The Adventures of MDawg

Quote: rainman

It's like watching NASCAR we're all just waiting for the crash.

I had a dream this AM that I won a go-cart race. I'm not sure if it was like being in the winning chair in a Scrambler ride at the amusement park, but that's what it felt like. So I went to the cashier to find out what I'd won. Two different cashiers would barely give me the time of day much less tell me what I won. Finally Kevin Nealon from SNL snuck up behind the cashiers counter and printed up a receipt. He said I won $360,000!

Quote: darkoz

Past posting?

If this was the 1990s. Cameras got rid
of most past posting in roulette.

Quote: OnceDear

Perfect framing. Well done MDawg, you have a bite.
If MDawg's point was anything to do with his supplements, don't you think he would have stepped right a little and zoomed in more?

You sound like the biggest hater rn 😜

Quote: rainman

MDawg I zoomed in on your pill bottles still I can't quite tell
is one of those for erectile disfunction?

I personally didn't notice one for dealing with jerk offs and people that solely sign on to belittle and attempt to derail someone when they post?

Quote: MDawg

Have vitamins, will travel.

Let’s try something...

That first picture (TV on left, window on the right showing Vegas in the background)...

This won’t prove much but for the hell of it: post a picture of this same shot but instead of no one being in it, have “someone” hold up a sign with your WoV user name and today’s date.

The background must be the same as the picture of the TV and window (same angle and everything). It can even be you with your face not in the frame of the photo, taken from the neck down holding the sign, etc. Surely this would be very simple to pull off if you are indeed in that room and it is under your name, etc.

I think some here will be interested in knowing if this simple of authentication methods will be attempted by you and if not, the reasons for not doing so...

Quote: FTB

Let’s try something...

That first picture (TV on left, window on the right showing Vegas in the background)...

This won’t prove much but for the hell of it: post a picture of this same shot but instead of no one being in it, have “someone” hold up a sign with your WoV user name and today’s date.
...[Trimmed for brevity]...
I think some here will be interested in knowing if this simple of authentication methods will be attempted by you and if not, the reasons for not doing so...

Such proof of veracity or identity is not a requirement for posting on this forum, nor is explanation of not choosing to provide it!

Interesting: Maybe.
Likely: Not a cat in hell's chance, IMHO.

FTB (D---! your name is a bit ominous...you sure you don't work collections for the state), you do realize that those are images I posted previously from past Trip Reports covering five different casinos? Absent a time machine it would be difficult to oblige. We'll be back in some of those suites again soon enough though, vitamins and supplements in tow. Perhaps could come up with something to make you happy, but keep in mind that the one who is Dead to me's latest theory is that all of these are genuine but that some other MDawg is posting them all. I would like to meet that MDawg he sounds like a winner.

Quote: rainman

MDawg I zoomed in on your pill bottles still I can't quite tell
is one of those for erectile disfunction?

Personal insult -- three days.

Quote: Wizard

Personal insult -- three days.

REALLY!!!???

He asked a question, and it was an obvious a joke(funny one at that). Wouldn't one have to make a complaint in this situation?

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I didn't witness this personally - but it came from a trusted friend and I believe it to be true - at a bacc table

my friend wasn't a high roller - he was more of a high roller wannabee

anyway, he got to know a lot of the A.C. personnel at Taj Mahal and they let him hang around the high roller pit

he saw an Asian whale get a marker for $1 million

the guy started winning and he had about $5 million on the table

my buddy laughingly asked him if he could lend him $1 million

then the guy started losing - he got a few more markers and he lost about $8 million from the time he had $5 million on the table

so his net was about negative $4 million




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Quote: EvenBob

Gambling is for suckers. Only
make bets when you know you
can't lose.

EB - I just want to get something clear -

back to your winning roulette methods

I believe you have stated in the past that you don't go to the casinos and clean up for big bucks because you don't care about making big bucks

but - correct me if I'm wrong - if you wanted to:

you could easily clean out casinos for hundreds of thousands or even millions

as long as they didn't stop you from playing - after realizing your amazing talents

is that about right?




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Quote: lilredrooster

EB - I just want to get something clear -

back to your winning roulette methods
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LilRed, Evenbob,,,, Pleas don't hijack this thread.
Take it here instead,,,
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/35611-can-baccarat-be-beaten/

Quote: lilredrooster

the guy started winning and he had about $5 million on the table

my buddy laughingly asked him if he could lend him $1 million

then the guy started losing - he got a few more markers and he lost about $8 million from the time he had $5 million on the table

so his net was about negative $4 million

Yes that sort of thing happens all the time. As far as the VERY heavy action, I've witnessed a guy lose 160K a hand betting against some guy he didn't know who was betting only 100 a hand on a run, and it was a battle of egos where the other side kept running and the highest roller didn't want to relent and dumped well over a million in minutes going against the run. That sort of dichotomy is bad for the entire table, because I wanted to bet big on the run too, and ended up betting only 500 or so per hand, winning, but not much. When you see someone betting huge the natural impulse is to figure that he knows what he is doing, or at a minimum, it is considered poor Bacccarat etiquette to bet against the huge hands, but, in reality, you just have to do your own thing and ignore the other players. Once they see you winning they will start following anyway.

Last trip one hand I tossed a grand or so on Bank, and this other player, a very young Asian kid, tossed twenty grand on Player, and when I saw that I wiped my bet right off the table. I was a little iffy on the bet to begin with, not so much intrinsically, but because the shoe hadn't been the greatest, and I didn't mind deferring to his judgment. So I bet nothing. As soon as he saw that, he was genuinely relieved, and cried out "Thank you, Sir!" Asians especially are very superstitious about that sort of thing and believe that by betting against them you are "jinxing" them. He won. I would have lost.

In general though, I prefer to play alone. I'm about the only one I ever see winning consistently, so why would I want to be influenced by anyone.

As far as people rapid firing winning and then giving it all back, I've seen that ALL the time. I recall this one Asian girl who had been sitting at the same spot for three days in the same clothes desperately betting off a million bankroll, who would occasionally get really hot and win ten or eleven hands in a row at thirty or so grand a pop, and then almost as quickly, give it all back. She ended up losing it all.

The MENTALITY isn't so very different from how SooPoo keeps mentioning how he is ___% off his ATH (all time high) in his stock account. Well, I'm actually more % off my ATH in my stock accounts than he is (mostly because AMZN and TSLA are well off their ATHs), but the better way to look at it, is how UP we are compared to a few months ago. And that's what gets many people at the tables, no matter what the game. They don't look at that they are up, but what they are DOWN from the most chips they had in front of them. A good rule of thumb I like to follow is to stop, if I get on a bad run, once I've given back half my winnings. If that Asian high roller you describe had done that, he would have walked ahead about 2M.

Of course, at first when I read the story I assumed the point was that the high roller cursed himself when he failed to "benefact" your friend with a million. That it was unlucky for him to not donate. 🙂

In the past friends of mine who accompanied me on my high roller trips used to want to meet all the high rollers at the tables to try to sell them some business scheme or other, but I would never allow it. First of all, bad manners, secondly, and this would never make sense to them, just because a guy dumps millions at the tables doesn't mean he's a pushover in business.

Quote: OnceDear

LilRed, Evenbob,,,, Pleas don't hijack this thread.
Take it here instead,,,
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/35611-can-baccarat-be-beaten/

okay, I took your advice and re-posted it there
hopefully EB will respond

Hey MDawg,

Can you explain the allure of baccarat? I’ve tried to play a few times but I find it difficult to stay awake for more than fifteen minutes (sort of like watching a soccer game). Do you have to understand Chinese/Asian culture to appreciate this game ?

Hi Ace.

As SooPoo might say, "Where to start?"

Let's set aside the winning or losing aspect of the game for now.

First off, were you playing mini- or midi/grand Baccarat? I find mini Baccarat boring because the dealer simply opens the cards and players aren't allowed to touch. I won't play mini - I will play only where I am allowed to handle the cards.

I've heard Baccarat described as "oddly addictive" and that is probably exactly what it is - addictive, but in a somewhat unusual, hard to describe fashion. There is just something satisfying and enjoyable about being able to handle, poke, puncture, bend, crease, even tear the cards, as well as slowly "opening" the cards to reveal their relative value without looking at the numbers. I also like the finality of the game, that you either win by the points, or lose by the points - there is no "bust" as in blackjack.

A true Baccarat "aficionado" in the U.S. will hold his thumbs over the numbers and open the cards sideways, "rolling" them up to reveal their value by the dots. In Europe, and I've played there many years ago, the cards generally don't even have numbers on them - dots only.

As you roll the cards up, and examine the dots, you may figure out what sort of hand you have been dealt without seeing the actual numbers.

(As well in Europe, they play a more true version of Baccarat where there is some discretion as to drawing cards – the rules allow a player to stand or draw on certain hands. If you have seen On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, you will recall that “Tracy” (Diana Rigg) chooses to draw on five, and draws another five, bringing her to zero, which brings James Bond to advise her to “next time play it safe and stand on five.” (which leads Tracy to comment that, “People who want to stay alive play it safe.”))

Now, in the U.S. and in Macau, this “rolling of the cards” is where the slowness of the game may come in, if you are alluding to midi- or grand-Baccarat – some of the Asian players take forever to examine their cards. When I play, I look closer and take time only if my initial examination reveals that the two cards are able to add up to something worthwhile – a 6 or higher, for example. If I draw, say, a three sided card (meaning, three dots along the edge, translating to a 6, 7 or 8) and a two sided card (two dots, equaling a 4 or 5), I don’t bother to spend any more time looking, because my highest total would be a 3, with my lowest a 0, at that point I just ask the dealer to “Open” the other side and then throw my cards in for, ideally, another draw (unless the opposing side already has a natural 8 or 9, in which case I am already sunk, for that hand).

There are, however, some Asian players that spend ten minutes looking at their two cards no matter what they might be – spending forever looking at two face cards, for example – where an almost instantaneous glance would reveal that the hand is going to add up to 0. Maybe it was with such players, assuming you played midi- or grand-Baccarat, that you felt like it was watching paint dry. As well, only the largest bet on each side gets to open the cards, so if that wasn’t you, you would have been more a spectator than participant, which might also have contributed to your ennui.

The way I play, when alone, is very quickly. I will burn through a shoe in about twenty minutes. (Many casinos just give Baccarat players a flat hour of play time credit, no matter how slowly or quickly they move along.) When I play, I just follow the streaks and have my own system for calculating when to bet ties, and don’t dwell on each hand too very long. But I do roll the cards, and do take a bit more time if it seems like my hand is going to add up to something good, or if what I am holding has some crucial dot or set of dots that is going to make or break me based on what the dealer opened on the other side against me. When I am playing alone, I instruct the dealer to keep the others side face down until I have made at least my initial examination of my cards, and then ask the dealer to "Open." I play ceremoniously, but quickly.

I can assure you, if you ever watched me play Baccarat, you would not be bored. I get into it, I get loud, I slam the table, I have fun. Many pit bosses have commented on how much they like having me at the tables, because I get so into it, and also because I don’t get sour or hostile when the shoes turn against me – I just ease back on my bet and wait for the right opportunities. In other words, I always have a good time.

Thanks for the reply. I was not able to touch the cards so I guess that was the mini version

If I was a much higher stakes player (like so many baccarat players are) then of course it would be more exciting. Betting on a coin flip would be a rush at a thousand bucks per flip

You mean if there's 6 players at the table, they each get dealt 2 cards if the game isn't mini-baccarat? The highest bettor gets to draw cards first?
I guess I've never seen anything but mini-baccarat.

In the U.S. and Macau, there is just one Banker's hand, and just one Player's hand. If there is more than one person at the table more than one may bet on the same side, is all.


But where this gets a LITTLE complicated is in Europe - in "true" Baccarat there are two hands that play against the Banker, one on the left, and one on the right, and the Banker may decide to stand or draw based on whether he is already beating the larger of the two bets. And again, that's in Europe where there is some DISCRETION as to whether the participant may draw or stand, which is why the fact that there are two opposing (Player's) hands, with DIFFERENT amounts wagered, matters.

As an example say the Bank draws a 5 and there is 500 wagered against him on the left, and 10000 against him on the right. The 500 hand draws a 7 and stands pat, and the 10000 hand draws a 4. Now the 10000 player hand draws a 10 as its third card and has already lost to the Bank. So the bank has no incentive to draw and stands with a five, beating the big hand and paying out the 500 as a sort of loss leader.

But if the bets were reversed and the 10000 were on the 7, the banker would no doubt draw and not care about possibly ruining his chances against the already won player 4 hand because only 500 is wagered against him on the sure winner. The drawing rules in this Euro style version of Baccarat get complicated and may adopt some or all of the American baccarat rules, with amendments.

With COVID around, nobody but the dealer should be touching the cards, unless some variant of play allows a player to be a Banker and deal the cards.

In the U.S. and Macau Baccarat where we are allowed to touch the cards they go through once and then are thrown away. Fresh cards for each shoe.


At one of the casinos I played at last trip they didn't allow us to touch the cut card. The dealer would run the card up and down the shoe until the designated card cutter, which was almost always I, would say STOP, and then the dealer would insert the plastic cut card into the deck. That's a Covid era new rule, and it was at only one casino.

At that same casino one day there was a girl with long fingernails whom I allowed to cut the cards once, and she stuck her fingernail into the deck to indicate where to cut. After she left I was laughing with the dealer about that one, mentioning that as far as coronavirus was concerned, that was worse than touching the cut card.

I have been in our high limit bac rooms many times and I have seen numerous Rants and Raves as well as things totally off-the-wall that most have never seen happen in a casino. Including those that jump up on top of the table, those that'll actually lower their pants and take a pee to relieve them self in the corner of the room especially when they're drunk and losing and everything else in between one can only imagine.

I probably should start at thread and write about it.

Quote: MDawg

You're talking about you. This thread is about me, what I do, and the way I do things. I don't see the relevance in fantasizing about your "What ifs," or any what ifs for that matter.

You do bring up one interesting "concern" that proves my point of that no one here really gets it that the house edge matters not in these situations. You've got a 50-50 or a 51-49 (and you're on the 49 end of things), does it really make any difference on whether you're going to risk that $16K? Does that 1% one way or another make the proposition any less risky, after all, it's just one hand. A very big hand. I don't flat bet. I've never met a high roller (or successful gambler, for that matter) who does.

So what if you were on the 51 end of things, but you couldn't flat bet...which I think even if there were a positive EV form of Baccarat true high rollers STILL wouldn't flat bet, they would jump their bets around the way they always do. Would you feel better about risking that $16K now?

MDawg, on another site you also have a long thread that you also started about your Baccarat trips. Recently I expressed concern to you that you could in fact inadvertently influence newer members to attempt to follow in your footprints to which you responded that was not what you were trying to do. And proceeded to say that you were not in fact trying to encourage members to attempt what they were reading. Could you do the same thing here as there is a much larger membership than the other board? Thank you it would be appreciated.

People gambling real money in a casino reading on a gambling forum prior to going would need disclosures such as you're mentioning? I am at a total loss why that would even be necessary.

#1) Should we mention the advantages to using birth control? #2) Should we mention thd downsides for driving above the posted speed limits? #3) Should we mention health hazards for over eating of junk food? #4) Should we mention possible bad situations for hanging out in the bad part of any major metropolitan city in say an expensive car with your windows down parked on the side of the road watching drug deals or other illegal activity in the making? #5) Oh yeah what about mentioning do not try to replicate what they did in The Hangover movie in Las Vegas and believe you would have the same outcome as what appeared in the movie!

Quote: Marcusclark66

People gambling real money in a casino reading on a gambling forum prior to going would need disclosures such as you're mentioning? I am at a total loss why that would even be necessary.

Anything that goes against conventional wisdom, and easily is construed as unorthodox should be addressed by the person providing the information.

Against conventional wisdom hell no.

#1) Just pull out prior to that final Point.

#2) Don't worry the cops will never see me.

#3) I will just exercise more tomorrow.

#4) People will never notice a brand new Mercedes Benz with inquisitive clean-cut mature occupants nervously sitting there observing.

#5) Steal a police car and get away with it. Doubling the buy in while playing drunk. Stealing Mike Tyson's tiger and bringing him into Caesars Palace with no one noticing.

Quote: Marcusclark66

Against conventional wisdom hell no.

#1) Just pull out prior to that final Point.

#2) Don't worry the cops will never see me.

#3) I will just exercise more tomorrow.

#4) People will never notice a brand new Mercedes Benz with inquisitive clean-cut mature occupants nervously sitting there observing.

#5) Steal a police car and get away with it. Doubling the buy in while playing drunk. Stealing Mike Tyson's tiger and bringing him into Caesars Palace with no one noticing.

Marcusclark66, suffice it to say that you and I have zero say in the matter as we are only visitors to the site. And correct me if I am wrong but this site is run as a business with business concerns. Saying otherwise would be missing what is taking place.

Quote: Marcusclark66

Against conventional wisdom hell no.

#1) Just pull out prior to that final Point.

#2) Don't worry the cops will never see me.

#3) I will just exercise more tomorrow.

#4) People will never notice a brand new Mercedes Benz with inquisitive clean-cut mature occupants nervously sitting there observing.

#5) Steal a police car and get away with it. Doubling the buy in while playing drunk. Stealing Mike Tyson's tiger and bringing him into Caesars Palace with no one noticing.

Why not just err on the side of a public service announcement rather than assume everybody's hip and experienced? It costs nothing.

I say this because this forum is international, and not everyone is hip to American cultural nuances and alleged obvious-ities. I love Seinfeld, but the humor in Seinfeld is more easily appreciated by an urban American perspective. On many others, it's lost.

And even with Americans who should know better, If there's anything this last year has taught us, it's that we tend to believe in anything -- pandemics magically disappearing, rigged U.S. elections, pedophiles on every corner, and so on and so on.

I have some Eastern European friends living in the states, and there are moments when you must spell certain obvious-ities out to them. They are bright, scientific people, but the cultural nuances and potential scams/ripoffs escape them on first look. There was one instance when a gambling subject came up, and despite math proficiency, they had to be warned off the turnip truck.

To do exactly what I do you'd need high credit lines and, more importantly, the ability to pay them off without incurring any sort of financial hardship. In other words - playing with money you may afford to lose. I can't imagine playing confidently if I couldn't afford to lose.

You would also need to understand how to work the comp system and any player advantages. High credit lines factor into all this - cash on deposit is probably not going to get you the same level of comps. I've mastered all that to the point where I can get duplicate comps and cash back or goods for a number of things across multiple resorts. Some of those advantages I used in the distant past when I would have up and down trips, others I keep in reserve for today just in case.

Someone could do what I do at a lower level with less money, but working the system is harder when playing smaller as they don't care about enticing your small time business.

As far as winning:
The caveat would be - that all the years I have high rolled at Baccarat and Blackjack I am the only one I have observed to win consistently, and win at levels that actually mean something, not just grinding out a few bucks. And although I was banned from Blackjack for a couple of years or so, I am not banned anywhere now. Other players, pit bosses, dealers, have all remarked the same - that I am the only one they've seen win consistently. Which means that the chances that you'll end up with my track record are small.

Thank you MDawg.

So you've got four or five figures in chips on the table. How do you take a restroom break without coloring up, and leaving your chips on the table? Do you put some kind of plastic cover over your chips or throw a cloth napkin over your chips?

Quote: ChumpChange

So you've got four or five figures in chips on the table. How do you take a restroom break without coloring up, and leaving your chips on the table? Do you put some kind of plastic cover over your chips or throw a cloth napkin over your chips?

You wear rubber pants.

If the girl you met at the table leaves her purse on her chair next to you when she takes a restroom break that gives you an indication of how you might be spending the next few days. Assuming that's what you want to do.

Quote: ChumpChange

So you've got four or five figures in chips on the table. How do you take a restroom break without coloring up,

You take the black and green
chips with you and leave the
roulette chips there to mark
your spot. Roulette players
constantly rathole black and
greens anyway so they don't
get stolen by other players.
I saw a guy years ago who
had so many blacks stuffed
in his tight pants rear pocket
they were falling onto the
floor.

Quote: ChumpChange

So you've got four or five figures in chips on the table. How do you take a restroom break without coloring up, and leaving your chips on the table? Do you put some kind of plastic cover over your chips or throw a cloth napkin over your chips?

Loaded question, in a way. If you're just going to be gone for a restroom break, you do nothing, just walk away. No one will touch your chips.

If you're going to be gone for a while, such as for a meal, yes, you ask them to cover your chips with a clear plastic cover. I've had them do that on GOOD nights where the stacks were so high that I had to spread the yellow chips out so that the cover height was adequate.

Players that have reserved tables, such as my newfound friend I met the last trip, keep their chips or at least the chips they have pulled and are playing with that session, at their private tables 7/24 sometimes, under the lucite covers. The casino assigns a dealer to these reserved tables at all times, and these highest rollers just show up when they have the time or inclination.

And - as far as throwing over a cloth - no, that's not done to player chips but if you have such a good night that you've busted the table, won all the chips available at that table, then the casinos in Europe or the Caribbean, throw a cloth over the entire table to mark your achievement - “faire sauter la banque“ - meaning that you broke the bank. This good feeling lasts only until they bring a fresh supply of chips, but, if you are ever lucky enough to see that cloth spread over your table, you're up there in Bob le Flambeur territoire.

Quote: MDawg

If you're going to be gone for a while, such as for a meal, yes, you ask them to cover your chips with a clear plastic cover.

Never seen this done anywhere. No
casino I've played at will hold a
spot longer the 12 or 15 min even
if there's black chips there. The floor
will count them and hold them
till you come back. They make
no money while you dawdle
over dinner.

This is pretty standard at any casino I've played at in Vegas or Tahoe. Of course, I'm referring to Baccarat in the high limit rooms.

Maybe Roulette it's more elbow to elbow people and leaving any chips unattended at the table would be frowned upon. Then again, I seem to recall seeing one of those plastic covers over a mountain of chips at the European wheel table in high limit before.

I've left chips at the blackjack tables before and walked away for restroom breaks, but never for long, so I don't know actually if they have the plastic covers for BlackJack too, but all Baccarat high limit pits have those lucite covers.

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I used to have a couple of these from WalMart years ago. I don't know if legal casino chips can fit in these. Should I just bring this chip case along so I can rack up on my way in or out?

😀

Quote: EvenBob

Never seen this done anywhere. No
casino I've played at will hold a
spot longer the 12 or 15 min even
if there's black chips there. The floor
will count them and hold them
till you come back. They make
no money while you dawdle
over dinner.

This is done all of the time in the High Limit rooms.

Quote: EvenBob

Never seen this done anywhere. No
casino I've played at will hold a
spot longer the 12 or 15 min even
if there's black chips there. The floor
will count them and hold them
till you come back. They make
no money while you dawdle
over dinner.

I bet they will hold a spot for a whale

Even betting 25-150 a hand on table games, I have just walked away from the table for 1 hour... Just left my chip's on the table. They have never rack up my chips. I understand Roulette gets a little crazy I would probably just pick up my chips. Unless there's a promo, bias wheel or something special there is zero reason to care if your seat is taken on most games.

Quote: DRich

This is done all of the time in the High Limit rooms.

The Huge Ego rooms? I don't play
there.

Quote: AxelWolf

I understand Roulette gets a little crazy

Ya think? People want to sit down and play and
there sits a stack of chips from some guy who's
been gone for 20 minutes. What do you think
the casino is going to do. And more often than
not when the guy does get back he shut upcolors up up
and leaves.

Quote: EvenBob

The Huge Ego rooms? I don't play
there.

Although I do have a big ego, I rarely play there either unless there is a good promo.

Baccarat - midi or grand (where you may touch the cards) is available generally only in high limit, so that is where I play Bacc.

Blackjack - sometimes the lower house edge games are also in high limit, so that's where I will play BlackJack if that is the case - otherwise doesn't really matter.

Except that - in these Pandemic days I don't like to be around people, period - and the High Limit pit is usually less crowded than the rest of the casino.


European roulette with the single 0 is found in high limit only at the casinos I frequent.

Craps - no choice. Never seen a craps table in any high limit pit. Craps would be out of place in a high limit salon anyway, not so much due to the game, but the noise and revelry.

Sometimes I have seen private high stakes Poker games going on in the back rooms of the high limit salon.

I predict you will win at every session you play

Why do those that do not enjoy, learn something, find interesting, side with and other values along those lines have to comment and insinuate innuendos that are negative and or attempts to degrade?

Why do they waste their own time?
Why do they expose their own jealousy?
Why read something you find a waste of time?
Why involve yourself with something you claim is fraudulent?

Why? Seriously, why?

Quote: Marcusclark66

Why do those that do not enjoy, learn something, find interesting, side with and other values along those lines have to comment and insinuate innuendos that are negative and or attempts to degrade?

Why do they waste their own time?
Why do they expose their own jealousy?
Why read something you find a waste of time?
Why involve yourself with something you claim is fraudulent?

Why? Seriously, why?

And why do you wast your time asking why other people wast their time? Why do you care? That's even stranger than people who wast their time with people who make outrageous claims... that most of us know not to be true. Why are multimillionaires obsessed with AxelWolf?