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April 5th, 2021 at 4:53:56 AM permalink
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The numbers are correct. My latest average as mentioned by my host was 1200, but then the very next day, I played one shoe only (Day 17), and won over +4000, playing at - barely a 400 average (guessing, I don't always ask the pit boss what my average is, just sometimes I feel like busting the pit boss' chops and trying to negotiate my average higher, because I know most all of these pit bosses and I may say anything to them) - so that Day 17 might have brought my average down a little, to the 1000 or so figure.

By the way, I try to always play alone. I mention that mostly because with just one player at the table there is very little these guys miss, and the wins they record and the average bets I make are I am certain very accurately recorded. For example on my Day 2 play, a suit came out of nowhere and declared that I had been "shortchanged" 500 at some point in the past, and had the dealer hand me another 500 chip, which confirms what I have always known, that they are watching like hawks.



It's nice they're so professional and honest. Will help keep you and others as customers, to be sure.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:01:29 AM permalink
I try to be the same way. I've had dealers pay me by mistake at Baccarat and I point out the mistake instantly. (Granted, those were couple hundred dollar mistakes, would I have remained mum if thousands were at stake? I can't say for sure!)

One time during a trip over a year ago I believe it was, I was playing a commissionless table (as I recall it was a table where they paid 1/2 if bank won with a 6) and they paid me full. Some time later the phone rang, and the pit boss relayed the message that I owed back the half I had been paid in error. I recall the sum being not much, two hundred or so I owed. But again goes back to how closely they are watching.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:02:09 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

, which confirms what I have always known, that they are watching like hawks.



At times they are, and at times they are not.

But its all on tape, all of it.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:02:45 AM permalink
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Sure is blatantly personal to extreme levels for a handful of members here!

Wow O Wow!

Down to even accusing some of us of being sock puppets and co-conspirators to justify their own personal assumptions with no real proof as well.



The correct answer would be "no, I am not a sock puppet"
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:13:05 AM permalink
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At times they are, and at times they are not.

But its all on tape, all of it.


I agree.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:13:39 AM permalink
This thread is a mess.
Win loss records are easily faked coach belly
For instance a credit player can take an 8k marker

Someone can give him 3k in chips like his wife . Her buy in wasnít recorded . He colors up 11k. Before you go telling me they keep records . With short sessions it would be completely negligible if someone added 500-1k to their stack and switched tables and did again. Also at the stakes mdawg says he plays. At the casino he says he stays at . 1k average for 1 hour a day does not get the comps that he is saying. Most strip casinos will comp two ways. Actual or Theo. Actual they comp at 10 percent. Theo 20-30. If anyone say back and did the math they would see that it didnít correlate.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:13:48 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I try to be the same way. I've had dealers pay me by mistake at Baccarat and I point out the mistake instantly. (Granted, those were couple hundred dollar mistakes, would I have remained mum if thousands were at stake? I can't say for sure!)

One time during a trip over a year ago I believe it was, I was playing a commissionless table (as I recall it was a table where they paid 1/2 if bank won with a 6) and they paid me full. Some time later the phone rang, and the pit boss relayed the message that I owed back the half I had been paid in error. I recall the sum being not much, two hundred or so I owed. But again goes back to how closely they are watching.



What's interesting, too, is that anyone can earn well if they can work out how to legitimately win overall. They just need to tally up wins, losses, and calculate an average. As long as one consistently wins overall, they can increase their bet size and rake it in.

They need to practise over countless hands though, to make sure the occasional catastrophic loss doesn't bankrupt their system.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:28:19 AM permalink
I divide my "gaming experience" into Vegas 1.0 and Vegas 2.0 My first go at this I got to the point where my average bet was 3000. In those days I had one trip when I won mid six figures, at least a few maybe it was several where I won low six figures, and then many when I would win or lose low to mid five figures, although more winners at that five figure level for sure than losers. Over all I ended up ahead, but got tired of the ups and downs. Back then I made all the mistakes I DON'T make today, such as chasing losses, playing at multiple casinos (essentially running around town to win back whatever I lost at one casino), and multiple sessions per day that wore me down mentally.

I was very young and more reckless then I suppose.

I quit while ahead and took a decade or so hiatus, completed law school, built up and sold a couple of businesses, and returned to Vegas 2.0 in late 2018, mostly because I had too much money on my hands and maybe was yearning a tad for a return to that occasional Vegas Vacation lifestyle. Since then I have been completely disciplined, played at lower levels, and haven't had even one losing trip. Actually when I started I intended to play solely for comps, and not even worry about winning, but, gradually, I started playing harder, winning more, and today I am more in the 1000 average range.

The last time we were here my play at just one casino we stayed at was: something like 80 hours at about a 1200 average, which gave me a theoretical loss of about -80K, and they comp'ed us in a pretty large suite (about 1300 square feet), fully RFB which in the US means all room food and beverage comp'ed, and we stayed, like a MONTH at that casino, and I ended up winning 54K at that casino plus another 20K at the others, for a total trip win of about 74K. Now, that's a good Vegas Vacation! Although...so far, this one is turning out to be even better!

During that month long stay there was the one day I lost at that casino (and then ran across the street to win it back). My host at the month long stay casino kept saying that I would have been up even more if I hadn't had that one bad session. Maybe...maybe not...maybe we would have just left that property around fifty grand ahead, no matter what.

I am not sure if you care about comps or how they work, but we don't live in Vegas so the comps are important to me as well as the winning, although of course the winning is the most important.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:43:34 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I divide my "gaming experience" into Vegas 1.0 and Vegas 2.0 My first go at this I got to the point where my average bet was 3000. In those days I had one trip when I won mid six figures, at least a few maybe it was several where I won low six figures, and then many when I would win or lose low to mid five figures, although more winners at that five figure level for sure than losers. Over all I ended up ahead, but got tired of the ups and downs. Back then I made all the mistakes I DON'T make today, such as chasing losses, playing at multiple casinos (essentially running around town to win back whatever I lost at one casino), and multiple sessions per day that wore me down mentally.

I was very young and more reckless then I suppose.

I quit while ahead and took a decade or so hiatus, completed law school, built up and sold a couple of businesses, and returned to Vegas 2.0 in late 2018, mostly because I had too much money on my hands and maybe was yearning a tad for a return to that occasional Vegas Vacation lifestyle. Since then I have been completely disciplined, played at lower levels, and haven't had even one losing trip. Actually when I started I intended to play solely for comps, and not even worry about winning, but, gradually, I started playing harder, winning more, and today I am more in the 1000 average range.

The last time we were here my play at just one casino we stayed at was: something like 80 hours at about a 1200 average, which gave me a theoretical loss of about -80K, and they comp'ed us in a pretty large suite (about 1300 square feet), fully RFB which in the US means all room food and beverage comp'ed, and we stayed, like a MONTH at that casino, and I ended up winning 54K at that casino plus another 20K at the others, for a total trip win of about 74K. Now, that's a good Vegas Vacation! Although...so far, this one is turning out to be even better!

I am not sure if you care about comps or how they work, but we don't live in Vegas so the comps are important to me as well as the winning, although of course the winning is the most important.



I'm Australian and we do have some casinos here. The one where I live (Crown Resorts) is pretty posh. I'm sure they'd offer comps of some sort. I haven't played much for real. Just a few times and lost. I have though, been trialing different strategies online. I'm rather hopeful of perfecting a winning strategy, and then trying it for real.

Until I'm a consistent winner online, I won't bother giving my money to a casino.

Did you know that one of the most famous gamblers, if not THE most famous, at the US casinos, was Australian?
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:46:33 AM permalink
I know exactly whom you mean and I witnessed Kerry Packer play personally in Vegas right around 9/11/2001. By then he was toting an oxygen tank around with him but it didn't stop him from high limit Baccarat. Back then they didn't yet have the private salons so there was no real way to keep the public from observing.

I was told he lost a lot that trip but it didn't stop him from tipping out massive sums to the dealers. That's pretty generous in my opinion - I tip only when I win, which fortunately, is most all the time. Lately it is all the time!
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April 5th, 2021 at 8:00:01 AM permalink
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This is why you don't ever want to leave Vegas on a Sunday,


at least not if you are driving.

However, it is another sign, as I discussed before, of that the city is getting busier.

Looks like normal weekend normal traffic between Vegas and SoCal. They need to widen I-15 at some point
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:01:28 AM permalink
I-15 was only two lanes, one each direction in the Fear and Loathing days, no?

The crowds are definitely returning. I do believe some of the top resorts still have deals on their rooms which seems to continue to attract a lower end crowd, but the general quality and look of the crowd is improved from Fall 2021.

The Chelsea at the Cosmo is offering us free tickets to concerts in July and October 2021, and we were offered private tickets to an event at Wynn for this April 2021. Wynn actually had some private comedian shows even in Winter 2021 while we were there last year, but we declined to go. We figured if we weren't up for sitting in a restaurant we didn't want to expose ourselves to unmasked people at even small venue events.

This trip we continue to do take out only no dine in.
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:25:20 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I'm sure there are a few good reasons someone might want to fake wins.

3) Showing proof of income for various reasons, such as a loan to buy a house



That's how lenders qualify borrowers for mortgages?

They contact casinos for the applicant's win-loss statements?

What's that...Bank Fraud 101?
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:30:56 AM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue


For instance a credit player can take an 8k marker
Someone can give him 3k in chips like his wife . Her buy in wasnít recorded . He colors up 11k.



The supervisor reconciles the tray with the chips in play regularly.

I'm not sure a player would be able to sneak $80K in chips into the game.

Could a confederate even pass $80K in cash for chips without getting detected?
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:58:34 AM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

That's how lenders qualify borrowers for mortgages?

They contact casinos for the applicant's win-loss statements?

What's that...Bank Fraud 101?


........

no they donít contact the casinos

Reporting fake income is a common (and illegal) way to qualify for loans that someone otherwise would not be able to get.
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:59:16 AM permalink
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The supervisor reconciles the tray with the chips in play regularly.

I'm not sure a player would be able to sneak $80K in chips into the game.

Could a confederate even pass $80K in cash for chips without getting detected?



Yesterday
9am to 3pm
14 posts
Wow
This forum is a fulltime job for you
This is your life
Internet addiction is not good
Especially this forum off all places
ROTFL
Going for internet warrior for the year?
Wow.
Coach decided to spend Easter on the WOV forum
You may need help
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April 5th, 2021 at 10:59:54 AM permalink
dup post
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April 5th, 2021 at 11:09:22 AM permalink
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Internet addiction is not good



Did you count your own posts from yesterday?
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April 5th, 2021 at 11:13:08 AM permalink
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Did you count your own posts from yesterday?



I spent the whole day at Lake Tahoe and Truckee sight seeing
I see you spent the whole day on WOV defending a bac player
There is a difference
LOL
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April 5th, 2021 at 11:35:26 AM permalink
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There is a difference



The difference is that I spent the day with my family.

Any homeless person can go wander around Lake Tahoe,
but I saw what life is REALLY about.

Is that something you could ever manage or hope to see?
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April 5th, 2021 at 11:44:36 AM permalink
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The difference is that I spent the day with my family.

It's nice to know you think of us as your family.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 5th, 2021 at 12:19:48 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Yesterday
9am to 3pm
14 posts
Wow
This forum is a fulltime job for you
This is your life
Internet addiction is not good
Especially this forum off all places
ROTFL
Going for internet warrior for the year?
Wow.
Coach decided to spend Easter on the WOV forum
You may need help



You have been warned that I view this as trolling Mdawg. Seven-day suspension.
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April 5th, 2021 at 12:20:15 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Yesterday
9am to 3pm
14 posts
Wow
This forum is a fulltime job for you
This is your life
Internet addiction is not good
Especially this forum off all places
ROTFL
Going for internet warrior for the year?
Wow.
Coach decided to spend Easter on the WOV forum
You may need help



You have been warned that I view this as trolling Mdawg. Seven-day suspension.
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:07:42 PM permalink
Mdawg should be suspended for trolling everyone in my opinion. This is a math based forum wizard. For how long would it take before you think itís all made up? 2000 winning sessions in a row? Meeting him, will put a name
With a face but in his original challenge he was willing to let someone watch him play. Now he isnít willing to let you watch. Since he likes free money I would be willing to pay wizard 500 for his time and mdawg 2k for allowing wizard to watch for one full session. Provided the minimum bets and table and markers are as he said. Now is time to put up or shut up. I will be happy to send the wizard or any other mod the Btc upfront upon agreement of this
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:23:38 PM permalink
I wonder if the M in MDawg stands for Marcus?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:35:30 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

Since he likes free money I would be willing to pay wizard 500 for his time and mdawg 2k for allowing wizard to watch for one full session. Provided the minimum bets and table and markers are as he said. Now is time to put up or shut up. I will be happy to send the wizard or any other mod the Btc upfront upon agreement of this



I agree.
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:49:29 PM permalink
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I agree.

So his avrage bet is 1k per hand? And he claims his average ADT is $1200 per day in comps?

I would also suggest that you keep an eye out for partner betting.

One must trade in their math monocle for a detective monocle and keep it on at all times.

I'm not sure I trust your willingness to ferret out the truth in a thorough way. Would it be a fair statement to say you are very good at figuring out if the math adds up but perhaps lacking when it comes to misdirection and other shenanigans? I would love to see someone like Dan Druff or a 3rd party with no real Dawg in this fight.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:49:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I agree.

So his avrage bet is 1k per hand? And he claims his average ADT is $1200 per day in comps?

I would also suggest that you keep an eye out for partner betting.

One must trade in their math monocle for a detective monocle and keep it on at all times.

I'm not sure I trust your willingness to ferret out the truth in a thorough way. Would it be a fair statement to say you are very good at figuring out if the math adds up but perhaps lacking when it comes to misdirection and other shenanigans? I would love to see someone like Dan Druff or a 3rd party with no real Dawg in this fight.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 5th, 2021 at 1:51:52 PM permalink
Thank you wizard. Iíd prefer to work out the details in public so everything is out In the open. It is my understand the session must consist of a minimum of one shoe, with bets for 75 percent of the hands. Markers will be pulled in mdawg and wizard presence. Wizard will be able verify chips on table at all times. The session will result in a win. If Iím leavibn put any details the mdawg mentions in his normal posts I hope the forum will post it in the thread I am creating
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:27:08 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

Mdawg should be suspended for trolling everyone in my opinion. This is a math based forum wizard. For how long would it take before you think itís all made up? 2000 winning sessions in a row? Meeting him, will put a name
With a face but in his original challenge he was willing to let someone watch him play. Now he isnít willing to let you watch. Since he likes free money I would be willing to pay wizard 500 for his time and mdawg 2k for allowing wizard to watch for one full session. Provided the minimum bets and table and markers are as he said. Now is time to put up or shut up. I will be happy to send the wizard or any other mod the Btc upfront upon agreement of this



Yeah, math based...and card counting is proof that people can win using math!
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:35:55 PM permalink
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I would love to see someone like Dan Druff or a 3rd party with no real Dawg in this fight.



What does the statement above mean?

You would love to see "a 3rd party with no real Dawg in this fight" do what?
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:37:36 PM permalink
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I agree.



Would you accept a fee to meet MDawg according to the scenario outlined
in the PM that MDawg posted earlier?
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:38:14 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I know exactly whom you mean and I witnessed Kerry Packer play personally in Vegas right around 9/11/2001. By then he was toting an oxygen tank around with him but it didn't stop him from high limit Baccarat. Back then they didn't yet have the private salons so there was no real way to keep the public from observing.

I was told he lost a lot that trip but it didn't stop him from tipping out massive sums to the dealers. That's pretty generous in my opinion - I tip only when I win, which fortunately, is most all the time. Lately it is all the time!



Thereís a lot to like about Kerry Packer. I would never have thought an Australian would out do anyone from the US as far as amounts used in the US casinos. Thatís as far as I know. If my memory serves me correctly, he would often lay wads of cash down for each bet, $300,000 each!

If Iím reading things right, I think he was enjoying the crowd watching him, too.
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:40:51 PM permalink
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I will be happy to send the wizard or any other mod the Btc upfront upon agreement of this

I'll accept BTC at this address...
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:52:17 PM permalink
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April 5th, 2021 at 2:57:35 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

What does the statement above mean?

You would love to see "a 3rd party with no real Dawg in this fight" do what?

Make sure there is no misdirection or shenanigans afoot. I do not think Mike is the best at detecting such thing's.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ace2
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April 5th, 2021 at 3:29:42 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I-15 was only two lanes, one each direction in the Fear and Loathing days, no?

I donít think US interstate highways were ever less than four lanes
Itís all about making that GTA
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April 5th, 2021 at 3:42:54 PM permalink
Quote: Expectedvalue

Mdawg should be suspended for trolling everyone in my opinion. This is a math based forum wizard. For how long would it take before you think itís all made up? 2000 winning sessions in a row? Meeting him, will put a name
With a face but in his original challenge he was willing to let someone watch him play. Now he isnít willing to let you watch. Since he likes free money I would be willing to pay wizard 500 for his time and mdawg 2k for allowing wizard to watch for one full session. Provided the minimum bets and table and markers are as he said. Now is time to put up or shut up. I will be happy to send the wizard or any other mod the Btc upfront upon agreement of this



Thou art unblocked on a post by post basis. Do not assume automatically that I am reading anything other than this exact post from ExpectedValue as he remains blocked to me.

I accept this exact proposal. The Wizard will get 500 for his time for watching and I will get 2000 for my time for showing up and playing in front of him.

If there is any attempt to alter this proposal, and I mean in any way, add additional terms, or to try to make this out into an attempt to doxx me, then the arrangement is off. The particulars of the meeting place must be arranged in private between the Wizard and me, and I must have the Wizard's word that no one else will be invited to this, or that any information that is revealed about me, where I play, what I look like, or my name or anything personal about me, will be kept confidential. I understand that this ExpectedValue has spent some days trying to find me in Vegas so I want to make sure this is not just a further ruse to try to unearth me for reasons unknown.

I am playing a session most every day so this will just be another one. If I am up six grand after twenty hands I may stop. If it takes me four shoes to get back to even, so be it. I'm not going to play any differently from however I always play, and it will be at the tables I always play at which are $100. minimum tables. $2000. is nice but it's not worth blowing a marker or markers over, which I will go ahead and add that I will most likely pull an $8K marker for this session, since that is my usual start, and as always I try to play alone.

I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
OnceDear
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April 5th, 2021 at 3:50:26 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I accept this exact proposal.
If there is any attempt to alter this proposal, and I mean in any way

Quote:

If I am up six grand after twenty hands I may stop.


Soooo. Didn't you just say that you'd accept the exact proposal and then double back and say you might play less rounds that the terms.... Thus removing Wizard's and your own incentive to meet?

Quote:

Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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April 5th, 2021 at 3:55:05 PM permalink
Listen if the "bull poop" and games are starting already then forget it. Look over my session reports for the past 17 days? Have there been sessions where I barely played a third of a shoe and left? YES. Have there been sessions where I played five shoes? YES. If I win quickly I just leave. If it takes a while, I stick around.

If this is the direction this is going in already then forget it. Two grand means - spit to me, if I have to alter the way I play just to earn it. Too much real money is at stake at each of my sessions. I accept the offer as laid down.

I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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April 5th, 2021 at 3:59:00 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Didn't you just say that you'd accept the exact proposal and then double back and say you might play less rounds that the terms....



The terms above say "one full session".

How many hands does the proposal above say that is ?
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:02:24 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

The terms above say "one full session".

How many hands does the proposal above say that is ?

Touche.
The session length definition was in the other thread. Very lax.
It will be interesting whether EV will roll with the proposal in this thread.

Meanwhile https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3H9He1vZEYLH2ixrEZqk44dFvCvJNj6V5D
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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Thanks for this post from:
OnceDear
April 5th, 2021 at 4:03:47 PM permalink
Doesn't say anything about number of hands. My sessions vary in length, sometimes less than a shoe sometimes many shoes.


But one thing you all are going to have to learn about me is that I am for real. I won't go in there and putz around to get 2000. I will play the way I always play.

Do I need to repeat myself? I accept this exact proposal.

I see that Wizard accepted the exact proposal too in this thread.


What's next.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:08:11 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Doesn't say anything about number of hands. My sessions vary in length, sometimes less than a shoe sometimes many shoes.


But one thing you all are going to have to learn about me is that I am for real. I won't go in there and putz around to get a measly 2000. I will play the way I always play.

Do I need to repeat myself? I accept this exact proposal. What's next.

Then, In spite of some saying this is an ill defined freeroll by EV, I wish the venture every success. I guess the 3 of you can make it happen without further ado. Forgive us for being interested in how it pans out.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:11:34 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg


I see that Wizard accepted the exact proposal too.


What's next.

You're the attorney :o)
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:15:15 PM permalink
Okay well everything is done at our end as far as offer and acceptance. CONSIDERATION is next. BTC sent to the Wizard to hold?

I will be away from the computer for a while....
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:22:00 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Okay well everything is done at our end as far as offer and acceptance. CONSIDERATION is next. BTC sent to the Wizard to hold?

I will be away from the computer for a while....

Cool. I hope you can resolve any non-explicit terms to everyones satisfaction.
Bring on the side bets :o)

What's the over/under on this taking place within the next 7 days?
What's the over/under on Mdawg ending the session with EV's BTC?
What's the over/under on EV sending his BTC to me.....
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3H9He1vZEYLH2ixrEZqk44dFvCvJNj6V5D
Not as escrow, but just for me to spend on me
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:37:36 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

Bring on the side bets



Is there moneyline action on whether Expectedvalue
gets suspended if he withdraws?

How about over/under on the length of the suspension?

How long was MDawg suspended when he withdrew his challenge?
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April 5th, 2021 at 4:48:01 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Is there moneyline action on whether Expectedvalue
gets suspended if he withdraws?

How about over/under on the length of the suspension?

How long was MDawg suspended when he withdrew his challenge?

Let's have no more lobbying for ANYONE to get suspended in this thread.
Psalm 25:16 Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted. Proverbs 18:2 A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
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April 5th, 2021 at 5:01:08 PM permalink
I clearly said 57 hands - or an entire shoe betting 75 percent of the hands. At a minimum bet to be discussed, I do not see anywhere on any thread that you bet only 100. Everyone here knows the difference and what you talk about . Iím all about making this happen as I put out there. There was a list of things to agree to. Not some random you sit play 100 for 57 hands and try and make 2k. It was for you to show wizard how you win. Let him write about it in detail . The point of pulling the marker , and it must be a marker based on credit and not front money obviously. For 8 k since that is what you said you always pull. All I am asking is for you to play your normal game and Iím basically compensating you for your time provided you win like you always do

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