MichaelBluejay
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March 20th, 2021 at 8:12:12 PM permalink
Does anyone know how the author of "Roulette System Tester" by Zumma Publishing (1995) acquired the live spin data? I've heard it's 7500 or 15,000 spins, so no one could collect that data continuously. Either the people who gathered the data worked in shifts, or the data isn't continuous from the same table. Or somehow they got the casino to provide the data from the marquees.

The reason I ask is that I'm thinking of making a competing resource, and it needs to be at least as good as Zumma, meaning I need to have at least as many consecutive spins for each section as Zumma does. Though if they got continuous data from either working in shifts or from casinos supplying marquee data, then I'm out, I can't do that.

I know that live spins don't trump computer-generated for testing purposes, and for that matter that no system can overcome the house edge anyway, but my readers don't believe that, even though I tell them so. The Roulette Generator is one of the most popular pages on the whole site.

BTW, the cheapest copy of the Zumma book available online is $119, used.
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March 20th, 2021 at 8:47:59 PM permalink
Long term, how many spins would even a marathon player sit through realistically, that they could take advantage of a glitch?

Wizard has a table calculating a 1 player table where betting action is the fastest as only one bettor to place bets and that's 3 minutes per spin. So only 20 spins per hour of sitting around!

5 hours of playing for 100 spins?!!
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MichaelBluejay
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March 20th, 2021 at 10:30:19 PM permalink
The people looking for spins aren't trying to exploit a biased wheel, they're trying to test their betting systems.

There are 81-112 spins per hour for a one-player table. See my Average Loss Calculator.
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March 20th, 2021 at 10:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Long term, how many spins would even a marathon player sit through realistically, that they could take advantage of a glitch?

Wizard has a table calculating a 1 player table where betting action is the fastest as only one bettor to place bets and that's 3 minutes per spin. So only 20 spins per hour of sitting around!

5 hours of playing for 100 spins?!!



Trust me a one player roulette table goes super fast.

I had the unpleasant experience of playing one circa 2004.

It went something like this:

Chips placed on felt, dealer spins ball, ball lands, I lose, chips removed, time 30 seconds.

More chips placed in felt, ball spun immediately, ball lands, I lose, chips removed, time 30 seconds more.

That went on for about five minutes before I was wiped clean (I didn't have much in those days but a $200 bankroll was busto pretty damn quick)
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rxwine
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:20:58 AM permalink
Must of been some other Wizard I was quoting. That did seem slow.
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March 21st, 2021 at 8:47:42 AM permalink
Quote: MichaelBluejay

Does anyone know how the author of "Roulette System Tester" by Zumma Publishing (1995) acquired the live spin data? I've heard it's 7500 or 15,000 spins, so no one could collect that data continuously. Either the people who gathered the data worked in shifts, or the data isn't continuous from the same table. Or somehow they got the casino to provide the data from the marquees.

The reason I ask is that I'm thinking of making a competing resource, and it needs to be at least as good as Zumma, meaning I need to have at least as many consecutive spins for each section as Zumma does. Though if they got continuous data from either working in shifts or from casinos supplying marquee data, then I'm out, I can't do that.

I know that live spins don't trump computer-generated for testing purposes, and for that matter that no system can overcome the house edge anyway, but my readers don't believe that, even though I tell them so. The Roulette Generator is one of the most popular pages on the whole site.

BTW, the cheapest copy of the Zumma book available online is $119, used.



You’re going to have to dive into some roulette forums but there are live casino spins from online ones that are available which I’m sure someone programmed a bot to record or something like that

There’s also websites out there that specifically test systems

Outside of wizard - the world is a lot less pragmatic and it’s not that they don’t believe that up to this point that no one has been able to win it’s just that they want to be the first people to prove everyone wrong and uh - YOLO or something
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