The Adventures of MDawg
Two shoes only but it took HOURS because the casino was a tad crowded and there were others playing at my table. When I play alone, which is most of the time, I'll blaze through a shoe in twenty to thirty minutes, but when there are other players, it often goes excruciatingly slowly.
First shoe, I played solidly and was ahead a clean eight grand at the end. Yesterday I walked right into a ten Bank run right off the bat, today a nine Player run right out the gate.
Second shoe, things started going awry, including when this one silly player started betting against me on Bank when I was on Player, with middling results. I mean if that player had won every time, then I would have known to just back off when opposed, but it was like that player won some, lost some. Anyway, gradually I went downhill until I had gone from that +8000 to -1500 for the session, felt like Matt Damon after he decided to keep playing against KGB after winning ten grand off him and was temporarily in the pooper, then plunked 6500 on Player on a hand that looked so Player it was making me sick - the blue French Fries had always stuck together. I drew a 5, Bank 2, I drew a face to retain my 5, and Bank drew an ace. WIN!
From there, I got nice streaks, both Bank and Player, and ended the shoe up +10,900.
The other players kept trying to convince me to play more, but I just didn't have the willingness to play through another shoe that slowly, so I left. They were mostly amazed as to why I would leave when I was winning, but - hey, I do that all the time. How else you gonna win, other than leaving while ahead?
Just like yesterday I cut the shoe and if we decide to do take out versus room service this evening, I'll double back to take a look at my cut card handiwork and see if I left a fabulous shoe behind again.
"It's security."
"You heard him say that?"
"Oh, well, it must be a safety check" or whatever it is they call it.
I opened the door and the guy came in and said that he had to look around because we had had the Do Not Disturb up for longer than forty-eight hours, even though I mentioned that housekeeping had already been in there today.
"You must have ended up on our list this morning, before housekeeping came in."
The last time we ended up on that "list" two security guards had simply inquired at the door and left. This one said he needed to walk in. He must have wondered why we were in such an animated mood - me because I had just won, her because of, as she remarked later, how goofy and huge the security guard was. Not as big as my buddy who has been accompanying us on this trip, but close. Both of us were grinning broadly at him through our masks.
"How long will you be here?"
I gave him the standard answer.
"Probably another week."
I mean, that beats saying, "As long as possible," and having him stare at me incomprehensibly.
"Yes, this is a very nice suite" followed by, Have a good evening, Sorry to have disturbed you, and Goodbye.
As soon as he left my wife started laughing.
Not for any real reason, just somehow the kid had struck us as funny.
"He was so serious."
And fat.
These are mine - hers require a two towel minimum setup, not to mention that she takes over the dressing room area with more skin care and cosmetics. As your attorney I advise you to go heavy on Peter Thomas Roth, although some drugstore brands like Olay aren't bad at all.
You've never too young to commence skincare, wear sunscreen and stay out of the sun.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/414/#post801707
Terms
Wizard holds 2k
Mdawg pulls 8k marker or greater
Bets at least 200 minimum. No continually flat betting.
Bets. At least 57 hands
If upafter session to be determined by mdawg. He gets 2k
If down 1k
To be completed within next 30 days. Or void
Chips on table must be the same form start to finish. No adding of chips to table unless it’s a fill. Minus any tips of course. As mdawg states and just to clarify. If he tips that’s on him. He doesn’t count it in his win. If he wishes not to tip for this event then that is up to him.
If I missed anything that was discussed feel free for anyone to add what was already discusssed just if I inadvertently forgot to type.
Has the $2500 in BTC been deposited with the Wizard? If so, the matter will proceed.
Quote: MDawgThese are the terms of the challenge as already set.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/414/#post801707
Terms
Wizard holds 2k
Mdawg pulls 8k marker or greater
Bets at least 200 minimum. No continually flat betting.
Bets. At least 57 hands
If upafter session to be determined by mdawg. He gets 2k
If down 1k
To be completed within next 30 days. Or void
Chips on table must be the same form start to finish. No adding of chips to table unless it’s a fill. Minus any tips of course. As mdawg states and just to clarify. If he tips that’s on him. He doesn’t count it in his win. If he wishes not to tip for this event then that is up to him.
If I missed anything that was discussed feel free for anyone to add what was already discusssed just if I inadvertently forgot to type.
Has the $2500 in BTC been deposited with the Wizard? If so, the matter will proceed.
Wizard is in receipt of your 2k should you win. However I am told you are objecting to him keeping a log of the action. This is the only way to know for a fact if there is a win or a loss . How else in the world could we know the actual result. In any contest there needs to be an accurate score.
Are you or are you not objecting to wizard keeping a record of wager and result ?
Quote: ExpectedvalueQuote: MDawgThese are the terms of the challenge as already set.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/414/#post801707
Terms
Wizard holds 2k
Mdawg pulls 8k marker or greater
Bets at least 200 minimum. No continually flat betting.
Bets. At least 57 hands
If upafter session to be determined by mdawg. He gets 2k
If down 1k
To be completed within next 30 days. Or void
Chips on table must be the same form start to finish. No adding of chips to table unless it’s a fill. Minus any tips of course. As mdawg states and just to clarify. If he tips that’s on him. He doesn’t count it in his win. If he wishes not to tip for this event then that is up to him.
If I missed anything that was discussed feel free for anyone to add what was already discusssed just if I inadvertently forgot to type.
Has the $2500 in BTC been deposited with the Wizard? If so, the matter will proceed.
Wizard is in receipt of your 2k should you win. However I am told you are objecting to him keeping a log of the action. This is the only way to know for a fact if there is a win or a loss . How else in the world could we know the actual result. In any contest there needs to be an accurate score.
Are you or are you not objecting to wizard keeping a record of wager and result ?
Waiting on your reply. As far as I’m concerned this is the only hold up on your end. There has to be record keeping. . It’s the only way to know the amount of hands you played and your average bet. How in the world would we keep score without a log. This is common sense 101
Quote: ChumpChangeI lost $10K just betting on Tie
Bet into streaks, the streaks showed up, they show up enough to capitalize.
You missed it. Haven't you been following MDawg's trip reports?
Quote: ExpectedvalueWaiting on your reply.
Repeat every half-hour.
You're trying to add conditions again...not cool.
Sounds like you're trying to back out...I knew that you would.
The terms have already been set. There is nothing further to discuss. I often blaze through a shoe in twenty or thirty minutes if I am alone, which is the way I prefer to play - alone. He'll just keep track the same way as any pit boss, which is all that is required for this wager.
For example, rather than recording every hand I bet all he needs to do is note every hand I do not bet. That way the running tally of hands dealt the casino records minus the few I don't play equals how many I have played. And then, all he has to do is make sure I bet at least 200 minimum, and don't go long periods flat betting. Beyond that, if he wants to note the high bet for the session or whatever, he should be able to keep track of that, and I am okay with disclosure of that highest bet, but it should be noted that the "average" bet is not a part of the terms, rather, the "minimum" bet is part of the terms.
As far as whether I win or lose, I will start with the 8K pulled and then at the end (when I decide to stop, anytime after minimum 57 hands played) if I have more than the total sum I have pulled (including any additional markers pulled, if any more pulled), I won. He should obviously keep track of any markers pulled and make sure no additional chips other than from pulled markers are introduced to the table. None of this is difficult.
The meeting will be set.
Since the point of this is to determine whether I meet the already set terms and win or lose during the session, that will be determined absolutely. If on the other hand you have some devious hope that you will learn exactly how I play and win, that will not be disclosed.
Quote: ChumpChangeWhy wouldn't MDawg want us to note a "case bet"? We'd have to know all the other bets so we'd know what the "case" was about.
Is this question supposed to make sense?
Quote: MDawgThe terms have already been set. There is nothing further to discuss. I often blaze through a shoe in twenty or thirty minutes. He'll just keep track the same way as any pit boss, which is all that is required for this wager.
For example, rather than recording every hand I bet all he needs to do is note every hand I do not bet. That way the running tally of hands dealt the casino records minus the few I don't play equals how many I have played. And then, all he has to do is make sure I bet at least 200 minimum, and don't go long periods flat betting. Beyond that, if he wants to note the high bet for the session or whatever, he should be able to keep track of that.
As far as whether I win or lose, I will start with the 8K pulled and then at the end if I have more than the total sum I have pulled, I won. None of this is difficult.
The meeting will be set.
I think this particular matter of record keeping should be decided by the Wizard.
If he says he can handle it then no problem as MDawg says.
If he says that's too much and he doesn't want to rely on his memory then I think EV should have this decision.
MDawg if you feel the Wizard will have no problem keeping track then what difference if he uses a piece of paper?
You have an issue with people knowing what your average bet is? So, in theory, you could bet $200 on all but one hand where you bet $1k+. The offer was that you play like you normally do. There would be no way you get the comps you claim betting such small amounts if you bet in a similar fashion as I described.Quote: MDawgThe terms have already been set. There is nothing further to discuss. I often blaze through a shoe in twenty or thirty minutes if I am alone, which is the way I prefer to play - alone. He'll just keep track the same way as any pit boss, which is all that is required for this wager.
For example, rather than recording every hand I bet all he needs to do is note every hand I do not bet. That way the running tally of hands dealt the casino records minus the few I don't play equals how many I have played. And then, all he has to do is make sure I bet at least 200 minimum, and don't go long periods flat betting. Beyond that, if he wants to note the high bet for the session or whatever, he should be able to keep track of that, and I am okay with disclosure of that highest bet, but it should be noted that the "average" bet is not a part of the terms, rather, the "minimum" bet is part of the terms.
As far as whether I win or lose, I will start with the 8K pulled and then at the end (when I decide to stop, anytime after minimum 57 hands played) if I have more than the total sum I have pulled (including any additional markers pulled, if any more pulled), I won. He should obviously keep track of any markers pulled and make sure no additional chips other than from pulled markers are introduced to the table. None of this is difficult.
The meeting will be set.
Since the point of this is to determine whether I meet the already set terms and win or lose during the session, that will be determined absolutely. If on the other hand you have some devious hope that you will learn exactly how I play and win, that will not be disclosed.
Quote: AxelWolfThere would be no way you get the comps you claim betting such small amounts if you bet in a similar fashion as I described.
Axel...the betting fashion that you describe is conjecture on your part.
You are assuming facts not in evidence...you are presenting your imagination as fact.
There is no basis to consider your scenario, other than to explain that it's bogus.
Why was/ is this being overlooked?Quote: OnceDearNo. we can't have drama here. ROMAFL
[and no. that isn't a typo: There's a certain commonality to the user ids that have previously used that acronym.
https://wizardofvegas.com/search-results/search-results-index.php?search_query=ROMAFL ]
Didn't B79 pretend to be a host, and now we have someone claiming to be a casino surveillance employee, and they both mess up using the same wrong abbreviation, they are both baccarat fans, they both just so happened to find WOV. I wonder if MC also uses a VPN.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy was/ is this being overlooked?Quote: OnceDearNo. we can't have drama here. ROMAFL
[and no. that isn't a typo: There's a certain commonality to the user ids that have previously used that acronym.
https://wizardofvegas.com/search-results/search-results-index.php?search_query=ROMAFL ]
Didn't B79 pretend to be a host, and now we have someone claiming to be a casino surveillance employee, and they both mess up using the same wrong abbreviation, they are both baccarat fans, they both just so happened to find WOV. I wonder if MC also uses a VPN.
You are one jealous person.
Pity pity pity. Really you are pitiful.
One last time, check my VPN against anyones, I could give a rat's ass.
Signed,
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Quote: AxelWolfWhy was/ is this being overlooked?.
Why are you spending so much time and energy
trying to get forum admins to scrutinize other members?
What are you suppressing, who are you trying to silence here?
Are these really important questions ...phone bills and foot lockers?
Have your ABCs and numbers all in a row, or Axel will try to censor you?
Quote: coachbellyWhy are you spending so much time and energy
trying to get forum admins to scrutinize other members?
What are you suppressing, who are you trying to silence here?
Are these really important questions ...phone bills and foot lockers?
Have your ABCs and numbers all in a row, or Axel will try to censor you?
IMO he is a troll.
Nothing but pure trolling.
Peace Out and Love,
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Quote: Marcusclark66IMO he is a troll.
Nothing but pure trolling.
Peace Out and Love,
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Quoted for personal insult in case he changes it
Axel, something tells me you won't be timid about getting insulted here
Quote: darkozQuoted for personal insult in case he changes it
Axel, something tells me you won't be timid about getting insulted here
And IMO he is trolling me. He has many times, he needs to cease and desist his blatant trolling.
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
Peace Out and Love,
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Wizard is free to chime in but if this isn’t worked out today then it’s going to be obvious to everyone what you pulled here
As to the BTC, I have received $2025.89 so far.
If a hand by hand log is going to be a deal breaker, then I guess the challenge is off. It should be noted that no log was mentioned in the original challenge, so I have to take Ddawg's side on this that he has the right to decline this added condition.
Quote: WizardI am perfectly able to keep a count of bets of at least $200. If they don't let me keep track on a shoe sheet, I'll use a clicker in my pocket. I will take careful note of the starting and ending balance and adjust for any tips and commissions. As to keeping an exact log of every hand, I don't mind if the casino lets me, but this doesn't seem to be necessary per the original rules of the challenge.
As to the BTC, I have received $2025.89 so far.
If a hand by hand log is going to be a deal breaker, then I guess the challenge is off. It should be noted that no log was mentioned in the original challenge, so I have to take Ddawg's side on this that he has the right to decline this added condition.
It’s perfectly legal to have the baccarat sheet with you is it not? You don’t have to just keep banker player losses on them
I mean it would be pointless but you could count cards on those things without them caring if it baccarat right?
The terms of this wager are set. It will proceed.
The only accurate way to judge the results will be from the point of view of a pit boss. It is almost impossible that Wizard could possibly track accurately the amount wagered and whether won or lost on each hand and then use that to decide the results, besides the fact that the terms we agreed on have nothing to do with an average bet, so there is no reason for me to allow the disclosure of anything that is not a part of this wager.
I will make ONE FINAL concession. If the Wizard THINKS he can keep track of every single hand played, and the amount wagered - and I am not going to slow my play whatsoever for him to do that - then he may record that but the ONLY thing that he is allowed to disclose is whether I won or lost the wager. You're not paying to learn how I play, just to learn whether I won or lost this wager.
If you understood how a high end Baccarat shoe is played out, you'd want everything recorded the way I have suggested, especially if you knew how fast I play. Expecting the Wizard to maintain an accurate ongoing tally of plus minus win loss for every single hand is hopelessly optimistic. Much better to monitor the play to make sure all terms are adhered to, and make sure no chips are introduced to the table other than pulled markers, and then count up at the end.
The Wizard will verify that the terms that we agreed to are adhered to and that is it. We're done here. The wager will proceed.
Re-read my post above. Now what's the problem? I conceded, one last time, to make you happy that the Wizard may record each bet but he is not allowed to disclose other than whether I won or lost. If you trust him to judge you should trust his final tally.
That analogy is useless. I trust wizard to sniff out a system play. That does not mean I think he has magical memory powers
Why do I have to keep making concessions to you? You proposed the wager, Wizard and I agreed, and we already set its terms.
So what's the problem now?
Quote: ExpectedvalueMdawg, without the proper record keeping I have no assurance since I am not there. Not saying you would but there a myriad of problems that could occur . You could take a marker he forgets. You could skip to many hands. Flat bet too many time. Add chips subtract chips . Anyone in my shoes not being there would request the hands be added. Why do you think there are disqualifications in golf for scorecards. They don’t rely the tv results. No one is going to be able to figure out how you play based on a banker tie or player bet and an amount. It shows nothing. , except of course it would show a martingale. Other than that it would show zero.
Now I’m interested in this convo and I shouldn’t be
What’s odd is that you won’t be there?
Did you expect a surveillance video of the session?
Shouldn’t record keeping have been a main point to push if you weren’t going to be there?
My brain is telling me something is off here and the only thing that is real is that you actually gave real money to these people so I’ll stop talking as of this point until whatever happens happens
Quote: MDawgI'm done playing games with you all right? You have been trying to introduce new or different terms since the beginning, and I acquiesced for a few, but I am not going to allow you to keep changing or adding terms.
The terms of this wager are set. It will proceed.
The only accurate way to judge the results will be from the point of view of a pit boss. It is almost impossible that Wizard could possibly track accurately the amount wagered and whether won or lost on each hand and then use that to decide the results, besides the fact that the terms we agreed on have nothing to do with an average bet, so there is no reason for me to allow the disclosure of anything that is not a part of this wager.
I will make ONE FINAL concession. If the Wizard THINKS he can keep track of every single hand played, and the amount wagered - and I am not going to slow my play whatsoever for him to do that - then he may record that but the ONLY thing that he is allowed to disclose is whether I won or lost the wager. You're not paying to learn how I play, just to learn whether I won or lost this wager.
If you understood how a high end Baccarat shoe is played out, you'd want everything recorded the way I have suggested, especially if you knew how fast I play. Expecting the Wizard to maintain an accurate ongoing tally of plus minus win loss for every single hand is hopelessly optimistic. Much better to monitor the play to make sure all terms are adhered to, and make sure no chips are introduced to the table other than pulled markers, and then count up at the end.
The Wizard will verify that the terms that we agreed to are adhered to and that is it. We're done here. The wager will proceed.
How is what I wrote an issue? I have now agreed with everything you have asked including new terms you keep throwing in.
What is the problem now?
MDawg has given details of his play including wagers and his "system" but as other AP's on here (including myself) have been saying there is more than what MDawg is describing.
I.E. He uses some edge and doesn't want that disclosed.
BTW, I and others have always stated MDawg can be a winner if he utilizes some sort of advantage. I make a living at it myself.
As to EV, he says he too is wealthy, enough to do the same type of wagers as MDawg. This might be a chance for him to grab MDawg's methods
Really, does anyone believe EV is just paying a few grand for an observation?
If all the above is correct I am on MDawg side in this although I just wish he would admit to being an advantage player.
MDawg is clearly concerned with doxxing, being identified, etc. For all his "no one at Baccarat gets barred" assertions, he seems overly concerned with identity
Expecting the Wizard to record each and every hand result accurately is not realistic. He's standing behind me, the casino might not even let someone who is not betting sit down, and he's supposed to mark every single bet as to exact amount wagered and won or lost, also keeping track of commission that is accumulating in the tray, and maintain an accurate running tally, are you serious?
Which makes me think that ExpectedValue doesn't really even care about the end result - maybe he is more interested in getting a record of my action, accurate or not. But, that's not what this bet is about.
If you look at the Wager it sets some terms. There is nothing in what we agreed to stating that some detailed report must be made. I will allow the Wizard to record HOWEVER he chooses, each and every hand if he chooses, and then he will report the end result, win or loss, no more. This is a win or lose matter and that's all there is to it.
I HAVE AGREED TO EVERYTHING INCLUDING THAT WIZARD MAY RECORD THE ACTION AT THE TABLE HOWEVER HE LIKES. Wizard will report that all terms have been adhered to, and the end results only.
If this Wager does not proceed, then it's a straight reneging situation.
Also, Mike could change the avrage bet amount slightly so it doesn't reflect the exact amount, including the bet sizes.
So, what's the problem?
For whatever it is worth, MDawg has made it clear when accepting the bet that he did not want his specific 'system' exposed. Having a list of EXACTLY what bets are made after EXACTLY the results of the previous hands were is exposing his 'system'.
One other problem which has not been expressly discussed is what is 'flat betting'? If MDawg bets $200 for 30 hands, then bets $300 for one hand, then bets $200 for the rest of the hands is that flat betting? If I was the judge, without any specific number of hands mentioned requiring a variation in bet size, my example would qualify as NOT flat betting, and thus be acceptable for MDawg to win the challenge.
These are 'The Days of Our Lives'!
Without records of bets SOOPOOO how would you prevent mdawg from palming 2 yellow chips and puttting them on table. Please do not say that wizard could not be distracting for a split second Recording the hands and results assures that. In face recording the hands and results would alleviate the need to track commission or tips since we can deduct commission manually from the record.
But that's isn't what the challenge was about.. unless that's how he NORMALLY BETS. And if that's the case, then he has been misleading everyone, He calls himself a high limit baccarat player.Quote: SOOPOOI gotta agree with MDawg on this latest twist. If the Wizard says he can verify the result of the wager without the need to write everything down, that is good enough for me. I can assure you, if I was the 'watcher' i would have absolutely no problem with certifying a win or loss just watching the bets and the results. Frankly, it would be easier than 'counting cards' at blackjack.
For whatever it is worth, MDawg has made it clear when accepting the bet that he did not want his specific 'system' exposed. Having a list of EXACTLY what bets are made after EXACTLY the results of the previous hands were is exposing his 'system'.
One other problem which has not been expressly discussed is what is 'flat betting'? If MDawg bets $200 for 30 hands, then bets $300 for one hand, then bets $200 for the rest of the hands is that flat betting? If I was the judge, without any specific number of hands mentioned requiring a variation in bet size, my example would qualify as NOT flat betting, and thus be acceptable for MDawg to win the challenge.
These are 'The Days of Our Lives'!
Quote: ExpectedvalueI am not bending on this at all. Either mdawg agrees to the wizard records the wagers bets size and the like. Or I am out by 5pm California time today.
Without records of bets SOOPOOO how would you prevent mdawg from palming 2 yellow chips and puttting them on table. Please do not say that wizard could not be distracting for a split second Recording the hands and results assures that. In face recording the hands and results would alleviate the need to track commission or tips since we can deduct commission manually from the record.
We can agree to disagree. If I was the judge I would have NO TROUBLE keeping a running tally in my head.
Quote: SOOPOOI gotta agree with MDawg on this latest twist. If the Wizard says he can verify the result of the wager without the need to write everything down, that is good enough for me. I can assure you, if I was the 'watcher' i would have absolutely no problem with certifying a win or loss just watching the bets and the results. Frankly, it would be easier than 'counting cards' at blackjack.
For whatever it is worth, MDawg has made it clear when accepting the bet that he did not want his specific 'system' exposed. Having a list of EXACTLY what bets are made after EXACTLY the results of the previous hands were is exposing his 'system'.
One issue that is ongoing here...for example when I started PM'ing the Wizard March 22nd I believe it was, I wanted to meet him immediately. And with each subsequent PM, I offered to meet him right away. For whatever reason, that meeting wasn't able to be scheduled.
And now we have this wager where ExpectedValue added a term about how this must happen within 30 days. As well, we have now been in Vegas going on about a month. We won't be here forever. I play my own sessions most every day and having to schedule this one with the Wizard for a mere $2000. becomes more of an inconvenience than anything else as this matter drags on. The Wizard is busy, I play lately just a couple of hours per day, and trying to merge his schedule and mine isn't as easy as it would seem.
ExpectedValue has proposed specific terms which Wizard and I accepted, and keeps adding new ones to the fray, that he should have thought about to begin with. I am ready to proceed. He's just going to have to trust the Wizard to judge this fairly, and if he doesn't trust the Wizard then he shouldn't have designated him as the judge.
I am fine with the Wizard recording however he chooses fit. And then at the end, Wizard will disclose simply that the terms have been met, and whether I won or lost. And again, if ExpectedValue has issues with the Wizard's ability to judge then he should not have picked him as the judge and paid him for his judging time.
