WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2017 at 11:39:43 AM permalink
These bubble craps machine games are designed and programed to beat the player. They are not random rolls and therefore I stay way. I would only play the game if there is not a real craps table in the casino. Ives seen the dice spin out of its set position multiple times until it found its 7 out position. Hard to win when you have the machine predicting your outcome. And as far as electronic craps goes, one has to be absolutely crazy to play that and think you can beat it. Again, predetermined payouts and outcomes.
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AxelWolf
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:15:21 PM permalink
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These bubble craps machine games are designed and programed to beat the player. They are not random rolls and therefore I stay way. I would only play the game if there is not a real craps table in the casino. Ives seen the dice spin out of its set position multiple times until it found its 7 out position. Hard to win when you have the machine predicting your outcome. And as far as electronic craps goes, one has to be absolutely crazy to play that and think you can beat it. Again, predetermined payouts and outcomes.

Can you provide any proof of this?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Romes
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:17:41 PM permalink
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These bubble craps machine games are designed and programed to beat the player. They are not random rolls and therefore I stay way. I would only play the game if there is not a real craps table in the casino. Ives seen the dice spin out of its set position multiple times until it found its 7 out position. Hard to win when you have the machine predicting your outcome. And as far as electronic craps goes, one has to be absolutely crazy to play that and think you can beat it. Again, predetermined payouts and outcomes.

This, just like people claiming live crap table dice are loaded for 7-outs is just hogwash. If the machine was fixed to roll more 7's, then wouldn't playing the dark side be massively profitable? My end point is, if any dice or machine were ever biased towards something, then someone would figure that out and pound that thing for all that it's worth.
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WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:24:48 PM permalink
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Can you provide any proof of this?

No. Ive seen it with my own eyes. And I would expect the game makers to assure the casinos that their electronic games give the house a guaranteed house edge.... just like slot machines, etc.
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WatchMeWin
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:28:50 PM permalink
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This, just like people claiming live crap table dice are loaded for 7-outs is just hogwash. If the machine was fixed to roll more 7's, then wouldn't playing the dark side be massively profitable? My end point is, if any dice or machine were ever biased towards something, then someone would figure that out and pound that thing for all that it's worth.



To say that dice are loaded for 7 outs is absolutely ridiculous.. I agree. But the electronic games.... Ive seen it. Cant prove it... but I just stay away from it.
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:29:24 PM permalink
The gaming machine is a brilliant design. It leads players to believe that they have a real shot at winning money. This is something that's missing from other games.
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:33:18 PM permalink
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To say that dice are loaded for 7 outs is absolutely ridiculous.. I agree. But the electronic games.... Ive seen it. Cant prove it... but I just stay away from it.

But you're avoiding my point... if you've seen the electronic game biased to 7-out... why wouldn't you just play from the dark side and CLEAN HOUSE???
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:33:35 PM permalink
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And I would expect the game makers to assure the casinos that their electronic games give the house a guaranteed house edge.... just like slot machines, etc.


Exactly....craps bets have built in house edge with random rolls. There's no need for a non-random number generator.
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:43:03 PM permalink
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But you're avoiding my point... if you've seen the electronic game biased to 7-out... why wouldn't you just play from the dark side and CLEAN HOUSE???



My theory is that the machines have algorithms which detect which bets are placed placed more heavily and based upon what numbers are needed for the house win, that is the skewed outcome. Therefore, It is not just favored for a 7 out every time if there are more wagers on the dont... it could be opposite. Then the point is typically made depending on the players at the machine at any given time. Im not one to go around the table and see who is betting heavy on dont or come in order to determine where I want to place my bet.

If I were the game maker, this is absolutely how I would code. Its all legal and within their right to adjust however they like... just like slots payout percentage.

Again, Im not an insider. I dont know anyone who is part of the development team of the machines.... This is my opinion and based upon what I have seen , this is what I believe. Regardless, I stay away from the electronic games. Not a winning place for me.
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AxelWolf
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December 15th, 2017 at 12:43:47 PM permalink
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No. Ive seen it with my own eyes. And I would expect the game makers to assure the casinos that their electronic games give the house a guaranteed house edge.... just like slot machines, etc.

You should get it on Video.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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