prize pool.

You're assuming they will be investing a higher amount and will be getting an equal amount as everyone else if we win? If that's the case yes they should be included (not because I would have more value but because they are sharing when the don't have to). Again ,I wasn't talking about anyone specifically. Was it Doc who chose randomly? I didn't /don't consider that greedy.

I think people who purposely bid high a majority of the time planning on keeping the rewards for themselves or getting the full percentage on their long shot investment were "greedy". If no one fits that category then it doesn't apply to them. People know the truth.

I know Grandpa SeePoo (-; and others, and I don't really think they are greedy or rats. I wouldn't ever seriously judge someone for how they played a silly game. Hell, I can't play monopoly or poker without someone wanting to kill me.

I'm sure there were a few people who don't actually play fair/well with others in RL. People probably know who them guys might be.

I'm not even sure if I'm joining team parlay, we do the parlays anyways for significantly larger amounts. So I'll probably have action on most of the games anyways. I'll probably see Mike soon enough, and I too, like soopoo, will probably engage in some (IMO) +EV prop bets or something. I'll get to rub it in multiple times. If he wins a bet here and there, I'll just say it was free money.
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September 15th, 2016 at 4:50:27 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Was it Doc who chose randomly?


Nope. I posted the details of my strategy and picks here.
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September 15th, 2016 at 4:56:01 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You're assuming they will be investing a higher amount and will be getting an equal amount as everyone else if we win? If that's the case yes they should be included (not because I would have more value but because they are sharing when the don't have to). Again ,I wasn't talking about anyone specifically. Was it Doc who chose randomly? I didn't /don't consider that greedy.

I think people who purposely bid high a majority of the time planning on keeping the rewards for themselves or getting the full percentage on their long shot investment were "greedy". If no one fits that category then it doesn't apply to them. People know the truth.

I know Grandpa SeePoo (-; and others, and I don't really think they are greedy or rats. I wouldn't ever seriously judge someone for how they played a silly game. Hell, I can't play monopoly or poker without someone wanting to kill me.

I'm sure there were a few people who don't actually play fair/well with others in RL. People probably know who them guys might be.

I'm not even sure if I'm joining team parlay, we do the parlays anyways for significantly larger amounts. So I'll probably have action on most of the games anyways. I'll probably see Mike soon enough, and I too, like soopoo, will probably engage in some (IMO) +EV prop bets or something. I'll get to rub it in multiple times. If he wins a bet here and there, I'll just say it was free money.



I think it would be fun to play monopoly with a bunch of APs. We might have to hire someone to play banker to keep the game fair though. No dice setters allowed.
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September 15th, 2016 at 5:21:28 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I think it would be fun to play monopoly with a bunch of APs. We might have to hire someone to play banker to keep the game fair though. No dice setters allowed.

I think we actually talked about playing it for real money. To keep it friendly for pennies on the dollar. Unfortunately even without collusion there's a particular strategy where you can really clean someone out once you have a significant property lead. It's more of a con IMO. But basically you keep stringing him along allowing him to keep passing go and collecting the $200 while you siphon it off.

I'm not sure if there's a specific set of rules used for real money play regarding side deals and things.

When I was a kid I made crazy deals with everyone that always gave me a good chance at winning. Like... Ill buy that property from you to complete my set and buy hotels, If you land on it you don't have to pay. If others land on it I'll give(loan) you 20%. Or I'll sell you this property for $10 and loan you the money for hotels for 50%.

I'm not sure what's actually allowed in or not.
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September 15th, 2016 at 5:25:31 AM permalink
Geez, yous guys/gals can go thru alot of electronic ink in a day ;-)

2F would like to participate in the latest reindeer game fully.
Have read all the latest updates to T&C, and checked the little 'I Agree' box.

If Axel decides to throw a hissy fit, so be it ;-)

Will PM Wizard to transfer my big $6.
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
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September 15th, 2016 at 7:46:27 AM permalink
I'll include my winnings as long as AxelWolf and others are amenable to it even though I did not commit to the team in the main thread.
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September 15th, 2016 at 8:01:18 AM permalink
Quote: wudged

I'll include my winnings as long as AxelWolf and others are amenable to it even though I did not commit to the team in the main thread.

I meant to say what Wudged said, very diplomatically. 'course I screwed that up ;-)
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September 15th, 2016 at 8:27:20 AM permalink
I sent a PM to the Wizard saying that if my mini-team winnings ($5.50) have indeed been transferred to me and added to the $11.00 I got during the game, then the $16.50 should be transferred to the parlay pool. He has not yet read that message. I also said that if he did not receive a request to transfer the $5.50 to me then he should let me know so that I could follow up on that. Either way, I'm waiting to hear the status and looking forward to whatever the future wagers may be.

Hey, mrsuit31, what do you mean that those future bets might be -EV? I thought these were professional APs we were talking about having make the decisions.     ;-)
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September 15th, 2016 at 8:34:49 AM permalink
Well - Due to the Editing RESTRICTIONS of the posts, I can no longer EDIT the OP... So unless that gets unlocked, I'll have to carry the team from page to page =(.

odious - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
romes - Confirmed Transfer
ronc - Confirmed Transfer
paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
raleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
Mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
blout2000 - Confirmed Transfer
PlayYourCardsRight
rudeboyoi
doughtaker
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***If I missed any names please PM mike and tell him to transfer ALL of your cooperation game funds to me. He PM's me with the list of confirmed transfers and then I add the names and Confirmed Transfer to the list!

The last few have messaged me their intentions to be on the team, but I haven't yet received any notifications from the Wizard that they're transferring all of their game funds to myself or him, so I can't put up a Confirmed Transfer. I'm sure the Wiz just hasn't seen their messages yet though and I'll update as soon as I get confirmation.

Quote: GWAE

Am I missing it somewhere? What is the strategy. I thought I read the bet will be decided on later.

The bet(s) are still VERY MUCH open for discussion! I'm in the same boat as you btw... I don't want just huge underdogs with long shot odds... I want some kind of feasible parlay we could actually win while still getting big odds due to the parlay factor... Then I'd like to do a couple combinations of the card so we have a really decent shot at hitting one with decent odds... That's just my initial thoughts though. Like I said COMPLETELY still open for discussion! Others oped for me to choose so they wouldn't have to follow/vote/etc, but I'm taking everyone's betting desires in to consideration - so the bets should still accurately reflect the group as a whole.
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September 15th, 2016 at 8:38:37 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

...P.S. I think we should disallow 2F to play in any of the reindeer games.

2F is my boy, and will certainly be able to participate so long as he gets a confirmed transfer to myself/mike!

MOTION DENIED.

Quote: Paradigm

...To make it really interesting, Romes/Wiz could PM poll the top 3 finishers from the last three WoV Picks Seasons and see what they think are the best games against the spread that week. Combine that with Wiz/Romes decision making process and we would have accessed a lot of the NFL picking talent from the Forum.

Well, it's a good thing I finished top 3 in the NFL betting contest last year then too, isn't it? =)
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September 15th, 2016 at 9:10:31 AM permalink
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Well, it's a good thing I finished top 3 in the NFL betting contest last year then too, isn't it? =)


I actually was thinking you and Wiz were both in that group....
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September 15th, 2016 at 9:23:30 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Well - Due to the Editing RESTRICTIONS of the posts, I can no longer EDIT the OP... So unless that gets unlocked, I'll have to carry the team from page to page =(.

odious - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
romes - Confirmed Transfer
ronc - Confirmed Transfer
paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
raleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
Mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
blout2000 - Confirmed Transfer
PlayYourCardsRight
rudeboyoi
doughtaker
TwoFeathersATL

***If I missed any names please PM mike and tell him to transfer ALL of your cooperation game funds to me. He PM's me with the list of confirmed transfers and then I add the names and Confirmed Transfer to the list!

The last few have messaged me their intentions to be on the team, but I haven't yet received any notifications from the Wizard that they're transferring all of their game funds to myself or him, so I can't put up a Confirmed Transfer. I'm sure the Wiz just hasn't seen their messages yet though and I'll update as soon as I get confirmation.

The bet(s) are still VERY MUCH open for discussion! I'm in the same boat as you btw... I don't want just huge underdogs with long shot odds... I want some kind of feasible parlay we could actually win while still getting big odds due to the parlay factor... Then I'd like to do a couple combinations of the card so we have a really decent shot at hitting one with decent odds... That's just my initial thoughts though. Like I said COMPLETELY still open for discussion! Others oped for me to choose so they wouldn't have to follow/vote/etc, but I'm taking everyone's betting desires in to consideration - so the bets should still accurately reflect the group as a whole.



With it seeming like we have an understanding of what is going to be bet on. At least at this early stage then you can certainly add me to the list. I believe that with you and Mr Wizard running the betting we will have a decent bet going. I agree with you as well that we should have multiple cards in the fight.

If we do the half point cards just make sure you keep the bet amounts low enough to not generate a w2g. This may show my ignorance on sports betting, do you even get w2gs for sports betting? If so is it also at $1200?
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September 15th, 2016 at 9:26:58 AM permalink
What if I want to transfer some, but not all, of my winnings into the pool?

Could I get a pro-rated share proportional to the amount of my winnings that I put into the pool?
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September 15th, 2016 at 9:27:17 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I think we actually talked about playing it for real money. To keep it friendly for pennies on the dollar. Unfortunately even without collusion there's a particular strategy where you can really clean someone out once you have a significant property lead. It's more of a con IMO. But basically you keep stringing him along allowing him to keep passing go and collecting the $200 while you siphon it off.

I'm not sure if there's a specific set of rules used for real money play regarding side deals and things.

When I was a kid I made crazy deals with everyone that always gave me a good chance at winning. Like... Ill buy that property from you to complete my set and buy hotels, If you land on it you don't have to pay. If others land on it I'll give(loan) you 20%. Or I'll sell you this property for $10 and loan you the money for hotels for 50%.

I'm not sure what's actually allowed in or not.



oh this would be a fun night. As long as we aren't talking about $1000 each I would be in. Rules would have to be well defined IMO and probably written down so we can refer back to them. We also had some crazy rules that were always added. A time limit would probably be needed as well. At the end, any money in the bank gets split or something. Also I think drinking alcohol should be mandatory. Maybe even a drinking game, like take a shot when you pass go.
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September 15th, 2016 at 9:43:49 AM permalink
Quote: Dalex64

What if I want to transfer some, but not all, of my winnings into the pool?

Could I get a pro-rated share proportional to the amount of my winnings that I put into the pool?

Nope. Read the rules on page 1. It's unfair for you to do that as you would not have won your monies if all the rest of us did not bid low... Thus, we're all EQUAL partners regardless of amount won in the cooperation game. You, of course, do not have to participate... but if you do, you must transfer the FULL amount (which yes we will know).

The only exceptions are if you donate the remainder to Mike for running the game, or to the charity Mike described (essentially sending him the money to donate). Basically 0 can be PayPal/etc to you.
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September 15th, 2016 at 10:26:02 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Well - Due to the Editing RESTRICTIONS of the posts, I can no longer EDIT the OP... So unless that gets unlocked, I'll have to carry the team from page to page =(.

odious - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
romes - Confirmed Transfer
ronc - Confirmed Transfer
paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
raleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
Mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
blout2000 - Confirmed Transfer
PlayYourCardsRight
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***If I missed any names please PM mike and tell him to transfer ALL of your cooperation game funds to me. He PM's me with the list of confirmed transfers and then I add the names and Confirmed Transfer to the list!



I don't believe in gambling, so Sadly I will just take my $14 from Mike and invest it....
Or maybe I'll try to marty it up to £25 at online Blackjack to give me just enough for a wink off a streetwalker. No Blow for me. Thx..
:o)
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September 15th, 2016 at 10:44:32 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I don't believe in gambling, so Sadly I will just take my $14 from Mike and invest it....
Or maybe I'll try to marty it up to £25 at online Blackjack to give me just enough for a wink off a streetwalker. No Blow for me. Thx..
:o)



wait what, the person who was complaining that people werent bidding like a team is opting out of the team pole? okie dokie
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September 15th, 2016 at 10:58:56 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

wait what, the person who was complaining that people werent bidding like a team is opting out of the team pole? okie dokie

Did I complain?
I don't recall that, but if I did it was all part of the selfish/altruistic/greedy mind games to help ensure 'we' beat Mike.
LOL and 'we' did, didn't we, with knobs on.
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September 15th, 2016 at 11:28:42 AM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

I don't believe in gambling, so Sadly I will just take my $14 from Mike and invest it....

Half-point parlay cards carry a player advantage... and that seems to be the consensus among the group ;-).
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September 15th, 2016 at 11:36:08 AM permalink
I should be on the team. I already let Wizard know to WizPay Romes the money.
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September 15th, 2016 at 11:55:01 AM permalink
Quote: Romes

Half-point parlay cards carry a player advantage... and that seems to be the consensus among the group ;-).

Cheers Romes.
I have no knowledge or understanding of parlay cards. Unless my not joining of the team is commonly perceived as unfair, then I'll still go my own way. I hope to Marty my $14 (if I'm correct) up to a bottle of JD, with which I'll toast to the success of your parlay. I may even make a trip report of my progress with that $14
$:o)
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September 15th, 2016 at 11:59:15 AM permalink
Quote: miplet

I should be on the team.


Same here. At 10:15a.m. LV time, I received confirmation that the Wizard will transfer my full $16.50 to the pool. As of the 11:34a.m. team list, my name doesn't show up. I suspect this is due to how busy the Wizard is right now, but if the transfer notice doesn't come through, let's follow up on this.
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:06:27 PM permalink
Quote: miplet

I should be on the team. I already let Wizard know to WizPay Romes the money.


Quote: Doc

Same here. At 10:15a.m. LV time, I received confirmation that the Wizard will transfer my full $16.50 to the pool. As of the 11:34a.m. team list, my name doesn't show up. I suspect this is due to how busy the Wizard is right now, but if the transfer notice doesn't come through, let's follow up on this.

Hmmm, I haven't received any communications from Mike today. Perhaps he's waiting until the end of the day to send over 1 big list instead of a bunch of messages throughout the day? Or he's keeping the list, in which case we'd need him to verify the transfers...

NO WORRIES BOYS... Another reason we have a 2 week buffer. I'm sure you'll all get confirmed up and we'll have our solid team and final amount quite soon!

UPDATED TEAM ROSTER

odious - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
romes - Confirmed Transfer
ronc - Confirmed Transfer
paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
raleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
Mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
blout2000 - Confirmed Transfer
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:08:37 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Cheers Romes.
I have no knowledge or understanding of parlay cards. Unless my not joining of the team is commonly perceived as unfair, then I'll still go my own way. I hope to Marty my $14 (if I'm correct) up to a bottle of JD, with which I'll toast to the success of your parlay. I may even make a trip report of my progress with that $14
$:o)

Quite fine to go it your own way, no worries! I would like to see you get that up to $25 and then see you toasting with your bottle of Jack to our Parlay success =P.
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:15:47 PM permalink
Annnnnnnnnd 2 minutes after I posted that I got the PM from Mike with the updated list...

UPDATED TEAM ROSTER

Paradigm - Confirmed Transfer
Romes - Confirmed Transfer
mrsuit31 - Confirmed Transfer
blount2000 - Confirmed Transfer
odiousgambit - Confirmed Transfer
RaleighCraps - Confirmed Transfer
joeman - Confirmed Transfer
RonC - Confirmed Transfer
gamerfreak - Confirmed Transfer
beachbumbabs - Confirmed Transfer
Miplet - Confirmed Transfer
IndyJeffrey - Confirmed Transfer
rudeboyoi - Confirmed Transfer
doughtaker - Confirmed Transfer
PlayYourCardsRight - Confirmed Transfer
TwoFeathersATL - Confirmed Transfer
Doc - Confirmed Transfer
Hunterhill - Confirmed Transfer

Somehow got a 50 cent partial transfer from Doc =P. Assume the rest went to the Wiz or Charity.

At this point we're up to 18 team members with a total bankroll of $198.50!!!
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:28:10 PM permalink
it appears that the people who were all about the team are the ones that got smoked in the actual game. With 18 people that is only $11 a person. If everyone went low on each round that would have been what $9? Romes are you alloud to write what you received from who? I am guessing the people with the high amounts are going on their good ole way.
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September 15th, 2016 at 12:36:39 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

it appears that the people who were all about the team are the ones that got smoked in the actual game. With 18 people that is only $11 a person. If everyone went low on each round that would have been what $9? Romes are you alloud to write what you received from who? I am guessing the people with the high amounts are going on their good ole way.

Maybe? I'd have to get approval from some kind of admin I think to do that... I do have the list and the numbers. A couple people brought in high amounts, but yes, the majority are lower. We lost 1 round, a couple people look like they missed one round (myself included as I mentioned in the other thread), etc.

It's also just day 2 of this thread, so perhaps they'll notice and come forth and want to join the team. If not, then I guess they really need that $20 =). At the end of the day it's not hard to see who's on our team roster and then the list of names that were involved in the thread. We know who they are at that point ;-).
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