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March 17th, 2021 at 5:26:52 AM permalink
Last time I played craps at a casino, some player mentioned Chump Change and I immediately got paranoid.
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:15:26 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

And, to be honest, BoSox, I do take these claims personally.

As a professional player, who works hard to play with an advantage and make a living, someone who endures the variance involved, in my case of card counting, long losing periods, the war with casinos over getting in playing times and rounds, and backoffs and barings, I and I hope other legitimate players, take offense at some yahoo (and again I am not speaking of anyone specific) that comes along claiming to win every session, every trip, no variance....just steady, constant winning with the blessing of the casinos.

THAT is just NOT the way it works and it is offensive to those of us that work hard at playing with an advantage and actually play the game within the game vs the casinos and casino industry.




kewlJ, I would like to offer an entirely different perspective on the above quote.
Calling yourself a professional is fine if you want to although, you realize that the term is subjective as if you asked 10 members to define it you would get 10 different answers.

In my mind, a professional AP in gaming realizes that silence is golden and the right path to take and there is never any glory involved period. Make a living as quietly as you can and let the masses fend for themselves. Seeking out or expecting any kind of recognition, notoriety, or publicity and you should question calling yourself professional. Yes, you work really hard at it playing the game within the game and do find it offensive with others who make claims of continued wins that defy any sense of logic. However, you should be grateful that those people exist as you do not need any extra competition by someone real knowledgeable spreading all the right things. You are able to play only because of the abundance of ploppies remember that.

Now both of us are guilty of giving plenty of advice to newer players but there are differences between us. My playing days are winding down as a part-time AP and I feel it is the appropriate time to give some back. You however may still be playing decades from now and living off of blackjack, so take the low road and keep your mouth shut Mr professional "very subjective indeed".
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:40:16 AM permalink
Quote: BoSox

kewlJ, I would like to offer an entirely different perspective on the above quote.
Calling yourself a professional is fine if you want to although, you realize that the term is subjective as if you asked 10 members to define it you would get 10 different answers.

In my mind, a professional AP in gaming realizes that silence is golden and the right path to take and there is never any glory involved period. Make a living as quietly as you can and let the masses fend for themselves. Seeking out or expecting any kind of recognition, notoriety, or publicity and you should question calling yourself professional. Yes, you work really hard at it playing the game within the game and do find it offensive with others who make claims of continued wins that defy any sense of logic. However, you should be grateful that those people exist as you do not need any extra competition by someone real knowledgeable spreading all the right things. You are able to play only because of the abundance of ploppies remember that.

Now both of us are guilty of giving plenty of advice to newer players but there are differences between us. My playing days are winding down as a part-time AP and I feel it is the appropriate time to give some back. You however may still be playing decades from now and living off of blackjack, so take the low road and keep your mouth shut Mr professional "very subjective indeed".



It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:54:27 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.





Show me just where I give a definition of a pro gambler? I gave one small aspect of saying a pro should be quiet big deal. In reality, I think the term is very subjective and I did not define it myself.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:01:16 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.

A pro gambler is someone who makes a living gambling using mathematically sound principles. Anyone else making money gambling is just experiencing luck.

And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....

Your professional opinion is silence is golden. But silence doesn't make you a professional.




And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.

For example, when USA Today first started publishing, they had multiple pages full of handicapper ads claiming 90% winners and 110-17 ATS records and such. Now I could have chosen to keep my mouth shut -- or I could have chosen to call them, write them, and tell them what they had gotten themselves into. There was no upside to doing the latter, and there was a downside. I did it anyway. I did it because people needed to have some idea where the reality guardrails were regarding sports handicapping.

I have made the same kind of decision dozens if not hundreds of times in my life. Telling the truth and educating people shouldn't be attached to some cost/benefit analysis.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:19:28 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It should come as no surprise I totally disagree with you.



And anyone who can predict in advance he is going to win using nothing but luck and intuition is, hmmm,....



I think you misinterpreted me. I am not complimenting the luck or intuition people by any means.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:32:33 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.




redietz, correct lack of silence does not make one unprofessional but depending on what is said could be frowned upon. Why go out of your way to get more competition? We already have enough boot camps doing that.
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March 17th, 2021 at 3:00:05 PM permalink
Quote: redietz

And a lack of silence doesn't make one unprofessional.

For example, when USA Today first started publishing, they had multiple pages full of handicapper ads claiming 90% winners and 110-17 ATS records and such. Now I could have chosen to keep my mouth shut -- or I could have chosen to call them, write them, and tell them what they had gotten themselves into. There was no upside to doing the latter, and there was a downside. I did it anyway. I did it because people needed to have some idea where the reality guardrails were regarding sports handicapping.

I have made the same kind of decision dozens if not hundreds of times in my life. Telling the truth and educating people shouldn't be attached to some cost/benefit analysis.


Did you notify them 10 times a week for a year????
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March 17th, 2021 at 3:36:43 PM permalink
Four shoes - more complete details posted at TruePassage but the summary being:
Ended 7700 ahead - but hold on! as I was sitting chatting with the dealer a suit came out of nowhere and declared that I had been "shortchanged" 500 at some point in the past, and had the dealer hand me another 500 chip. So I ended +8200 in my pocket, and had tipped out maybe five hunny or so (via side bets for the dealers, as I do always), along the way.

I had pulled an 8K marker only so that was a clean double - which I consider to be excellent.

The computer showed my average bet at 450, but I negotiated it up to 600 with the pit boss.

It is WORK though, make no mistake about it. Requires great concentration and discipline.

Heading to the spa suite she reserved for herself to have lunch with her. Another victorious day.
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March 17th, 2021 at 4:58:24 PM permalink
Love it!! (Grabbing my popcorn!)
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March 17th, 2021 at 8:58:15 PM permalink
Quote: BoSox


Now both of us are guilty of giving plenty of advice to newer players but there are differences between us. My playing days are winding down as a part-time AP and I feel it is the appropriate time to give some back. You however may still be playing decades from now and living off of blackjack, so take the low road and keep your mouth shut Mr professional "very subjective indeed".



I don't think it will come as any great surprise, that I too, disagree with the above, BoSox. I am where I am today, 18 years into advantage blackjack play because other professional and knowledgeable players didn't keep their mouth shut. They opened up and shared very valuable lessons along the way. Lessons that you don't learn in the many books.

I vowed to share my journey, as much as possible so that others might benefit. in that same way. To see just what a professional blackjack player really is, not what the movies show, just what kind of money is possible, WHILE STILL BEING WELCOME TO PLAY and the wild rollercoaster ride of variance to get there. I don't think any other player has shared that more than I, and I KNOW players have benefited from it, because I hear from them, both privately and publicly. I mean you show me one other player that has been more honest about some of the down years (like 2020), than I have been.

So just because I may rub you and others the wrong way and some don't like me and my posting (some for reasons having nothing to do with blackjack or gambling), I think I will continue to do it my way for as long as I think it is helpful.
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March 17th, 2021 at 9:48:35 PM permalink
The spa suite she rented for the day, that I spent a couple hours in myself, is the only way to get a private salon, private steam, private treatments, private hot tubs, private everything these days. Why wouldn’t a whale just put this highest end spa suite on perm standby for himself? People just aren’t into health. As it stands, whether this gets comp'ed off or not I wouldn't have a problem with her renting it every now and then.
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March 17th, 2021 at 11:13:28 PM permalink
You know Axel supposedly lives out there you guys should meet up and I'm sure he would buy you some drinks and snacks somewhere? No?
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March 18th, 2021 at 3:42:08 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Four shoes - more complete details posted at TruePassage but the summary being:
Ended 7700 ahead - but hold on! as I was sitting chatting with the dealer a suit came out of nowhere and declared that I had been "shortchanged" 500 at some point in the past, and had the dealer hand me another 500 chip. So I ended +8200 in my pocket, and had tipped out maybe five hunny or so (via side bets for the dealers, as I do always), along the way.

I had pulled an 8K marker only so that was a clean double - which I consider to be excellent.

The computer showed my average bet at 450, but I negotiated it up to 600 with the pit boss.

It is WORK though, make no mistake about it. Requires great concentration and discipline.

Heading to the spa suite she reserved for herself to have lunch with her. Another victorious day.



I'm curious as to what was your single biggest bet? And how do you in H E double hockey sticks not notice a short change of $500?
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:44:05 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

You know Axel supposedly lives out there you guys should meet up and I'm sure he would buy you some drinks and snacks somewhere? No?

This sounds like some classic pot-stirring to me(?)


There is really no debating that I live in LV, unless someone has a flat earther mindset. I think you are up to speed with The Wolf Eat MDawg drama to know he has been supposedly coming to Vegas for a long time on extended stays. Supposedly, is used properly here since he has yet to ever meet up with anyone legit who can verify. So yeah, that's probably never going to happen.
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:58:46 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

This sounds like some classic pot-stirring to me(?)


There is really no debating that I live in LV, unless someone has a flat earther mindset. I think you are up to speed with The Wolf Eat MDawg drama to know he has been supposedly coming to Vegas for a long time on extended stays. Supposedly, is used properly here since he has yet to ever meet up with anyone legit who can verify. So yeah, that's probably never going to happen.



Why not attempt to meet and be WoV friends??

Maybe go out towards the west side around Red Rock some good restaurants out there, imo.
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March 18th, 2021 at 6:11:35 AM permalink
Quote: Marcusclark66

Why not attempt to meet and be WoV friends??

Maybe go out towards the west side around Red Rock some good restaurants out there, imo.

I put that offer on the table long ago, he even said that he was receptive to the idea at one time. I think that ship has sailed for the most part. I doubt he'll admit this, but, I'm fairly certain he knows I'm not a safety concern to him. He may very well be concerned that I'm likely catch on to something that's amiss.
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March 18th, 2021 at 7:53:28 AM permalink
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I put that offer on the table long ago, he even said that he was receptive to the idea at one time. I think that ship has sailed for the most part. I doubt he'll admit this, but, I'm fairly certain he knows I'm not a safety concern to him. He may very well be concerned that I'm likely catch on to something that's amiss.




Axel, I'm sure it was nothing personal, it just at that particular time KewlJ had stature and standards to live by. He was using a chauffeur "family" that picked him up and dropped him off every thirty-five minutes at the front door of casinos.
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March 18th, 2021 at 8:23:02 AM permalink
I am not sure exactly when I was shortchanged the 500. It couldn't have been handing me a 100 chip when a 500 was due, because then they would have owed me 400 not a clean 500. I believe it happened at color up at the end. I wasn't really keeping track of my chips so closely as I was up almost all the time, and was just keeping an eye to make sure they kept moving higher. Towards the end of the fourth shoe there was some resistance up and down, and four shoes is what the casino loves to see (four shoes = four hours of rated play at most casinos), so that is when I stopped, when the winning started fading a bit, and I was feeling hungry.

When the dealer colored up I noted three stacks of 2500 plus 1 chip to pay off the 8K marker, and then my chips were colored up to 7700 which is what I assumed I had. However, turns out I had more than a double and this makes sense because I recall glancing at my stacks when they looked, to me, about +9000 and then when it started to go downhill, I won the last hand and the shoe ended anyway, I was ready to leave, with what I calculated visually as 8K plus.

They do watch closely from upstairs. A year or so ago I was paid full at a casino on a commissionless table where Bank won with 6 (should have been paid half), and some time later they appeared and requested the overpayment back from me. As I recall it was only a few hundred dollars. So maybe the Baccarat gods were now repaying me for that past "injustice."

My highest bet yesterday was only 2000. I had lost two bets prior and the next hand looked like a solid Player so I laid it out there. I drew three 7s which was NOT edifying, but dealer drew a third face card to remain at 0 and I won. The crowd roared! that was an exciting win.

At the end, I mentioned that 2000 bet to make my case for raising my average from the 450 the computer showed. I asked for 550, and the pit boss agreed, but when I sat down was told that was going to give me 600. To a great extent tipping the dealers and being a pleasant player who doesn't cause trouble goes a long way towards those types of negotiations. One of the dealers commented more than once about how "young people today are rude" and that's the type of player who is not going to get any leeway. That same dealer mentioned more than once "what a pleasure it was" to have the two of us, the guy who was copying my bets and myself, at the table. The dealers call me "young man" but I'm well mannered and I get loud only when I win, which they don't mind that. It's the players who get loud and obnoxious when they lose and give the dealers grief who are tolerated but never welcomed. I've seen players curse the dealers in other languages that if the pit boss could understand what they were saying would kick the players out, and even throw losing cards at the dealers. Those types of players are never cut any slack

unless they're mobbed up! 😁

Now Baccarat, in general, is a game where many players sit there in stony silence, win or lose, but I'm the type that gets very excited as I'm winning, which is most of the time. Negative attitude gets you nowhere and destroys concentration.
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March 18th, 2021 at 8:44:03 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I'm the type that gets very excited as I'm winning, which is most of the time.



You're losing me here. If you sit down expecting to win,
knowing you're going to win, why would you get excited?
You just lost half the credibility you had with me with one
statement. I never get excited, why would I. Why would you.
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March 18th, 2021 at 8:53:03 AM permalink
"Negative attitude gets you nowhere and destroys concentration."

Coincidentally, This has been what many psychics and those with paranormal abilities have argued over the years. It goes back all the way to seance times. The feeling is that having a stony, negative attitude not only allows others to disrupt your energy vibes (or "the spirits"), but without some positive display action-distraction, it's hard to pull off psychic displays.

In fact, many spiritualists have had non-positive observers banned from proceedings due to their negative energy disrupting the psychics' concentration.

So what MDawg is reporting certainly jibes with that.

Note to word enthusiasts: the word "jibe" has two very different meanings.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:08:04 AM permalink
Quote: redietz

"Negative attitude gets you nowhere and destroys concentration."

Coincidentally, This has been what many psychics and those with paranormal abilities have argued over the years. It goes back all the way to seance times. The feeling is that having a stony, negative attitude not only allows others to disrupt your energy vibes (or "the spirits"), but without some positive display action-distraction, it's hard to pull off psychic displays.

In fact, many spiritualists have had non-positive observers banned from proceedings due to their negative energy disrupting the psychics' concentration.

So what MDawg is reporting certainly jibes with that.

Note to word enthusiasts: the word "jibe" has two very different meanings.



The Abominable Dr. Jibes

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March 18th, 2021 at 9:19:25 AM permalink
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Axel, I'm sure it was nothing personal, it just at that particular time KewlJ had stature and standards to live by. He was using a chauffeur "family" that picked him up and dropped him off every thirty-five minutes at the front door of casinos.



Wat are you doing BoSox? You have now repeatedly interjected me into this thread, among discussion that has nothing to do with me. It is pretty clear you have some sort of issue wit me.

For the record, anyone familiar with me is probably aware that my late partner, played a unique role in assisting me with my AP play. He handled most of our machine play, managed my chip inventory, and served as my driver, which for a player playing my style of hit and run is a huge time saving advantage. He was a great benefit to me in this role and I miss him personally and professionally. If you feel the need to rehash and discuss these things which I have shared, please do so in the appropriate place and stop interjecting comments about me into discussions that are not about me.
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March 18th, 2021 at 9:32:00 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You're losing me here.

Some people are a little slower than other's regarding this type of stuff. Going back, if you remember your first instincts,.... perhap you should have listened to those in this case.
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March 18th, 2021 at 10:38:10 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Some people are a little slower than other's regarding this type of stuff.



Truth be told, I've never read any of his
posts until just recently. I'm now questioning
the veracity of his claims. If you know you're
going to win any game, from Monopoly
the Baccarat, what is there to get excited about.
You would only get excited if it was a
complete surprise. The local professional bac
player I've talked about that bets$1,000 a hand
never gets excited, never expresses any
emotion. Why would he. When I play, I'm half
asleep at times. Boring.
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March 18th, 2021 at 10:58:37 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Truth be told, I've never read any of his
posts until just recently. I'm now questioning
the veracity of his claims. If you know you're
going to win any game, from Monopoly
the Baccarat, what is there to get excited about.
You would only get excited if it was a
complete surprise. The local professional bac
player I've talked about that bets$1,000 a hand
never gets excited, never expresses any
emotion. Why would he. When I play, I'm half
asleep at times. Boring.

I Know what you are saying. I have hit Manny big jackpots even one for over 100k on a slot machine and I certainly wasn't excited. And that's probably not a good thing because it's a bit strange not to be jumping up and down all happy. It may tip them off that that I'm an advantage player so now I put on a little excitement act or I'll just saying something like I'm a bit nervous.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:08:17 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I Know what you are saying. I have hit Manny big jackpots even one for over 100k on a slot machine and I certainly wasn't excited. And that's probably not a good thing because it's a bit strange not to be jumping up and down all happy. It may tip them off that that I'm an advantage player so now I put on a little excitement act or I'll just saying something like I'm a bit nervous.



When I won a car at Sunset Station I also had to act excited. I sure as hell didn't need another car and the $15,000 cash payment was not enough to yell about but I also didn't want to look unappreciative and suspicious. I did deny having my picture taken and posted.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:13:32 AM permalink
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I don't think it will come as any great surprise, that I too, disagree with the above, BoSox.

I vowed to share my journey, as much as possible so that others might benefit. in that same way. To see just what a professional blackjack player really is, not what the movies show, just what kind of money is possible, WHILE STILL BEING WELCOME TO PLAY and the wild rollercoaster ride of variance to get there.





I am not disputing at all your claimed winnings over the years. However, your presentation of these claims is misleading. To quote:

" To see just what a professional blackjack player really is, not what the movies show, just what kind of money is possible,"

Even above you refer to informing another singular player just what money is possible. Really that sounds rather selfish on your part. First, id like to say that I am very sorry that you lost your partner in life.
Quoting some of your last response:

"For the record, anyone familiar with me is probably aware that my late partner, played a unique role in assisting me with my AP play. He handled most of our machine play, managed my chip inventory, and served as my driver, which for a player playing my style of hit and run is a huge time-saving advantage. He was a great benefit to me in this role and I miss him personally and professionally."

I believe all of that, although, it is very apparent that the business side of the operation was a full two-person team effort. WAS IT NOT? Why then tell other prospective players what a singular professional can make? Is that misleading? I think so.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:27:00 AM permalink
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I am not disputing at all your claimed winnings over the years. However, your presentation of these claims is misleading. To quote:

" To see just what a professional blackjack player really is, not what the movies show, just what kind of money is possible,"

Even above you refer to informing another singular player just what money is possible. Really that sounds rather selfish on your part. First, id like to say that I am very sorry that you lost your partner in life.
Quoting some of your last response:

"For the record, anyone familiar with me is probably aware that my late partner, played a unique role in assisting me with my AP play. He handled most of our machine play, managed my chip inventory, and served as my driver, which for a player playing my style of hit and run is a huge time-saving advantage. He was a great benefit to me in this role and I miss him personally and professionally."

I believe all of that, although, it is very apparent that the business side of the operation was a full two-person team effort. WAS IT NOT? Why then tell other prospective players what a singular professional can make? Is that misleading? I think so.



While I am happy to discuss these things with you, I am NOT going to further discuss these topics in this thread. It is not fair to Mdawg or the people interested in reading about and discussing his "stories". :/

If you wish to discuss these things either start a new thread or go back and bump one of the many thread where my blackjack play and career are being discussed.
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March 18th, 2021 at 12:55:20 PM permalink
I thought this thread was about The ADVENTURES of MDawg?

But obviously hijacked by several and it is The Adventures of Disbelievers.
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March 18th, 2021 at 2:38:59 PM permalink
She mentioned that the water in Vegas seems to be more chlorinated than we remembered. I just said that this must be due to the municipality not the hotel. Would a hotel add more chlorine at the source? Doubtful.

Anyway, I left the shower running max hot for five minutes or so to build up a steam effect and when I stepped in, I did agree with her that I could positively smell the chlorine fumes.
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March 18th, 2021 at 3:26:09 PM permalink
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I personally didn't notice one for dealing with jerk offs and people that solely sign on to belittle and attempt to derail someone when they post?



I'm just following along this guy could be one of the greatest creative writers of our time
he's got me captivated.

What I want to know is how many Sox a man of his wealth owns? I don't have his wealth but I get mine in
bulk at Costco, Do you think Coachbelly will return... ahh nevermind
you and BoSox are doing a great job.
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March 18th, 2021 at 3:53:47 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

I'm just following along this guy could be one of the greatest creative writers of our time
he's got me captivated.

What I want to know is how many Sox a man of his wealth owns? I don't have his wealth but I get mine in
bulk at Costco, Do you think Coachbelly will return... ahh nevermind
you and BoSox are doing a great job.





Hello Rainman it has been a long time since we were on that east coast private board run by one more shoe. At the time most members got barred at the local casinos and the group dissolved and then taken over by I machine from the jersey area that's when I quit for lack of time. I think that you went into poker and were involved in a lawsuit for like 50 K involving a large bad beat jackpot. Anyway, I hope life is treating you well.
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March 18th, 2021 at 3:58:02 PM permalink
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Hello Rainman it has been a long time since we were on that east coast private board run by one more shoe. At the time most members got barred at the local casinos and the group dissolved and then taken over by I machine from the jersey area that's when I quit for lack of time. I think that you went into poker and were involved in a lawsuit for like 50 K involving a large bad beat jackpot. Anyway, I hope life is treating you well.



Lol I think you got the wrong Rainman Dawg!
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March 18th, 2021 at 4:06:35 PM permalink
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Lol I think you got the wrong Rainman Dawg!



Sorry, but not surprised that there are or was a different rainman.
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March 18th, 2021 at 4:21:13 PM permalink
Any doubts about Mdawg's play and claims can be quelled if he just agrees to let someone from this Website watch him play live and validate his claims. What has he got to lose? Answer. He has nothing to lose since he frequently plays anyways.
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March 18th, 2021 at 4:38:47 PM permalink
Only two kinds of players get excited when they're
winning and act out the excitement. Newbies and
Ploppies. And of course, craps players. Mdawg
overtold his story, which I'm sure is not the first time.
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:24:46 PM permalink
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Sorry, but not surprised that there are or was a different rainman.



MMM.....Dawg don't sweat it simple mistake.
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:37:01 PM permalink
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I thought this thread was about The ADVENTURES of MDawg?

But obviously hijacked by several and it is The Adventures of Disbelievers.

You know what they say about people who live in glass houses? You might want to look back at your first 4 or 5 posts on WOV. Let me help you with that... https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/134/#post762198 and read MD's follow up then continue on reading your very own comments. Nonetheless, if one wants their own adventure thread and we are talking about the person claiming certain adventures, I don't see how that is hijacking. I guess you would have a situation where he talks, we just believe some eyebrow-raising statements, and then we all praise and bow to him? He is lucky to have the skeptics because without them no one would be reading all the nonsense written here.

I would agree, if someone came on the thread talking about how cute their cat is, that would be hijacking, obviously more interesting, but hijacking nonetheless.
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:47:51 PM permalink
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Any doubts about Mdawg's play and claims can be quelled if he just agrees to let someone from this Website watch him play live and validate his claims. What has he got to lose? Answer. He has nothing to lose since he frequently plays anyways.

You must put up 50k in credit at the casino of his choice to watch him play. If that's not an indication of a big bluff or some other big red flags are not going off in your head, then you might want to practice honing in your red flag sensors. I made a post on this forum explaining how one could be getting kickbacks for referring large depositors and or get that person's personal information. IIRC MD even said something about knowing a previous host at the wynn who he had dinner with or talked to recently or something like that?
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March 18th, 2021 at 5:54:35 PM permalink
Quote: rainman

I'm just following along this guy could be one of the greatest creative writers of our time
he's got me captivated.

What I want to know is how many Sox a man of his wealth owns? I don't have his wealth but I get mine in
bulk at Costco, Do you think Coachbelly will return... ahh nevermind
you and BoSox are doing a great job.

And by sox, you meant socks, as in sock puppets?
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March 18th, 2021 at 6:04:57 PM permalink
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And by sox, you meant socks, as in sock puppets?



The last sentence of the post contains a clue.
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March 18th, 2021 at 10:11:55 PM permalink
Day Three play

I started at a regular midi 100 min table, where pretty much every seat was already filled. The weekend crowd is here a bit early. At the center of the table a few loud drunken kids who kept losing until they placed case bets and then managed to recover most of their bankrolls until they lost it again. An Asian guy showed at the end with a substantial bankroll and was really doing well, but kept pushing his luck until he, too, lost it all and scurried off.

The center seat kid was so drunk he couldn't remember what the sides of the cards meant - his less drunken friend had to keep reminding him things like - two sided card and a four sided - Dude! you're done just toss it in. The drunken center kept boasting about how much money he had to play with, but when his friend lost it all and asked him to lend him a couple K, the kid starting singing a different tune of, "Dude, I'm so broke! you don't even know how broke I am."

Finally the guys asked for their last two grand from the pit boss, and given the dichotomy at the table - people betting against each other and the drunken noisiness of losers (drunken noisiness of winners is one thing, of losers, quite another), as soon as they opened a higher limit table - I left, ahead 500 which I had managed to hold on to with difficulty. I had pulled an eight grand marker so I had 8500.

At the new table, new shoe, I played for a while, got up some, then was down as much as about -6K, put down 2500 (case bet), won, and along the way had another occasion for a second close to case bet too. Case bet to the extent of - I would have had to pull another marker if I had lost. However, I also had a great chop where I played 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 (then got a tie and chickened out on the 3000 bet, which at that moment I even had 300 on the side for the dealer), eased back to 1000 (with 100 on the side for the dealer), won, then lost the next hand, regrouped - eventually got down to that second case bet, but after an 11 player run in one shoe, and 11 bank run in another shoe later, I was over ten grand ahead. At this point the dealer, who had easily dropped a grand maybe more into the toke box by way of my side bets, started hinting at that maybe I should quit. Not by way of any Papal Bull

but definitely more than just a mild suggestion. I took the hint, although I had just ordered another non-alcoholic beverage, and wanted to tip the server a twenty versus my usual fiver. As I pulled it out it tore in half, caught on my 18K gold money clip,

and the dealer joked about how was sure that they would prefer a ripped twenty to an intact five, and to leave it up to them which one they wanted. The server, whom I'd seen walking around but hadn't been the one who had been taking care of me previously, was form fitted into her cocktail dress to the point where it was distracting, and smiled as she assured me that the torn bill would be no problem.

So I walked - 10,400 ahead for the day, making the three day tally about +30K now! It's ALLL good.
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You know a lot of the disbelievers are going to be really stressed over this last post you just made. I kind of feel sorry for them but it is what it is.
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March 18th, 2021 at 10:52:12 PM permalink
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You know a lot of the disbelievers are going to be really stressed over this last post you just made. I kind of feel sorry for them but it is what it is.


Probably foaming at the mouth as we type!
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:16:07 PM permalink
I concede he's legit I just tried to recreate his photo and all
I could muster was 3 singles in a plastic paper clip my Pholex
and a non lighted keyboard missing the M&D keys.
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March 18th, 2021 at 11:40:53 PM permalink
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Day Three play

I started at a regular midi 100 min table, where pretty much every seat was already filled. The weekend crowd is here a bit early. At the center of the table a few loud drunken kids who kept losing until they placed case bets and then managed to recover most of their bankrolls until they lost it again. An Asian guy showed at the end with a substantial bankroll and was really doing well, but kept pushing his luck until he, too, lost it all and scurried off.

The center seat kid was so drunk he couldn't remember what the sides of the cards meant - his less drunken friend had to keep reminding him things like - two sided card and a four sided - Dude! you're done just toss it in. The drunken center kept boasting about how much money he had to play with, but when his friend lost it all and asked him to lend him a couple K, the kid starting singing a different tune of, "Dude, I'm so broke! you don't even know how broke I am."

Finally the guys asked for their last two grand from the pit boss, and given the dichotomy at the table - people betting against each other and the drunken noisiness of losers (drunken noisiness of winners is one thing, of losers, quite another), as soon as they opened a higher limit table - I left, ahead 500 which I had managed to hold on to with difficulty. I had pulled an eight grand marker so I had 8500.

At the new table, new shoe, I played for a while, got up some, then was down as much as about -6K, put down 2500 (case bet), won, and along the way had another occasion for a second close to case bet too. Case bet to the extent of - I would have had to pull another marker if I had lost. However, I also had a great chop where I played 500, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 (then got a tie and chickened out on the 3000 bet, which at that moment I even had 300 on the side for the dealer), eased back to 1000 (with 100 on the side for the dealer), won, then lost the next hand, regrouped - eventually got down to that second case bet, but after an 11 player run in one shoe, and 11 bank run in another shoe later, I was over ten grand ahead. At this point the dealer, who had easily dropped a grand maybe more into the toke box by way of my side bets, started hinting at that maybe I should quit. Not by way of any Papal Bull

but definitely more than just a mild suggestion. I took the hint, although I had just ordered another non-alcoholic beverage, and wanted to tip the server a twenty versus my usual fiver. As I pulled it out it tore in half, caught on my 18K gold money clip,

and the dealer joked about how was sure that they would prefer a ripped twenty to an intact five, and to leave it up to them which one they wanted. The server, whom I'd seen walking around but hadn't been the one who had been taking care of me previously, was form fitted into her cocktail dress to the point where it was distracting, and smiled as she assured me that the torn bill would be no problem.

So I walked - 10,400 ahead for the day, making the three day tally about +30K now! It's ALLL good.

Where does one obtain an 18k gold paper clip?
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March 19th, 2021 at 2:50:25 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

Day Three play
...I had just ordered another non-alcoholic beverage, and wanted to tip the server a twenty versus my usual fiver. As I pulled it out it tore in half, caught on my 18K gold money clip, and the dealer joked about how was sure that they would prefer a ripped twenty to an intact five, and to leave it up to them which one they wanted. The server, whom I'd seen walking around but hadn't been the one who had been taking care of me previously, was form fitted into her cocktail dress to the point where it was distracting, and smiled as she assured me that the torn bill would be no problem.

So I walked - 10,400 ahead for the day, making the three day tally about +30K now! It's ALLL good.

Where does one obtain an 18k gold paper clip?

I think that clip looks a bit shabby ruins the very fine photo
Maybe This, or one of these would have looked a bit better.

No, but seriously: Showing a slightly worn, possibly genuine clip was more classy than some gift-shop tat. Kudos to Mdawg.

I'd really have expected MDawg to go in a different direction, with maybe a more expensive and brash platinum money clip. You missed an opportunity there, Matey.

MDawg, How's your somewhat worn 'lucky' envelope doing? Have you needed to replace it, yet.
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March 19th, 2021 at 3:56:19 AM permalink
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I would agree, if someone came on the thread talking about how cute their cat is, that would be hijacking, obviously more interesting, but hijacking nonetheless.



The thread is about Mdawg, it's not about each person's quest or their experiences

As well, why do you care about what I do or others so much? At least a heck of a lot more than the average member that is!
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March 19th, 2021 at 4:33:04 AM permalink
An $18,000 paper clip?
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