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April 14th, 2021 at 4:27:19 PM permalink
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I do not read 80% of your claims and posts. But are you trying to say Don Johnson never collected on a loss rebate?
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April 15th, 2021 at 7:07:05 AM permalink
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I do not read 80% of your claims and posts.


I don't believe a person that reads only 20% of what is posted deserves any sort of response. And this skimming, misreading and failing to read what I write is most of why you continually have issues with what I post, when for the most part you don't even know what exactly has been claimed or posted. And that goes for a lot more than just this issue, and applies to why you have constant arguments with so many forum members.

You have little idea what I claim, or say, because you don't even read any of it carefully and just come up with your own assumed dates, figures, and other misinformations. And then you spend literally hours and days weeks even months commenting on what you think I claimed or posted, and wonder why I ignore you.

You're on the pay no mind list for good reason. Along with others.
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April 15th, 2021 at 8:27:00 AM permalink
You are like the adults in Peauts.

Eveything you type reads like wwwwwwaaaarrpp obbrrrrmrrmrmr

What you have to say isn't important. It's only needed that you say something so the plot moves along.
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April 15th, 2021 at 9:38:46 AM permalink
Handled that business with the Director of Table Games - called me this morning. Said to just ask for the DofTG, or to request simply for any pit boss that is being negative to be replaced if the issue recurs. I've seen players request for dealers to be switched out, didn't realize a pit boss could be switched out too! I didn't want to make an issue of it, but when I mentioned it to the pit bosses who know and love me, one of them immediately suggested that I take it up with the top brass.
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April 15th, 2021 at 10:28:50 AM permalink
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Handled that business with the Director of Table Games - called me this morning. Said to just ask for the DofTG, or to request simply for any pit boss that is being negative to be replaced if the issue recurs. I've seen players request for dealers to be switched out, didn't realize a pit boss could be switched out too! I didn't want to make an issue of it, but when I mentioned it to the pit bosses who know and love me, one of them immediately suggested that I take it up with the top brass.

When your thread gets stagnant the stories just seem to get more bizarre and unbelievable. They will change out a pit boss for a guy who claims to only average 1k per hand at a high-end strip casino?
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April 15th, 2021 at 11:35:45 AM permalink
I thought I saw a disco duck in snakeskin boots running the pit at a craps game in NY a couple of decades ago. I never went back.
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April 15th, 2021 at 12:35:26 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Handled that business with the Director of Table Games - called me this morning. Said to just ask for the DofTG, or to request simply for any pit boss that is being negative to be replaced if the issue recurs. I've seen players request for dealers to be switched out, didn't realize a pit boss could be switched out too! I didn't want to make an issue of it, but when I mentioned it to the pit bosses who know and love me, one of them immediately suggested that I take it up with the top brass.



It adds to your reportoire (not sure if that’s the right spelling, but I’m sure you know what I mean). You have an added piece of knowledge to deal with such pit bosses, a bit like the block function I use in threads. I don’t see half the stuff here 😃

I’m tempted to peek at some comments, but then I think, nah, the losers don’t deserve it. It’s probably just negativity going down the toilet.
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April 15th, 2021 at 1:09:33 PM permalink
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It adds to your reportoire (not sure if that’s the right spelling, but I’m sure you know what I mean). You have an added piece of knowledge to deal with such pit bosses, a bit like the block function I use in threads. I don’t see half the stuff here 😃

I’m tempted to peek at some comments, but then I think, nah, the losers don’t deserve it. It’s probably just negativity going down the toilet.

Well since you’ve commented you must be including yourself when you said “The losers”
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April 15th, 2021 at 4:34:55 PM permalink
If WellBush was suspended solely for saying that a group of people are losers as in lose at the casino, there are people in this thread who claim all the time (falsely) that I am a loser (lose at the casinos), so what about suspending all of them too?
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April 15th, 2021 at 4:57:06 PM permalink
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If WellBush was suspended solely for saying that a group of people are losers as in lose at the casino, there are people in this thread who claim all the time (falsely) that I am a loser (lose at the casinos), so what about suspending all of them too?



We call people who lose regularly at the casinos ploppies.

Losers are a more general insult
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April 15th, 2021 at 6:58:26 PM permalink
Casino patrons, often called ploppies, annoy skilled players https://bj21.com/category/more/pages/ploppy-stupidity

A couple choice quotes from ancient times: a ploppy is that stupid gambler that plops his/her self down at your table when the count is high and starts eating up your good cards. They are strong worshipers of "the sacred flow of the cards" and like to chew out those who attempt to disrupt this magical flow. There's much more to these ploppies and I'm sure some of us could go on forever about them but that's what I think of when I think of a ploppy.

It takes a little extra to be a ploppy
Trying to be nice, most people are horrible players and the general definition of ploppy would include them. Considering the term to be extremely negative, I often will not consider that horrible player a ploppy till that player has declared himself God's prophet of blackjack chosen to spread the word to the rest of us.
He is that guy who knows nothing about playing blackjack but will let you and anyone else know it when you do not play his way. He is the guy who loses almost every trip to the casino but it is never because he plays so badly, it is because of you, me or someone else who disrupted the Mystical Magical Sacred Flow of the All Knowing Cards.
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April 15th, 2021 at 7:20:40 PM permalink
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Casino patrons, often called ploppies, annoy skilled players https://bj21.com/category/more/pages/ploppy-stupidity

A couple choice quotes from ancient times: a ploppy is that stupid gambler that plops his/her self down at your table when the count is high and starts eating up your good cards. They are strong worshipers of "the sacred flow of the cards" and like to chew out those who attempt to disrupt this magical flow. There's much more to these ploppies and I'm sure some of us could go on forever about them but that's what I think of when I think of a ploppy.

It takes a little extra to be a ploppy
Trying to be nice, most people are horrible players and the general definition of ploppy would include them. Considering the term to be extremely negative, I often will not consider that horrible player a ploppy till that player has declared himself God's prophet of blackjack chosen to spread the word to the rest of us.
He is that guy who knows nothing about playing blackjack but will let you and anyone else know it when you do not play his way. He is the guy who loses almost every trip to the casino but it is never because he plays so badly, it is because of you, me or someone else who disrupted the Mystical Magical Sacred Flow of the All Knowing Cards.

Not all skilled players are annoyed at ploppies. I think there are a good many AP's who love the poppies since they make it possible for the skilled players to make money. Skilled players might think poppies are foolish with their money when it comes to gambling, especially the ones who know better and have access to the information needed to be a wiser gambler but instead they choose to believe in voodoo-type nonsense.
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April 16th, 2021 at 10:21:20 AM permalink

Shouldn't be called hit and run. More like...quitting while ahead. Also, doing it for a living sounds somewhat...desperate. Who wants that?

There are really just two considerations in any sort of table game play. One is to leave the table with winnings. The other is getting the comps, especially if staying in a big suite as we are and wish to maintain RFB status. In my case though, if I get far enough ahead after one shoe I'll just leave, since I play for the money not the comps. And in any case, enough sessions come along where I end up playing longer, such that it all seems to even out anyway.

I would no more stay at a table longer solely to earn comps than I would add play time just to get something extra comp'ed that the host has indicated might not be comp'ed.
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April 16th, 2021 at 11:04:47 AM permalink
I hate going to drive-thru ATM's during this pandemic because I have to open the door and lean through an open car window to punch the keypads and get my money & receipt. I used to walk to a drive-thru ATM back in the '90's because it was just down the street and nobody was enforcing a car-only rule back then.

As far as playing cards for a daily, weekly, or monthly paychecks, well, that requires travel! What's a good win goal that won't get me kicked out? I could catch a senior's bus trip a few times a week, so I can mix in with a few dozen other gamblers, but if I'm late to get on the bus home, they're not waiting for me!

Trailways is starting up trips to Niagara Falls from Rochester, NY on May 27th. They go 4 times a week. $35 fee and get $40 of slot play. They stay for 5 hours. It's 2-3+ hours of travel time each way.
Interested in staying overnight? Just pay your driver $20 per person to reserve your return date seat.
If I was gonna drive, it would cost me $50 for gas, tolls, and more for parking if it's not free; and it would take 2.5 hours or more each way. Last time I drove, I left home at 2pm and got back at 7 am, and a cop was at my door the next day. I'm guessing border patrol is calling hometown police stations.
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April 16th, 2021 at 1:17:18 PM permalink
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If WellBush was suspended solely for saying that a group of people are losers as in lose at the casino, there are people in this thread who claim all the time (falsely) that I am a loser (lose at the casinos), so what about suspending all of them too?



I'm off suspension! That didn't last too long. Maybe half a day. Thanks for sticking up for me. I was a little surprised I got suspended. Took a bit of time to work it out. Technically it could be put under personal insults, via general personal insults to a group! 😀

I don't know if my offending comment comes anywhere close to a host of others, though. At least I can block them. What I don't see does me no harm 😀
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April 16th, 2021 at 2:11:21 PM permalink
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Shouldn't be called hit and run. More like...quitting while ahead. Also, doing it for a living sounds somewhat...desperate. Who wants that?

There are really just two considerations in any sort of table game play. One is to leave the table with winnings. The other is getting the comps, especially if staying in a big suite as we are and wish to maintain RFB status. In my case though, if I get far enough ahead after one shoe I'll just leave, since I play for the money not the comps. And in any case, enough sessions come along where I end up playing longer, such that it all seems to even out anyway.

I would no more stay at a table longer solely to earn comps than I would add play time just to get something extra comp'ed that the host has indicated might not be comp'ed.



Now this post has some interesting parts to it, and these parts are found scattered throughout this website. I think Mission146 has hinted at it, and Mission146 may even have some more knowledge to share on the topic. So what am I referring to?

Well, I'm referring to a few things and I'll start with being in the money. Players get in the money a lot, and probably get out of the money much more. Does this tell us something? Well, maybe it does. Maybe it tells us that games go through cycles. That there are times that games favour the player, and times when games favour the dealer. So, isn't it sound logic for a player to take profits when their sitting on a nice profit? And isn't it sound logic for a player to continue gambling until the game cycle turns against them?

There's more to cover but I'll leave this post for now, to allow for discussion.
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April 16th, 2021 at 2:50:54 PM permalink
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Shouldn't be called hit and run. More like...quitting while ahead. Also, doing it for a living sounds somewhat...desperate. Who wants that?

There are really just two considerations in any sort of table game play. One is to leave the table with winnings. The other is getting the comps, especially if staying in a big suite as we are and wish to maintain RFB status. In my case though, if I get far enough ahead after one shoe I'll just leave, since I play for the money not the comps. And in any case, enough sessions come along where I end up playing longer, such that it all seems to even out anyway.

I would no more stay at a table longer solely to earn comps than I would add play time just to get something extra comp'ed that the host has indicated might not be comp'ed.



Now this post has some interesting parts to it, and these parts are found scattered throughout this website. I think Mission146 has hinted at it, and Mission146 may even have some more knowledge to share on the topic. So what am I referring to?

Well, I'm referring to a few things and I'll start with being in the money. Players get in the money a lot, and probably get out of the money much more. Does this tell us something? Well, maybe it does. Maybe it tells us that games go through cycles. That there are times that games favour the player, and times when games favour the dealer. So, isn't it sound logic for a player to take profits when their sitting on a nice profit? And isn't it sound logic for a player to continue gambling until the game cycle turns against them?

There's more to cover but I'll leave this post for now, to allow for discussion.



The logic is sound.

Unfortunately the practice isn't.

In order to know when a winning cycle is on you have to wager on it

Otherwise you will see your winning outcomes but not partake of the winnings.

However wagering BEFORE you see the winning cycle means betting on possible changes to the winning cycle.

How long does a winning cycle last? Will Banker go for six or eight or twelve or three successive wins?

Unless you are psychic you have no idea.

Which means you are gambling and have no edge and no ability to take advantage of winning cycles.
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April 16th, 2021 at 5:39:47 PM permalink
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Quote: MDawg


Shouldn't be called hit and run. More like...quitting while ahead. Also, doing it for a living sounds somewhat...desperate. Who wants that?

There are really just two considerations in any sort of table game play. One is to leave the table with winnings. The other is getting the comps, especially if staying in a big suite as we are and wish to maintain RFB status. In my case though, if I get far enough ahead after one shoe I'll just leave, since I play for the money not the comps. And in any case, enough sessions come along where I end up playing longer, such that it all seems to even out anyway.

I would no more stay at a table longer solely to earn comps than I would add play time just to get something extra comp'ed that the host has indicated might not be comp'ed.



Now this post has some interesting parts to it, and these parts are found scattered throughout this website. I think Mission146 has hinted at it, and Mission146 may even have some more knowledge to share on the topic. So what am I referring to?

Well, I'm referring to a few things and I'll start with being in the money. Players get in the money a lot, and probably get out of the money much more. Does this tell us something? Well, maybe it does. Maybe it tells us that games go through cycles. That there are times that games favour the player, and times when games favour the dealer. So, isn't it sound logic for a player to take profits when their sitting on a nice profit? And isn't it sound logic for a player to continue gambling until the game cycle turns against them?

There's more to cover but I'll leave this post for now, to allow for discussion.



How about a short and sweet reply, anyone who thinks as you do should never ever enter a casino.

Next day edit:
Wellbush, your above quote was a response to a MDawg quote, and again your response does not apply to anyone playing Baccarat without cheating. There will never be a time when any hand played in Baccarat would favor the player. You in my opinion by insinuating deceptively from quoting MDawg's post as being a relevant factor in trying unsuccessfully to give the game of Baccarat legitimacy for winning money as an advantage play is shameful.
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April 17th, 2021 at 5:09:19 AM permalink
These gentlemen should have stuck to brunettes....

Woman accused of stealing watches valued at $82K from men on Strip

I mentioned this incident I read about in the LV Review Journal to my wife.

“Well, she must have let them have their way with her first, before she robbed them.”

“What makes you think that?”

“Well, they had fun, they were relaxed, they went to sleep, and she went to work.”

Hmm.

In any case, if you haven’t had a hooker steal or try to steal your Rolex, then you haven’t truly high rolled in Vegas.
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April 17th, 2021 at 6:39:46 AM permalink
I'll say a bit more about gambling and winning...

You know there are plenty of gamblers who lose. There are probably very, very few who win. But of the few that win, wouldn't it do well to take note?

Remember before card counting was acknowledged as a genuine strategy to beat the dealer ? Who was saying way back then that card counting would die a death like every other strategy that's ever been tried? Maybe a lot of people who thought that mathematical theory would bring card counters undone, just like every other strategy before it?

And more than likely, there was a huge line of naysayers (mathematicians, and anyone so disposed ) that could prove, with theory, that card counting wouldn't work. They had their formulae, basic logic, hundreds of years of proven facts, etc. UNTIL....one day a mathematical truth finally cut through, and the naysayers started scratching their heads !

The naysayers probably started to look for costumes to hide behind. Then, when they thought it was safe....out they came with their new hair do...saying "Who doesn't think card counting works? Can't you see the math logic behind card counting ?"

Of course history's not repeating itself, is it? People have changed. They're not so caught up in group think like yesteryear, are they?
No, of course not.
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April 17th, 2021 at 7:50:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

I'll say a bit more about gambling and winning...

You know there are plenty of gamblers who lose. There are probably very, very few who win. But of the few that win, wouldn't it do well to take note?

Remember before card counting was acknowledged as a genuine strategy to beat the dealer ? Who was saying way back then that card counting would die a death like every other strategy that's ever been tried? Maybe a lot of people who thought that mathematical theory would bring card counters undone, just like every other strategy before it?

And more than likely, there was a huge line of naysayers (mathematicians, and anyone so disposed ) that could prove, with theory, that card counting wouldn't work. They had their formulae, basic logic, hundreds of years of proven facts, etc. UNTIL....one day a mathematical truth finally cut through, and the naysayers started scratching their heads !

The naysayers probably started to look for costumes to hide behind. Then, when they thought it was safe....out they came with their new hair do...saying "Who doesn't think card counting works? Can't you see the math logic behind card counting ?"

Of course history's not repeating itself, is it? People have changed. They're not so caught up in group think like yesteryear, are they?
No, of course not.

I dont know, you tell me who was saying that, It may have been very few. Do you have any data to back up that mathematicians were claiming card counting wouldn't work(hell, I'm sure there are still a few that think that)? Almost all sane mathematicians will tell you card counting can work, and all betting systems can't work.

If you want to start with Las Vegas BJ, it was only about 20 years before it was better known you could beat BJ via card counting. Basically, it was a new game. Math is not new and you can't change it.
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April 17th, 2021 at 8:08:56 AM permalink
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I dont know, you tell me who was saying that, It may have been very few. Do you have any data to back up that mathematicians were claiming card counting wouldn't work(hell, I'm sure there are still a few that think that)? Almost all sane mathematicians will tell you card counting can work, and all betting systems can't work.

If you want to start with Las Vegas BJ, it was only about 20 years before it was better known you could beat BJ via card counting. Basically, it was a new game. Math is not new and you can't change it.



John Scarne tried to debunk card counting.

The real answer is mathematical analysis today using highly sophisticated computers is vastly different than what mathematicians had at their disposal in the 1950's and prior.

The concept of new discovery isn't that the impossible becomes possible but that the possible becomes discovered or conquered. It's a concept people like to twist for their own purpose.

It has always been mathematically possible to fly using automation because it has always been within aerodynamic laws. It just took until 1903 to discover how to manipulate those aerodynamic laws to our benefit.

No one will figure out how to fly using just their natural born arms because humans flying without automation are against the laws of aerodynamics.

The mathematical ability to beat Blackjack using card counting similarly needed to be discovered.

Today's use of mathematics and computers make insanely difficult to discover something unknown about Baccarat and certainly not something against the laws of mathematics (such as beating a -EV game without some advantage or aid)
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April 17th, 2021 at 11:46:12 AM permalink
I see AW’s made some posts. I don’t know what’s in them. Some people wonder why others ignore them, and refuse to look at their own behaviour.

It’s also interesting that my posts are pointing out, at this time, that winning at table games at casinos may be possible. That’s because we also have MD at this time, being more closely watched. Maybe these posts of mine are seminal?

I do believe that it’s possible that gamblers can win at casino games, if like card counters, they can work out a system that’s profitable by circumventing the mathematical theory saying it’s impossible. I don’t have a known way of doing that at this point in time, but I’m not so foolish to unequivocally think that it can’t be done.

Some may say: “Ah see, you don’t have a system that can beat the casinos, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.” But I never said I had such a system. I have said, I MIGHT have a system. And I’ve also said that there MAY be ways to beat the casinos besides card counting, if the strategy falls outside of the mathematical theory saying it can’t be done.

More to come...
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April 17th, 2021 at 12:48:28 PM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

I see AW’s made some posts. I don’t know what’s in them. Some people wonder why others ignore them, and refuse to look at their own behaviour.

It’s also interesting that my posts are pointing out, at this time, that winning at table games at casinos may be possible. That’s because we also have MD at this time, being more closely watched. Maybe these posts of mine are seminal?

I do believe that it’s possible that gamblers can win at casino games, if like card counters, they can work out a system that’s profitable by circumventing the mathematical theory saying it’s impossible. I don’t have a known way of doing that at this point in time, but I’m not so foolish to unequivocally think that it can’t be done.

Some may say: “Ah see, you don’t have a system that can beat the casinos, so you don’t know what you’re talking about.” But I never said I had such a system. I have said, I MIGHT have a system. And I’ve also said that there MAY be ways to beat the casinos besides card counting, if the strategy falls outside of the mathematical theory saying it can’t be done.

More to come...



So basically you feel 2+2 could equal 5 if someone came up with a strategy that falls outside the math?

EDIT: I suggest reading Orwell's 1984
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April 17th, 2021 at 12:52:41 PM permalink
I'm just trying to find the quickest way to half a million dollars in just a few months with a $200 bankroll.
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April 17th, 2021 at 1:26:47 PM permalink
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These gentlemen should have stuck to brunettes....

Woman accused of stealing watches valued at $82K from men on Strip

I mentioned this incident I read about in the LV Review Journal to my wife.

“Well, she must have let them have their way with her first, before she robbed them.”

“What makes you think that?”

“Well, they had fun, they were relaxed, they went to sleep, and she went to work.”

Hmm.

In any case, if you haven’t had a hooker steal or try to steal your Rolex, then you haven’t truly high rolled in Vegas.




In between taking out food, table play, and sex in the suite and then falling asleep, I'm surprised that you did not have a watch missing by now.
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April 17th, 2021 at 1:41:08 PM permalink
Thanks for your clever logic DO. You’re now on my blocked list, too 😃. I don’t mind conversing solely with MD 😊, and other positively minded individuals.

Maybe you don’t realise that it’s not me that thinks that 2+2=5, but it’s people like yourself! Now let me get your logic right....mathematical theory says everything in life can be understood via equations.

That means bodily systems, art, sport, meteorology, history, etc., it all needs to agree with mathematical theory. Otherwise, it’s nonsense.

I see. Well done for straightening everything out for us, DO
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April 17th, 2021 at 1:46:35 PM permalink
Oh, by the way, here they all come! Sprinting in support of your mindset. I don’t know what they’re saying, but I’ve been here long enough to know how worthy it is
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April 17th, 2021 at 2:27:02 PM permalink
While waiting for take out stopped by the Baccarat tables and there was a 13 bank run right out the gate on display. I am familiar with two of the players who were at that table, and I asked how they did on that run.

"Not well enough, wish you had been here, would have bet more."

I can't understand that. Thirteen banks right out the gate? I would not have missed more than ONE of those at most TWO, and would have pressed all down the line. Okay maybe I would have started at only a couple hunny if it were a relaxed day and just starting out, but still, by the end I would have had thousands on the line. No question. Anyone who has observed my play knows I never miss a run, chop or patterned sequence.
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April 17th, 2021 at 2:34:35 PM permalink
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While waiting for take out stopped by the Baccarat tables and there was a 13 bank run right out the gate on display. I am familiar with two of the players who were at that table, and I asked how they did on that run.

"Not well enough, wish you had been here, would have bet more."

I can't understand that. Thirteen banks right out the gate? I would not have missed more than ONE of those at most TWO, and would have pressed all down the line. Okay maybe I would have started at only a couple hunny if it were a relaxed day and just starting out, but still, by the end I would have had thousands on the line. No question. Anyone who has observed my play knows I never miss a run, chop or patterned sequence.



Oh MD, that’s impossible! How could that be so when mathematical theory says it can’t?! Oh, that’s right, um...it’ll only work for so long, then you’ll get the catastrophic losing streak!

Um...funny though, you’ve been winning for how many years?

Ohh..
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April 17th, 2021 at 2:57:09 PM permalink
I know you’ve copped a lot of flack like me, from naysayers on this site. I get the feeling that it’s ok for them to belittle, but when the favour’s returned, they get all upset and line up to complain. They can’t stand it. And now that I’ve discovered the block function, they’ve probably got steam coming out of their ears.

It’s kinda funny. Belittling’s ok for them to do, but not the other way ‘round.
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April 17th, 2021 at 2:58:49 PM permalink
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Oh MD, that’s impossible! How could that be so when mathematical theory says it can’t?!



The long run doesn't account for mid-shoe streaks. In the long run, the streaks will be mitigated by the overall results, as long as you play every hand forever...like the casino does.

The math says that, since the player can't know when the long streaks are coming, then they can't capitalize on them when they show up.
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April 17th, 2021 at 3:08:06 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

The long run doesn't account for mid-shoe streaks. In the long run, the streaks will be mitigated by the overall results, as long as you play every hand forever...like the casino does.

The math says that, since the player can't know when the long streaks are coming, then they can't capitalize on them when they show up.



Yeah, and MD just may have the skill to take advantage when the deck’s working in his favour. But we must keep this idea very quiet, lest the naysayers get all upset!
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April 17th, 2021 at 3:17:57 PM permalink
This MDawg challenge still hasn't happened yet?

SMH!
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April 17th, 2021 at 3:30:21 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

This MDawg challenge still hasn't happened yet?

SMH!



You're buying...and you don't know? WTF?
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April 17th, 2021 at 3:51:16 PM permalink
How much is a case of beer? A Kelly of the $2500?
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April 17th, 2021 at 7:18:55 PM permalink
As I posted on Tuesday:
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For security reasons, session reports are going to be suspended for a while. Then, sometime next week, I will post them all at once including the one where the Wizard observed/observes me. This may have already happened, or it may not have already happened. Just be patient for a bit please you'll find out what happened/happens soon.

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April 18th, 2021 at 3:23:41 AM permalink
Now what’s gonna happen, MD, if you have your session watched by Wiz, and it confirms everything you’ve been saying? Of course, as we know, gamblers can win multiple times before they’re hit with a catastrophic losing streak. So one session on its own cannot be used as proof that a gambler profits in the long run.

What would be helpful, though, is if you were to somehow prove to Wiz your ongoing profits. That would be more telling.

Mind you, it would be pointless using the above to convince a group of hardened math heads, that you’re a long term winner. They’ll probably concoct some logic to prove to themselves none of the outcomes proved anything.

A bit like how they view my ID. Because I don’t think the same as them, they think I must be a sock, or MOD, or alien, even. By the way, what’s a MOD? ...master of deception, made of dung, merely on drugs...ha, I don’t even know what a MOD is, so how can I be one?

Ahhh...that’s my deception! Pretending I don’t know! 😃

And here’s the other part...I’m using a VPN!!! OMG!! Surely I’m from Jupiter!!! Can you hear the Dr Who music?? It’s quite hilarious all this. But not for the naysayers. Somehow I’m being insulting. Of course, if they deride, there’s no evidence of insults! Hm...
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April 18th, 2021 at 4:41:55 AM permalink
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Yeah, and MD just may have the skill to take advantage when the deck’s working in his favour. But we must keep this idea very quiet, lest the naysayers get all upset!




Talk about the word "skill" being taken loosely. Big decisions here, does one bet the "player" or bet the "banker"?
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April 18th, 2021 at 5:06:17 AM permalink
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Talk about the word "skill" being taken loosely. Big decisions here, does one bet the "player" or bet the "banker"?

. BoSox, you haven’t been paying enough attention. MDawg also has a record of 25% when betting ties.
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April 18th, 2021 at 5:28:26 AM permalink
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. BoSox, you haven’t been paying enough attention. MDawg also has a record of 25% when betting ties.



I love this. I wonder how many tie bets he’s made in his life to still hit 25%.

Standard deviation of hitting 25%:

Number of tie bets (Standard Deviation)
50 (3.7)
100 (5.2)
500 (11.7)
1,000 (16.5)
10,000 (52.3)
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April 18th, 2021 at 5:34:57 AM permalink
Oh, here they come! BS, SP, uJ, they can't stand it. Now where's the difference in our posts? Am I providing substance to prove a point, or am I solely deriding someone without any substance to show for it? Hm..
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April 18th, 2021 at 5:40:44 AM permalink
Quote: Wellbush

Oh, here they come! BS, SP, uJ, they can't stand it. Now where's the difference in our posts? Am I providing substance to prove a point, or am I solely deriding someone without any substance to show for it? Hm..



How’s the Fibonacci?
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April 18th, 2021 at 6:56:06 AM permalink
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I'll say a bit more about gambling and winning...

You know there are plenty of gamblers who lose. There are probably very, very few who win.



Really? Wow Wow Wow!

Why don't you try hanging out around a Casino cashier's cage and watch all of the CTR's being written for cash-outs and watch all of the cash-outs happening. People win all the time, all day all night! Yes also people lose all the time all day all night. And lots of the people that win give it back. And I cannot say everyone gives it back because we don't see every single player all the time and they go to other casinos and lose or win as well.

There's no way to know what those people do unless you're that person, themselves.

How in the heck are you going to make a statement like what you made? Maybe with a select set of people that you know that play all the time, they lose all the time and then when they win they give it all back. Yes of course that happens. But that's a very small handful sampling of what goes on in any casino and multiply that by thousands of casinos.

A word about CTRs. Yes if you do buyin for say $6,000 and win $3,000 you can cash out the total amount without a CTR being written if you are a known player or identified and there's no SAR on you. As far as buying in for say $8,000 and Cashing Out $4,000 win money and you're attempting to cash out the total amount of $12,000 within a 24-hour period, no matter if one transaction or multiple transactions a CTR will be written on you no matter what. If you bought in with say $3,000 and you won $7,000 of chips and you cash out a few thousand dollars every few days and no one notices, no CTR will be sent in on you. Kind of a complicated situation and it's up to the casino to catch the transaction or not. If it's a one time cashout of $10k or larger, a CTR will always be sent in with or without your knowledge. So if you see a CTR being compiled on someone Cashing Out chips you don't always know if it's their money and some of the casinos money that they won, or if it's all their money or if it's a $300 Buy in with a over a $10,000 win. But I'm telling you at casinos it happens all day long where people do win money and they have to have a CTR sent in on them no matter if they are a known player or not.

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April 18th, 2021 at 7:14:03 AM permalink
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Really? Wow Wow Wow!

Why don't you try hanging out around a Casino cashier's cage and watch all of the ctr's being written for cash-outs and watch all of the cash-outs happening. People win all the time, all day all night! Yes also people lose all the time all day all night. And lots of the people that win give it back. And I cannot say everyone gives it back because we don't see every single player all the time and they go to other casinos and lose or win as well.

There's no way to know what those people do unless you're that person, themselves.

How in the heck are you going to make a statement like what you made? Maybe with a select set of people that you know that play all the time, they lose all the time and then when they win they give it all back. Yes of course that happens. But that's a very small handful sampling of what goes on in any casino and multiply that by thousands of casinos.



Thanks Marcus. I don't for one minute dispute the naysayers here, that say that most gamblers lose. And I'm talking about the long-term. The math, and honest gamblers, tells us that to be true. And it's been true for centuries.

I got no doubt that there are plenty of winners raking it in in the short-term, too.

My point that some here have issue with, is that I believe it may be possible that some small percentage of gamblers like MD, win in the long-term. My position here is only slightly different from the naysayers, but unfortunately they seem to have taken issue with me because I am not a purist like them. And by purist I mean that they think that the only possible gamblers that win, are card counters. I am not convinced that solely card counters win. But I'm open to be proven wrong.
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April 18th, 2021 at 8:19:32 AM permalink
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Thanks Marcus. I don't for one minute dispute the naysayers here, that say that most gamblers lose. And I'm talking about the long-term. The math, and honest gamblers, tells us that to be true. And it's been true for centuries.

I got no doubt that there are plenty of winners raking it in in the short-term, too.

My point that some here have issue with, is that I believe it may be possible that some small percentage of gamblers like MD, win in the long-term. My position here is only slightly different from the naysayers, but unfortunately they seem to have taken issue with me because I am not a purist like them. And by purist I mean that they think that the only possible gamblers that win, are card counters. I am not convinced that solely card counters win. But I'm open to be proven wrong.



And with your explanation, you are exactly correct in my opinion and from what I see day in and day out at several of our casinos. I have been in the casino industry for many years and I can tell you from the regular players that I know, most of them fade away for one reason or another. Can it be money, of course it can it be that for a large amount of them. Maybe some won what they wanted to win and they slacked off possibly? Can it be we don't see the regular players after a certain amount of time because they've went on to other casinos to play, of course. Can it be they went broke, of course. Can it be that they've lost interest and they went on to other business ventures, of course. But it is the same in many other aspects of life, in retail business, in the restaurant business, in the industrial type of businesses where people made what they wanted to and they sold their business or they mismanaged it and didn't make what they wanted to and went broke. And countless other things too numerous to list without creating an encyclopedia here.

In my opinion gambling as a profession or as a consistent sideline is exactly the same. You can have 10 players at a certain casino that sit down with $500 and will play until they lose it because they either played the wrong way or they mismanaged their win money or they got greedy after they won a certain amount of money. You can have another group of 10 players at the same Casino sit down with $500 win a certain amount of money and then leave and they are truly classified as consistent winners. What that amount of money is I don't think anyone can set a solid goal to, be it $50, $100, $250, or $2,000 win. It is too individualistic and it always will be.

As far as MDwag's posts attempting to back up his claims, without seeing his name, his identification, the name that he blocked out on the documents which he posted, I cannot say those documents are his. I personally have no reason to doubt him and until I see different I will believe that they are his. I know like I said before, on a professional level they are legitimate and original documents. As far as what he talks about, it is all the way 100% true how a casino and players operate on his level.

I enjoy reading what he writes and that is why I'm on this forum and yes I am a fan of his and I will remain a fan of his and as far as I do know, I'm in charge of the fan club.

As far as the purists like you say and as far as their position, that no one can do anything that they cannot do and you cannot win by not counting cards or following certain procedures, they are completely wrong. Especially in the short-term and that is where the money is at. Short-term to some people might be three weeks, to other people it might be three months and yet to others it might be three years and of course to another group of people it might be 10 years.

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April 18th, 2021 at 8:27:59 AM permalink
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April 18th, 2021 at 8:42:59 AM permalink
Don't forget I'm number one fan here and I'm in charge of the fan club!

Wonder if I'll get suspended because of that?

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April 18th, 2021 at 10:06:29 AM permalink
You know we walk around on the floor and sometimes when we see a player winning larger sums of money, we hear a dealer or someone else saying that player was, "Dead on Balls Accurate". It's a casino industry term, LOL.

Are you sure?

I am positive.

How can you be so sure?

Because it's dead on balls accurate.

Dead on balls accurate?

Yeah, It's an industry term.



I remember this scene from My Cousin Vinny.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzfQ0NFNF3g

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April 18th, 2021 at 12:27:24 PM permalink
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A bit like how they view my ID. Because I don’t think the same as them, they think I must be a sock, or MOD, or alien, even. By the way, what’s a MOD? ...master of deception, made of dung, merely on drugs...ha, I don’t even know what a MOD is, so how can I be one?



Possibly:

Messenger Of Death

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