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March 14th, 2021 at 7:52:04 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Why do those that do not enjoy, learn something, find interesting, side with and other values along those lines have to comment and insinuate innuendos that are negative and or attempts to degrade?

Why do they waste their own time?
Why do they expose their own jealousy?
Why read something you find a waste of time?
Why involve yourself with something you claim is fraudulent?

Why? Seriously, why?



If you find my comments a waste of time why are reading them?

Why? Seriously why?
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March 14th, 2021 at 8:31:47 AM permalink
Why?

Because, this is actually freaking better than Maude, WKRP in Cincinnati and The Jeffersons all wrapped up into one. Oh yeah throw All in the Family in there also!

Sincerely,
Marcus Clark

P.S. I have seen an abundance of casino property documents such as win loss statements, checks, promo advertisements and mailouts and all the rest of it. Whatever Mdwag posted is pretty much spot-on (Operational casino floor and back room procedures, percentages, etc). There's nothing that is clearly fabricated or made up in his posted documents. As far as the names and who's who and all of that, it doesn't really matter and no I cannot comment on it as well as you cannot comment on that as welll. As far as his description and what he has allegedly done and what he does and what he experiences, it's all spot on in the way it goes down in high/higher limits table play, I will say that.

Been there and done that, with all of my security personnel, casino management, State gaming officials, local law enforcement, federal law enforcement and numerous other people that we deal with on a daily, weekly and monthly basis in major casinos.

But again if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Seriously baby, I feel bad for those that invest so much time and trying to knock this gentleman off the board and retaliate against him.

Peace Out.
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March 14th, 2021 at 9:21:23 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Why?

Because, this is actually freaking better than Maude, WKRP in Cincinnati and The Jeffersons all wrapped up into one. Oh yeah throw All in the Family in there also!

Sincerely,
Marcus Clark

P.S. I have seen an abundance of casino property documents such as win loss statements, checks, promo advertisements and mailouts and all the rest of it. Whatever Mdwag posted is pretty much spot-on (Operational casino floor and back room procedures, percentages, etc). There's nothing that is clearly fabricated or made up in his posted documents. As far as the names and who's who and all of that, it doesn't really matter and no I cannot comment on it as well as you cannot comment on that as welll. As far as his description and what he has allegedly done and what he does and what he experiences, it's all spot on in the way it goes down in high/higher limits table play, I will say that.

Been there and done that, with all of my security personnel, casino management, State gaming officials, local law enforcement, federal law enforcement and numerous other people that we deal with on a daily, weekly and monthly basis in major casinos.

But again if you don't like it, go somewhere else. Seriously baby, I feel bad for those that invest so much time and trying to knock this gentleman off the board and retaliate against him.

Peace Out.



I'm not of the opinion his documents or even photos are fake. That's Axel.

I just don't believe he is being comped to the level he claims nor winning.

My opinion is he pays for all the rooms. Probably does rate for cheques and credit. Probably does own some nice watches.

Just doesn't win consistently at Baccarat!
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March 14th, 2021 at 10:12:39 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I'm not of the opinion his documents or even photos are fake. That's Axel.

I just don't believe he is being comped to the level he claims nor winning.

My opinion is he pays for all the rooms. Probably does rate for cheques and credit. Probably does own some nice watches.

Just doesn't win consistently at Baccarat!



I will obliquely re-use my previous analogy. If you read Spider-Man comic books, what you will find is that every aspect of Manhattan is pretty much accurate. Everything. An archeologist a thousand years from now digging up Spider-Man comics will find that they are pristinely accurate regarding all things historical...with the exception of the existence of everyone's favorite wall-crawler. So everything jives except the dude doing the unique, odds-against stuff like web-slinging and having the proportionate strength of a spider.

My point is that the fact that the Empire State building and subway lines and Statue of Liberty are present in the comic books does not in any way actually provide support for the existence of Spider-Man. Drawing that conclusion is the classic "Spider-Man" argument. Just like the Bible being more accurate than inaccurate regarding historical details is not evidence of somebody coming back from the dead.

Taking that logical analogy and applying it to the current MDawg scenario, one is not strong-armed into buying into long-term baccarat winning just because other elements of the story are contextually accurate. One need not buy into the odds-against stuff just because nothing looks wrong with the rest of it.
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March 14th, 2021 at 11:24:07 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

I will obliquely re-use my previous analogy. If you read Spider-Man comic books, what you will find is that every aspect of Manhattan is pretty much accurate. Everything. An archeologist a thousand years from now digging up Spider-Man comics will find that they are pristinely accurate regarding all things historical...with the exception of the existence of everyone's favorite wall-crawler. So everything jives except the dude doing the unique, odds-against stuff like web-slinging and having the proportionate strength of a spider.

My point is that the fact that the Empire State building and subway lines and Statue of Liberty are present in the comic books does not in any way actually provide support for the existence of Spider-Man. Drawing that conclusion is the classic "Spider-Man" argument. Just like the Bible being more accurate than inaccurate regarding historical details is not evidence of somebody coming back from the dead.

Taking that logical analogy and applying it to the current MDawg scenario, one is not strong-armed into buying into long-term baccarat winning just because other elements of the story are contextually accurate. One need not buy into the odds-against stuff just because nothing looks wrong with the rest of it.



EXCELLENT & THANKS!

However I cannot vouch for Mdawg and I cannot 100% truly guarantee what he is saying he has done. THE SAME AS Y'ALL CANNOT SAY OTHERWISE. But I can say the documents, the percentages, the casino operational protocols and procedures and all the rest of it, is in my opinion as a casino professional and someone employed in the casino business who is familiar with it on a daily basis, spot-on.

And I believe, that's all I have ever said. As far as my opinion and my voice in this controversial matter, I have no reason to doubt he has done and does what he says/said.
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March 14th, 2021 at 12:03:44 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

People gambling real money in a casino reading on a gambling forum prior to going would need disclosures such as you're mentioning? I am at a total loss why that would even be necessary.




Part of MDawg's response to my question:

"As far as winning:
The caveat would be - that all the years I have high rolled at Baccarat and Blackjack I am the only one I have observed to win consistently, and win at levels that actually mean something, not just grinding out a few bucks. And although I was banned from Blackjack for a couple of years or so, I am not banned anywhere now. Other players, pit bosses, dealers, have all remarked the same - that I am the only one they've seen win consistently. Which means that the chances that you'll end up with my track record are small."

Marcus, do you want to ignore this bit of information provided? If that is the case why?
Or do you think that it should all be up to the individual readers to figure it out for themselves?
I know that casinos love to talk about big winners so obviously, they love all the publicity that those large MDawg threads provide.
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March 14th, 2021 at 12:07:47 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Just doesn't win consistently at Baccarat!



Just one of those giant casinos in Macau has 800 baccarat tables. At any given time 400 of them are open. And that's just at one casino. Thousands of people play Baccarat everyday in Macau. And you think there's not a single person there who is not beating the game, who does not consistently win? That every single one all of those players is a consistent loser. Do you really believe that?
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March 14th, 2021 at 12:14:08 PM permalink
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Part of MDawg's response to my question:

"As far as winning:
The caveat would be - that all the years I have high rolled at Baccarat and Blackjack I am the only one I have observed to win consistently, and win at levels that actually mean something, not just grinding out a few bucks. And although I was banned from Blackjack for a couple of years or so, I am not banned anywhere now. Other players, pit bosses, dealers, have all remarked the same - that I am the only one they've seen win consistently. Which means that the chances that you'll end up with my track record are small."

Marcus, do you want to ignore this bit of information provided, if that is the case why?
Or do you think that it should all up to all the individual readers to figure it out for themselves?
I know that casinos love to talk about big winners so obviously, they love all the publicity that those large MDawg threads provide.



Yes casinos love to talk about the winners and they do not talk about the losers. I'm at the casino today on a series of emergencies in fact. I'm just taking a lunch break and I hear over the speaker system Mister so-and-so just won $38,000 and change at a certain slot machine and Mrs so-and-so just won $9,800 and change on a certain slot machine. I also heard earlier in the day one of the progressive type of jack pots on one of the table games was also won for $20,000 and change. Of course they talk about winners that's advertising. Losers would be derogatory to a business. The same way that Walmart does not talk about there are other stores out there that have cheaper prices. And Walmart will not stop you from spending your entire paycheck on video games, or tools, or toys for your kids. Same way a designer clothes shop will not stop you from spending tens of thousands of dollars on designer clothes and purses for your spouse. No matter how you obtained the money it does not matter to the store or your financial position, they're glad to accept your cash or your credit. That's why they're in business the same as a casino.

And regarding the question, "Or do you think that it should all up to all the individual readers to figure it out for themselves?" Yes, up to each reader of course,
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March 14th, 2021 at 12:26:09 PM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Yes casinos love to talk about the winners and they do not talk about the losers. I'm at the casino today on a series of emergencies in fact. I'm just taking a lunch break and I hear over the speaker system Mister so-and-so just won $38,000 and change at a certain slot machine and Mrs so-and-so just won $9,800 and change on a certain slot machine. I also heard earlier in the day one of the progressive type of jack pots on one of the table games was also won for $20,000 and change. Of course they talk about winners that's advertising. Losers would be derogatory to a business. The same way that Walmart does not talk about there are other stores out there that have cheaper prices. And Walmart will not stop you from spending your entire paycheck on video games, or tools, or toys for your kids. Same way a designer clothes shop will not stop you from spending tens of thousands of dollars on designer clothes and purses for your spouse. No matter how you obtained the money it does not matter to the store or your financial position, they're glad to accept your cash or your credit. That's why they're in business the same as a casino.

And regarding the question, "Or do you think that it should all up to all the individual readers to figure it out for themselves?" Yes, up to each reader of course,



I rest my case!
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March 14th, 2021 at 1:14:57 PM permalink
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I rest my case!



Marcus Clark wrote:

"P.S. I have seen an abundance of casino property documents such as win loss statements, checks, promo advertisements and mailouts and all the rest of it. Whatever Mdwag posted is pretty much spot-on (Operational casino floor and back room procedures, percentages, etc). There's nothing that is clearly fabricated or made up in his posted documents. As far as the names and who's who and all of that, it doesn't really matter and no I cannot comment on it as well as you cannot comment on that as welll. As far as his description and what he has allegedly done and what he does and what he experiences, it's all spot on in the way it goes down in high/higher limits table play, I will say that.

Been there and done that, with all of my security personnel, casino management, State gaming officials, local law enforcement, federal law enforcement and numerous other people that we deal with on a daily, weekly and monthly basis in major casinos."



Well, we know what side of the ledger that you represent. Regarding security personnel "I am not saying yours" but for the most part the profession itself often overreacts to situations and likely do not know the laws that they are trying to uphold. Basically very unprofessional with a well-deserved bad reputation.
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March 14th, 2021 at 2:00:57 PM permalink
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Just one of those giant casinos in Macau has 800 baccarat tables. At any given time 400 of them are open. And that's just at one casino. Thousands of people play Baccarat everyday in Macau. And you think there's not a single person there who is not beating the game, who does not consistently win? That every single one all of those players is a consistent loser. Do you really believe that?



Correct.

If your only reasoning is lots of people gamble so someone must be able to beat the game, that is ridiculous false logic
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March 14th, 2021 at 2:02:05 PM permalink
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And although I was banned from Blackjack for a couple of years or so, I am not banned anywhere now.



Can you clarify why you were banned at blackjack for a couple years? And how you went about getting "unbanned"?
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March 14th, 2021 at 2:51:16 PM permalink
........................


all the guy has ever revealed about his winning ways is this - unless I missed something which I don't think I did -



1. he doesn't chase his losses

2. he bets streaks

3. he sometimes increases his bets - he hasn't said when he does this - but my guess would be to capitalize on streaks



no pro gambler anywhere would say that that is a formula for long run winnings



top gamblers like James Grosjean or Tommy Hyland would laugh in your face if you tried to tell them that



if you tried to join Tommy's team and told him that he'd throw you out of the room and say "don't come back"




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March 14th, 2021 at 4:37:21 PM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

........................


all the guy has ever revealed about his winning ways is this - unless I missed something which I don't think I did -



1. he doesn't chase his losses

2. he bets streaks

3. he sometimes increases his bets - he hasn't said when he does this - but my guess would be to capitalize on streaks



no pro gambler anywhere would say that that is a formula for long run winnings



top gamblers like James Grosjean or Tommy Hyland would laugh in your face if you tried to tell them that



if you tried to join Tommy's team and told him that he'd throw you out of the room and say "don't come back"
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"all the guy has ever revealed about his winning ways is this - unless I missed something which I don't think I did -"

Regarding the first sentence that you wrote, I think that you missed something big. I also think that plenty of people including myself missed the purpose of what was behind the long thread. I think it was the lifestyle itself that he could afford and live that MDawg was most proud of. The gaming results were more of just a welcoming bonus. He plays the market all year and the Los Vegas trips are more of a deserved relaxation to him. The question that I presented to him this week I thought that he answered truthfully, and did clear up plenty as far as I was concerned.. Plus he did not owe me an answer or the board but he did. Sometimes you have to read between the lines I thought it made plenty of sense.

Here is his post again:

March 12th, 2021 at 9:34:21
"To do exactly what I do you'd need high credit lines and, more importantly, the ability to pay them off without incurring any sort of financial hardship. In other words - playing with money you may afford to lose. I can't imagine playing confidently if I couldn't afford to lose.

You would also need to understand how to work the comp system and any player advantages. High credit lines factor into all this - cash on deposit is probably not going to get you the same level of comps. I've mastered all that to the point where I can get duplicate comps and cash back or goods for a number of things across multiple resorts. Some of those advantages I used in the distant past when I would have up and down trips, others I keep in reserve for today just in case.

Someone could do what I do at a lower level with less money, but working the system is harder when playing smaller as they don't care about enticing your small time business.

As far as winning:
The caveat would be - that all the years I have high rolled at Baccarat and Blackjack I am the only one I have observed to win consistently, and win at levels that actually mean something, not just grinding out a few bucks. And although I was banned from Blackjack for a couple of years or so, I am not banned anywhere now. Other players, pit bosses, dealers, have all remarked the same - that I am the only one they've seen win consistently. Which means that the chances that you'll end up with my track record are small."


Where I think that he may be off on some of this is on time of play. I think he protects winnings by playing less time and smaller wagers, "no greed". If he starts out well the dollar amounts that he is stating that he won could be done in a very short period of time. The hard part that I do have is why the hell is he bringing home all of those ketchup bottles?
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March 14th, 2021 at 5:06:20 PM permalink
MDawg's Line Of Credit is probably enough to get him free rooms at the casino for weeks at a time.

If you've got $5 million, you're just loitering at the baccarat tables to win $50K.
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March 14th, 2021 at 9:22:02 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

If your only reasoning is lots of people gamble so someone must be able to beat the game, that is ridiculous false logic



Logic has nothing to do with it.
I know somebody in my local
casino who wins consistently.
He's an inspiration to other
players to keep going. In
Macao it's no different. Lots
of consistent winners, enough
to keep thousands of others
coming back. Because you
can't win, so you illogically
think nobody can.
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March 14th, 2021 at 9:26:27 PM permalink
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1. he doesn't chase his losses



Anybody who chases losses is clueless.
It means you don't understand the game.

2. he bets streaks

And you don't? It's amazing the number
of people who bet against a streak. Bet
with them and you only lose once.
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March 15th, 2021 at 12:49:21 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob



2. he bets streaks

And you don't?
Bet
with them and you only lose once.




no, I don't bet streaks - unless I'm goofing off, making a bet just for fun - I only bet where I believe I have an edge -
foolish me

and your statement - "bet with streaks and you only lose once" is nonsense

after you've lost that once you're going to continue to bet - assuming you're not leaving the table

there's no reason at all after you've lost that once that you can't lose 10 more in a row - whether or not it's related to any streak

you didn't gain anything betting with or against a streak

every time anybody makes a bet with or against a streak they have an underlying assumption that they are more likely than not to win because of a past event

and that is 100% false - the wheel has no memory - the bacc cards don't remember if player or banker won 3 times in a row or not

in bacc that assumes that you don't have a legit advantage in betting player or bank because a skilled AP may sometimes actually know what the next card coming out is

but that is a whole different thing




all your big talk about the winners you've seen is anecdotal
you give words - no proof - because that's all you have - words - no substance - just typical gamblers babble
you'll never ever provide proof - not because you don't want to for some reason - because you can't -



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March 15th, 2021 at 2:30:20 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

no, I don't bet streaks - unless I'm goofing off, making a bet just for fun - I only bet where I believe I have an edge -
foolish me

and your statement - "bet with streaks and you only lose once" is nonsense

after you've lost that once you're going to continue to bet - assuming you're not leaving the table

there's no reason at all after you've lost that once that you can't lose 10 more in a row - whether or not it's related to any streak

you didn't gain anything betting with or against a streak

every time anybody makes a bet with or against a streak they have an underlying assumption that they are more likely than not to win because of a past event

and that is 100% false - the wheel has no memory - the bacc cards don't remember if player or banker won 3 times in a row or not

in bacc that assumes that you don't have a legit advantage in betting player or bank because a skilled AP may sometimes actually know what the next card coming out is

but that is a whole different thing



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And to think a part of me actually took you
seriously. Oh my dear God.......
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March 15th, 2021 at 3:12:59 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Oh my dear God. I repeat, oh my dear God.
And to think a part of me actually took you
seriously. Oh my dear God.......




anybody who takes you seriously is doomed...............................

a life of darkness fueled by anecdotal recollections leading to fallacious reasoning and ideas


when you quoted me you left this part out - hate to be redundant but it's worth repeating:



all your big talk about the winners you've seen is anecdotal
you give words - no proof - because that's all you have - words - no substance - just typical gamblers babble
you'll never ever provide proof - not because you don't want to for some reason - because you can't -




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March 15th, 2021 at 3:41:15 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Oh my dear God. I repeat, oh my dear God.
And to think a part of me actually took you
seriously. Oh my dear God.......



I know that I am the new guy here and that I would like to clarify my position on the issue itself of winning at baccarat.

What lilredrooster had to say I agree with all of it. This does not mean a person who can play the comp system perfectly can't gain the edge. No different than a video poker pro does with free play, cashback, and large comps using every trick in the book. In high-stakes baccarat, I believe an intelligent player can outwit a host where the game is actually played.
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March 15th, 2021 at 9:42:52 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

anybody who takes you seriously is doomed.............



I certainly hope so. That's rather the point.. lol
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March 15th, 2021 at 11:14:08 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

anybody who takes you seriously is doomed...............................
a life of darkness



Not so! The man has 8000 candles. Let there be light!


Quote: BoSox


What lilredrooster had to say I agree with all of it. This does not mean a person who can play the comp system perfectly can't gain the edge. No different than a video poker pro does with free play, cashback, and large comps using every trick in the book. In high-stakes baccarat, I believe an intelligent player can outwit a host where the game is actually played.



I too agree with everything lilredrooster said. And while it Is possible that exploiting the comp system could gain Mdawg the edge, I would think that is more difficult at the level of play he is claiming, where the player and action is more closely monitored. BUT, more importantly, THAT is not what MDawg is claiming. He is claiming to win ALL his sessions.

I like to say that Mdawg's claim "defies the math". Others aren't so definitive and say things like "highly unlikely". (T)eliot put it at 3 standard deviations unlikely, I believe 600-1 against. But that is just for the claim of all the winning at baccarat . But then you add in all his other claims, every stock trade a winner, etc, and what this guy claims is nothing short of impossible.

For me one of those other claims that really calls into question his credibility is the statement I asked for a clarification about concerning first being banned and then unbanned for blackjack at numerous properties. I believe MDawg has in the past mentioned this ban was for card counting. I wanted to see him say that again, because once banned for card counting, players do not get "unbanned". That just doesn't happen. Yes, Occasionally, especially years ago, at the time of a backoff or ban, a player might be able to talk his way out of it.... very temporarily. But all that ever did was buy the player and extra session or two.

Now in today's world bannings are not something done lightly (well maybe at a few rinky dink places like El Cortez or South Point), but most legitimate casinos banning a player involves a computerized evaluation of play before banning a player, and you can bet that Is the case at the high end locations Mdawg is speaking of and at the level of play he is talking about. Once that decision is made, there Is no talking one's way out of a ban or getting a ban reversed.

The only way a top high end casino would consider revering a ban on a card counter, is if the player in question has a long track record of losing play at other games (like baccarat) that far exceeds any advantage he may have at blackjack. In such a scenario, they may be willing to look the other way as per the blackjack "ban". But again, that considerable losing record at baccarat play is not what MDawg is claiming, although it is what some of us suspect.
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March 15th, 2021 at 11:30:56 AM permalink
Now I am sure MDawg will be PMing Wizard, saying that the above post, is attacking him and/or calling him a liar (as he frequently does).

I want to pre-emptively state that I am not attacking nor calling him a liar. I AM stating that in my 18th year as a professional blackjack player, based on my experiences and the experiences of many other professional and serious players that I speak to privately and publicly, bannings of card counters are almost never reversed like he is claiming.

I also want to take this opportunity to again state that I and other AP's must be allowed to express our "opinion" as to the credibility of these claims. And this guy and his PMing management begging for people voicing those opinions based on expertise to be suspended has got to stop. He is in basically bullying management to protect him and his claims.
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March 15th, 2021 at 11:37:35 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj



I also want to take this opportunity to again state that I and other AP's must be allowed to express our "opinion" as to the credibility of these claims..


All well and good, but do you have to bleat about this 100 times or more? Each of you?
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March 15th, 2021 at 11:57:11 AM permalink
Quote: DeMango

All well and good, but do you have to bleat about this 100 times or more? Each of you?



Yes. If a member is going to CONTINUE to make the claims, we have a right to voice our opinion.

I am not referring to anyone specific here, but one of the troll tactics is to repeat over and over and over. The theory is that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes truth (or accepted as truth). So what good does it do to say "no that is not the way it works" once or twice if the offender is going to repeat the claim 1000 times? If the person is going to repeatedly make these claims, we have a right to repeatedly say, no, that is not the way it works.
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March 15th, 2021 at 12:13:48 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Yes. If a member is going to CONTINUE to make the claims, we have a right to voice our opinion.

I am not referring to anyone specific here, but one of the troll tactics is to repeat over and over and over. The theory is that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes truth (or accepted as truth). So what good does it do to say "no that is not the way it works" once or twice if the offender is going to repeat the claim 1000? If the person is going to repeatedly make these claims, we have a right to repeatedly say, no, that is not the way it works.



KewlJ, I disagree with you here. Did you ever stop and think that some individuals enjoy getting you agitated? Knowing ahead of time that they can get you all worked up, sort of playing you like a fiddle. To top it all off you get yourself suspended. What the hell good does that do? By just making your points in a diplomatic way is all that one can do and stop at that. Otherwise, you are not only giving encouragement to the opposition but, adding fuel to an already flaming fire.
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March 15th, 2021 at 12:24:58 PM permalink
Quote: BoSox

KewlJ, I disagree with you here. Did you ever stop and think that some individuals enjoy getting you agitated? Knowing ahead of time that they can get you all worked up, sort of playing you like a fiddle. To top it all off you get yourself suspended. What the hell good does that do? By just making your points in a diplomatic way is all that one can do and stop at that. Otherwise, you are not only giving encouragement to the opposition but, adding fuel to an already flaming fire.



I understand your point, BoSox, as well as Demango's that people get tired of the repetition, but that repetition goes both ways. This is not mine or your first go round with this kind of thing. We were both on a blackjack forum, where a guy made blackjack claims that couldn't be (super duper count and all). And each time, one of the legitimate players would so, no that isn't right, he would just post his claims 100 more times. The guy had 14,000 posts when no one else had 3000 at the time. He was like the energizer bunny....just kept repeating even after being debunked. Like I said, the thought process is repeat it enough and it becomes accepted as truth.

So painful as it is, these repeated claims have to be challenged and debunked frequently.
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March 15th, 2021 at 12:36:11 PM permalink
And, to be honest, BoSox, I do take these claims personally.

As a professional player, who works hard to play with an advantage and make a living, someone who endures the variance involved, in my case of card counting, long losing periods, the war with casinos over getting in playing times and rounds, and backoffs and barings, I and I hope other legitimate players, take offense at some yahoo (and again I am not speaking of anyone specific) that comes along claiming to win every session, every trip, no variance....just steady, constant winning with the blessing of the casinos.

THAT is just NOT the way it works and it is offensive to those of us that work hard at playing with an advantage and actually play the game within the game vs the casinos and casino industry.
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March 15th, 2021 at 1:07:31 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

And, to be honest, BoSox, I do take these claims personally.

THAT is just NOT the way it works and it is offensive to those of us that work hard at playing with an advantage and actually play the game within the game vs the casinos and casino industry.



I know that you take it personally where you should roll with the punches just like the times we experience the negative side of variance. All of this is just a part of life and the internet world. Look at it this way many, many more new players /members are doomed to fail than succeed, and the ones that have any chance at all need to learn early on how to separate the wheat from the chaff quickly. Those that don't are going to be eaten alive and how unfortunate they are a very real commodity that is necessary in the casino world of advantage play. Sad as it is the opposition to many of your arguments is in fact putting food on your table.
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March 15th, 2021 at 3:58:43 PM permalink
I don't find Mdawg's Claims of constant winning 100 percent believable ,but I don't think that they are blatant Fiction either. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but taking his claims of constant big wins with a grain of salt.
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March 15th, 2021 at 9:13:11 PM permalink
Quote: Starburger

I don't find Mdawg's Claims of constant winning 100 percent believable ,but I don't think that they are blatant Fiction either. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt but taking his claims of constant big wins with a grain of salt.




Starburger, I think MDawg's sample sizes of the number of hands played is well over projected by his own estimates rendering all of the results meaningless. Strange as it sounds my first sentence was defending him as I was trying to put some legitimacy to his trip reports. This includes he may in fact be a great comp negotiator.

Off subject as in food for thought:

I am sure that the owner of this site likes plenty of traffic visiting the board in hopes that some members participate in the online gaming companies that advertise here. Strange though as this next thought sounds I wonder if some members are passing up on the online gaming and that the land casinos are noticing increases in Baccarat players? I think that MDawg could find a way to make this into a bet with someone, possibly for 25 small bottles of ketchup.
You know MDawg how you say that you are always welcome back to play again, you very well could be barred on internet gaming sites who sell advertising. Bad for business is well bad for business. Or are you bringing in online Baccarat business?
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March 15th, 2021 at 9:59:07 PM permalink
We're settled in now. Trip reports (table game results) will be posted time delayed, without pictures at first, on a regular basis at TruePassage. I'll come back as we move on to each new property and post the pictures that go along with the chronicle. When I do that, I may come back here to WOV and post the entire Trip Report for that property with the pictures all at once, or maybe just final results.

So, you could just wait it out and observe the entire Trip Report per property after we move on to the next resort, or follow along at TruePassage.

On the way in on the Strip we did notice some level of crowds, especially on corners, which leads us to think that at least in terms of numbers, Vegas is starting to make a bit of a comeback.

However, on closer inspection, doesn't seem to be much of a gaming crowd, and the stench of marijuana still permeates in front of most of the major casinos on the Strip - meaning that, people are here to party and unwind, which is fine, but not the typical Vegas masses of just a year or more ago, but more of a lower end group not so much here to spend. Not so well dressed, not so good looking, just here to have a good time and not to make any major statement. Is this the same downscale crowd we observed in Fall 2020? Couldn't say for sure - will advise. Perhaps that more ritzy crowd of yesteryear will appear as the weather warms and room rates go back up.

That's not to say that the upscale Vegas crowd is absent - just, you won't find it milling out on the Strip or inside most of the Strip casinos these days, not even inside some of the nicer properties that typically (but not lately) attract the higher end visitors.

When I tipped the bellman who loads our bags on a cart $10., he seemed genuinely grateful. When I gave the bellman who brought the bags up to the suite $25., he said "Thank YOU, " after I said "thank you," to him, which leads me to further believe that the high end crowd is absent. I always give the valet on Day One arrival $5., which isn't a lot, but this time I could tell that the guy really appreciated it. These poor guys seem hungry for tips. I mean they are always happy to get a gratuity, but right now they seem happier than usual.
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March 16th, 2021 at 4:06:52 PM permalink
ok MDawg im new to replying on here, i want to ask someone if they play the wizards craps game on this site, and is anyone else noticing that it always 7s out VERY FAST.Im an avid player in real life been playing for 30some years. Just wondering Is it just me experiencing this?
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March 16th, 2021 at 4:53:18 PM permalink
Hi! Welcome to the Adventures of MDawg.

I couldn't tell you anything about any online casino games but I assume the Wizard's games are random. As far as real world craps, I've over all won at the game, sometimes a ton, but with craps, short of telekinesis, which who is to say that such a gift is not beyond mere dreamt of philosophy, it just all depends on whether it's your night.

As far as BACCARAT, MDawg played quickly and won today. One guy saw the light, came over, copied me, and won too. Two others at my table (one of them kept arguing with his friend to follow me but they did not see the MDawg beacon), lost. That's it for today. Until tomorrow.
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March 16th, 2021 at 5:18:25 PM permalink
ok,,,,, thanks
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March 16th, 2021 at 5:41:17 PM permalink
Yeah, computer craps goes so much faster than a full table of shooters throwing point 7-outs. #Dont
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:28:11 PM permalink
thanks Ch Change I know it's faster playing computer craps BUT this game is hard to win on. It just seems tight. Have you played it lately??
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:37:52 PM permalink
I've been playing WinCraps. It likes to let me win so it can learn how I bet, then it goes on a never-ending cold streak designed to make me quit gambling permanently.
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:44:10 PM permalink
I get it this one does the same thing.. there probably programed that way. IT is what it is...
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:44:43 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I've been playing WinCraps. It likes to let me win so it can learn how I bet, then it goes on a never-ending cold streak designed to make me quit gambling permanently.



Then shouldn't they call it LOSECraps instead of WinCraps?
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:50:04 PM permalink
I make my wins with new betting strategies. I'm up $150K.
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:57:15 PM permalink
EvenBob, today I did all the things some of these guys say can't be done - I followed and pressed into streaks, I bet more on indicated outcome hands, and...I won! Just under 10K in one shoe not even betting much at all. And then, most importantly, I left! We'll be here a while and one session a day is the MDawg Way. Today that one session was just one shoe long.
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March 16th, 2021 at 6:57:53 PM permalink
After winning I took a victory stroll on the Strip and tipped Elvis a dollar for luck.
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March 16th, 2021 at 7:00:29 PM permalink
I always like to hear about betting strategies.. what is one of yours??I'm a basic PLACE BETTOR and just recently experienced a nice win on that NEW virtual craps computer game called SHOOT TO WIN [I think thats the name]...
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March 16th, 2021 at 7:01:41 PM permalink
Now ensconced in the suite with the wife eating sushi.
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March 16th, 2021 at 7:12:29 PM permalink
My theory is that the machines have algorithms which detect which bets are placed placed more heavily and based upon what numbers are needed for the house win, that is the skewed outcome. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/29882-shoot-to-win-vulnerability/2/#post617674
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March 16th, 2021 at 7:27:13 PM permalink
I keep making the mistake of helping other players with their strategies without getting a 5 figure coaching fee.
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March 16th, 2021 at 10:25:13 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

After winning I took a victory stroll on the Strip and tipped Elvis a dollar for luck.




MDawg doesn't know this, but I was tailing him all day and watching him play. He hasn't been completely honest. He won much more than he's reporting -- probably closer to 20K than 10K. He's just modest.

Thanks for the tip, by the way.

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March 16th, 2021 at 10:31:30 PM permalink
I dont play 0nline except wizards game... so any stratagies I would use would be used there or if i like it at a brick and morter casino..IF one of your strategies would work for me.. I would inform you with a post and tell people I learned it from ChumpChange YOUR WELCOME lol
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