The Adventures of MDawg
I sleep about 6 hours a day and it's almost never the same times. I could be getting up at 5 am or going to bed at 5 am from on day to the next. Sometimes will seep for four hours get up and then take a 2 hour nap or sleep 3 hours and then another 3 hours.Quote: MDawgAxelWolf do you even sleep? I did. I just woke up to see if there are any good trades in the pre-market. Futures are pretty flat so I'm going back to sleep.
UnJon, you see, he hasn't accepted my Challenge whatsoever. He's still going back to claiming that <<If he is tossing out unreasonable terms then its a dishonest challenge and people will see that and judge the rest of his post and him as such. >> He did that with the markers, he did that with his talk about one out of focus posts, etc.
We're not on the same page yet.
He has to accept my Challenge in its entirety to move on. What he's doing is just giving lip service to accepting it, and then coming back later with objections.
What he's really saying is, I'm hoping not to have to post all that, and I'm not committing to posting all that yet.
My terms are absolute. Neither AxelWolf nor the judges have a right to state, yes well, I don't think AxelWolf has to post millions in markers. Yes well, I don't think he has to produce three years of trip reports. Yes well, I don't think he has to post pictures and videos of high end timepieces. Yes well, I don't think he has to post actual video of WIN statements while logged in live to player card accounts to substantiate all alleged wins. etc. Those are the terms for the Challenge! these are absolute.
Yes I came up with those terms because I myself posted all of that, but either he accepts the terms or we're done here.
Just like I said in my courtroom analogy, those are like issues of law. They don't get to the jury. The jury just has a right to decide issues of fact - whether AxelWolf has successfully produced evidence that qualifies for each of these terms.
If we can't get past that part, there is nothing more to talk about. The terms are not open to negotiation. I'm not going to waste a bunch of time just to have AxelWolf come back with some conniving qualifier again like the "only if it's a good deal" one he imposed on his unconditional watch offer.
I accepted the terms you originally put up.
I agreed the judges cant change the requirements you posted up. The are to judge if those requirements have been fulfilled or not. They should be able to call a foul if you require something that's close to impossible like if you required me to take a picture of the same brand of expensive shoes that are no longer in existence. Or if you required me to post up Million of dollars in markers but you haven't done so yourself
A fair way to judge it.
To know Ill get paid if successful.
Not sure why a Mega wealthy guy (Who claims to have Multi Millions in BTC alone) would be worried all that much.
We're not getting anywhere. You keep saying that you accept the terms absolutely, but add things like "Or if you required me to post up Million of dollars in markers but you haven't done so yourself." Either you accept the terms or you don't.
Assuming you accept the terms and stop contradicting yourself with talk that implies that you still want the terms themselves to be judged:
Let's talk about how long you will have to post your three year long adventures trip reports thread. I'm posting an average of two to three months of stays in Vegas per year, divided over three to five trips per year, so you'll have post something like that, with daily session reports just as I did. I'd say you'd have at least one year. Given that 2020, is over, you can't post a WIN statement from 2021, until January 2022. You claim that what I am doing is posting WIN statements of some other player. I explained here why that's virtually impossible for me to have done that, but in order for you to do what you claim I did, you'll have to wait until at least 2021, WIN statements are available, to be able to post even one year of trip reports, backed up by a WIN statement. And again, if you don't have time to read my explanation of why you'll need at least a year to do this, ask someone else here to explain it to you, who has read all of what I wrote and understands the challenge.
You said Axel cannot post real chips, real suites. Everything has to be faked.
Why would the Win reports have to be real?
(And personally I'm not doing a years worth of work for five grand.
Imo here we go again with unrealistic challenge requirements)
Why does AW need to wait? If the win statements are going to be faked anyway, they could show whatever year he wants. There's no reason why he couldn't post statements from 2020, 2021, and 2022 (or 1920, 1921, and 1922 for that matter) if he wanted to. Right?Quote: MDawgGiven that 2020, is over, you can't post a WIN statement from 2021, until January 2022. You claim that what I am doing is posting WIN statements of some other player. I explained here why that's virtually impossible for me to have done that, but in order for you to do what you claim I did, you'll have to wait until at least 2021, WIN statements are available, to be able to post even one year of trip reports, backed up by a WIN statement. And again, if you don't have time to read my explanation of why you'll need at least a year to do this, ask someone else here to explain it to you, who has read all of what I wrote and understands the challenge.
If he wants to prove that it is possible to do what he claims I did, he has to post trip reports for a period of time, and then at the end of the year come up with some other guy's player WIN statement to back up everything that he claimed he won all year long. That's what he claims I did!
In a month I'll post video of my WIN statements from 2020. Guess what? They will corroborate the amounts I claimed to have won this year. Quite a coincidence huh? How did I find some player willing to let me log into his account that just happened to win what I have claimed to have won with my trip posts made over the course of the past year.
This is getting to the point where I'm about ready to just self suspend for a month and let him cry over the fact that he wasn't able to wear me down into accepting his terms, instead of mine. It's my Challenge, why should I accept anything other than my terms? It's a unilateral offer is what it is.
First he demanded that the evidence be faked.
Of course, I thought that was idiotic. It's much easier to fake stuff than do it for real. Ever go see a Hollywood movie lately or check out Photoshop images on the internet.
Realizing his error, now MDawg is demanding AW not use any tools to create faked items.
Again, more unrealistic demands!
Let the Wizard be the sole judge. (I am sure he would say no but why not try?)
No sense talking about the rest of the crap until the judge problem is agreed upon.
Of course this challenge never had a prayer of happening but still good reading during my covid isolation.
Quote: unJonI can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.
Whether or not I can understand it can be evaluated after you explain what it is you are talking about.
What's the point that AW will have proven?
It doesn't seem like you even know.
Does it not?Quote: coachbelly
It doesn't seem like you even know.
Quote: MDawgThe point of this is to prove that what I did could be faked.
Quote: AxelWolfExactly
You need to post something to prove what MDawg posted could be faked.
You haven't posted anything, how have you proven what he posted can be faked?
Quote: coachbellyYou need to post something to prove what MDawg posted could be faked.
You haven't posted anything, how have you proven what he posted can be faked?
Why would he start the challenge before all the terms have been agreed upon?
Quote: unJonDoes it not?
No it does not.
What is Axel's point that will be proven, if payment is not “guaranteed” to his satisfaction?
We don't know that.Quote: MDawgI never posted any camera trickery or photoshopped altered images so obviously he cannot either.
So now MD is saying I cant use real or fake pictures or videos to attempt to make real or fake videos? ROTFLMAOQuote: darkozWouldn't posting WIN reports from 2021 (which isn't possible yet) be valid proof that Axelwolf can fake a trip report?
You said Axel cannot post real chips, real suites. Everything has to be faked.
Why would the Win reports have to be real?
(And personally I'm not doing a years worth of work for five grand.
Imo here we go again with unrealistic challenge requirements)
Quote: coachbellyNo it does not.
What is Axel's point that will be proven, if payment is not “guaranteed” to his satisfaction?
I said it up thread.
You keep talking in circles and this is going nowhere, and I have real work to do.
Based on advice given to me by the Wizard, I withdraw my Challenge and accept a one month suspension.
I consider this a disingenuous, dishonest, fake, BS offer. It's on par with the welshing and trolling members of The Forum.
Quote: JoemanThere's no reason why he couldn't post statements from 2020, 2021, and 2022
The judges would evaluate and compare the authenticity of MDawg's and Axel's documentation in their entirety, photos, videos, paper documents, forum-posted trip reports, etc.
If Axel presents W/L statements from years that are not available, then they would be immediately flagged by the judges as fake.
The challenge is whether or not Axel can produce evidence that the judges find authentic, not whether they can agree that it's faked.
Otherwise, Axel can submit a W/L statement written in crayon on a napkin and claim the prize, as having faked the document.
Quote: darkozWhy would he start the challenge before all the terms have been agreed upon?
Then you agree, that if he hasn't started the challenge, then he hasn't proven anything.
Quote: MDawgAxelWolf, of course you know I never used photoshop - you claimed that what I did was use someone else's player account to login to and post a video of his WIN statements. I explained here why that is practically impossible. I'd have had to know in advance how much the guy was going to win, and then make sure that my trip reports during the year added up to that. And in case you need a lesson in photoshop, it doesn't work for live video, nor does it work to alter what is on a webpage, it only works for static images on your computer. The WIN statements I posted show, for example, the rotating player card while logged in to my player account, and are obviously live and not photoshopped.
You keep talking in circles and this is going nowhere, and I have real work to do.
Based on advice given to me by the Wizard, I withdraw my Challenge and accept a one month suspension.
I don’t see why you need to accept a suspension. If negotiations break down then that’s that. I have found the negotiations frustrating so assume they are even more so for you.
Quote: unJonI said it up thread.
You said plenty up thread. But you haven't answered this...
What point of Axel's is proven if Axel declines to participate in the challenge?
Quote: MDawgAxelWolf: First off, I want to say that the spirit of this challenge is not to trick you into some situation where anyone is nitpicky about sifting through what you have posted, versus what I have posted.
Keep in mind that the challenge is that you're going to post something FAKE that mirrors my trip reports and pictures. I mean, if you go and play Baccarat and actually bet and actually spend weeks in Vegas and then post a trip report, that will not win the bet. You claim you may FAKE all of this - which would mean, you're not really betting, you're not really staying in the suites, you don't really own all these expensive watches, you're not really getting comped. You must created a FAKED adventure thread to win the bet, because that is the point isn't it? That it is possible to fake all of this
But you have to understand what it is you claimed that led to all this – that you may FAKE everything such that it appears like the real thing.
Quote: MDawgI never posted any camera trickery or photoshopped altered images so obviously he cannot either. Besides the fact that he doesn't claim that I used camera trickery or photoshop - he is claiming that I'm just taking pictures of piles of cash and chips and not actually playing, and that I'm posting video of someone else's player WIN statements.
Quote: MDawg
Based on advice given to me by the Wizard, I withdraw my Challenge and accept a one month suspension.
Tick, tock, tick tock...
Oh, damn. My watch stopped early!
How does one post up a picture of something that can't be authentic or fake? How can the judges find something authentic they know has to be fake and if its not fake it must be real, therefore, anything any challenge posted would be automatically disqualified. How do you suggest we solve this problem?Quote: coachbellyThe judges would evaluate and compare the authenticity of MDawg's and Axel's documentation in their entirety, photos, videos, paper documents, forum-posted trip reports, etc.
If Axel presents W/L statements from years that are not available, then they would be immediately flagged by the judges as fake.
The challenge is whether or not Axel can produce evidence that the judges find authentic, not whether they can agree that it's faked.
Otherwise, Axel can submit a W/L statement written in crayon on a napkin and claim the prize, as having faked the document.
Quote: coachbellyYou said plenty up thread. But you haven't answered this...
What point of Axel's is proven if Axel declines to participate in the challenge?
The pleasure is in the journey, not the destination. Let me know if you find the answer up thread. Or maybe you will decide not to undertake the journey.
Quote: MDawgBut you have to understand what it is you claimed that led to all this – that you may FAKE everything such that it appears like the real thing.
That point has been lost to most of the others.
They're arguing that Axel would win the prize money by simply faking things, regardless of whether they appear to be genuine or not.
Axel's W/L statement from 1922 can be faked, but it cannot appear genuine to the judges for the purposes of this challenge.
That's why you shouldn't put the prize money up front, without ironing out the details first.
I said that was ONE way you could be doing it. There's lots of ways you could be doing it and I was thinking it was a combination of multiple things.Quote: MDawgAxelWolf, of course you know I never used photoshop - you claimed that what I did was use someone else's player account to login to and post a video of his WIN statements. I explained here why that is practically impossible. I'd have had to know in advance how much the guy was going to win, and then make sure that my trip reports during the year added up to that. And in case you need a lesson in photoshop, it doesn't work for live video, nor does it work to alter what is on a webpage, it only works for static images on your computer. The WIN statements I posted show, for example, the rotating player card while logged in to my player account, and are obviously live and not photoshopped.
You keep talking in circles and this is going nowhere, and I have real work to do.
Based on advice given to me by the Wizard, I withdraw my Challenge and accept a one month suspension.
How does a mega always winning multi millionaire give up so easily? You simply needed to do 3 simple things.
Come up with a way to guarantee payment.
Agree to a reasonably fair way to judge the outcome.
Quote: coachbellyThat point has been lost to most of the others.
They're arguing that Axel would win the prize money by simply faking things, regardless of whether they appear to be genuine or not.
Axel's W/L statement from 1922 can be faked, but it cannot appear genuine to the judges for the purposes of this challenge.
That's why you shouldn't put the prize money up front, without ironing out the details first.
100% wrong.
The way a faked thread would be evaluated is for the judges to figure out how it was faked. If they can't figure it out then it passes the mustard test
That's the way it's done for most obvious fakery in entertainment.
For example, saying you know a woman being sawed in half is fake doesn't take away from the reality of the illusion. You have to explain away how it was done.
The illusion (regardless of what your common sense brain tells you) is being deceived by your eyes which makes it all the more real (although still faked)
Quote: AxelWolfHow can the judges find something authentic they know has to be fake? How do you suggest we solve this problem?
The judges don't need to know anything is faked.
The judges examine the evidence presented by both parties, then compare and judge the authenticity of the materials, without being told any of it is faked.
If they judge MDawg's material to be authentic, and your's by comparison to be faked, then you don't win the prize.
You would win the prize with any other combination of judges' "verdicts"
Both are real, both are fake, or (MDawg's=fake & Axel's=real)
All my evidence would look as genuine as his or better, AND I would've posted up a more grandiose high rolling status including stuff he never asked for. For example, a limousine driver picking me up at the airport. Dinner at a nice restaurant while the server brings me a bottle of wine worth more than his watch. perhaps Id be rolling around in a suite with 100's of thousands in cash and screw chip's I might have plaques. Who knows where I would've went with this.Quote: coachbellyThat point has been lost to most of the others.
They're arguing that Axel would win the prize money by simply faking things, regardless of whether they appear to be genuine or not.
Axel's W/L statement from 1922 can be faked, but it cannot appear genuine to the judges for the purposes of this challenge.
That's why you shouldn't put the prize money up front, without ironing out the details first.
I might very well do some examples and send them to various members and see how they would have judged that evidence.
Quote: darkozThat's the way it's done for most obvious fakery in entertainment.
There is no obvious fakery exhibited so far for the purposes of this challenge, so your comparison to magic tricks doesn't apply.
The experts wouldn't assume beforehand that anything has been faked.
Quote: AxelWolfI might very well do some examples and send them to various members and see how they would have judged that evidence.
You should have done that from the beginning...I've stated that repeatedly.
Sounds like you wised up.
and where are you going to find judges that read the terms and conditions and all of his b******* restrictions without knowing it's it's faked. He would have to tell the judges in advance that I cannot use real chips, and all that stuff it can't be real. So are they going to judge if it's a real, or judge if it's fake, or both, I don't understand, it makes absolutely no sense.Quote: coachbellyThe judges don't need to know anything is faked.
The judges examine the evidence presented by both parties, then compare and judge the authenticity of the materials, without being told any of it is faked.
If they judge MDawg's material to be authentic, and your's by comparison to be faked, then you don't win the prize.
You would win the prize with any other combination of judges' "verdicts"
Both are real, both are fake, or (MDawg's=fake & Axel's=real)
If it was as easy as you say(and it certainly should have been) this would have happened already.
Quote: AxelWolfAll my evidence would look as genuine as his or better
These are among the details that needed to be agreed upon before money was posted.
But you didn't want to cooperate, and so you've lost a chance at the $5K prize.
Another point I reiterated many times earlier.
And now you're willing to do it without getting paid.
This is the circle, the complete nonsense, that MDawg wrote of earlier.
Quote: AxelWolfand where are you going to find judges that read the terms and conditions and all of his b******* restrictions without knowing it's it's faked. He would have to tell the judges in advance that I cannot use real chips, and all that stuff it can't be real. So are they going to judge if it's a real, or judge if it's fake, or both, I don't understand, it makes absolutely no sense.
It doesn't make sense to you because you are assuming facts not in evidence.
You would secure the services of a judge or panel of judges without telling them anything has been faked, they would be charged with determining if the materials are genuine or faked.
Quote: AxelWolfIf it was as easy as you say(and it certainly should have been) this would have happened already.
I didn't happen because you've been stalling all along.
This was likely all a ploy to get MDawg suspended.
You and others are still lobbying for him to be suspended, even after he's accepted a suspension.
No, it wasn't a matter of wising up, I was considering doing that from the get-go.Quote: coachbellyYou should have done that from the beginning...I've stated that repeatedly.
Sounds like you wised up.
I had my reasons for not doing it. I still haven't decided one way or another, we shall see.
MDawg should have wised up from the beginning and just admitted all that stuff could certainly be faked and simply stated his wasn't and it's their prerogative if they believe him or not. THAT'S WHAT A LEGITIMATE SUPER MEGA RICH, ALLWAYS WINNING, NEVER LOSING A STOCKS, HIGHROLER, BACCARAT MASTER WOULD DO WITH HIS FU MONEY.
Guess what someone faking it would do? I think we all know now.
I was 99% certain no matter what I agreed to he was never going to pay me or anyone 5k. Id actually be shocked if he had a spare 5k.Quote: coachbelly
But you didn't want to cooperate, and so you've lost a chance at the $5K prize.
Quote: AxelWolfTHAT'S WHAT A LEGITIMATE SUPER MEGA RICH, ALLWAYS WINNING, NEVER LOSING A STOCKS, HIGHROLER BACCARAT MASTER WOULD DO WITH HIS FU MONEY.
You have no idea how such a person described above would behave, but likely know how fakers act.
MDawg was ready to pay you, but you didn't produce the goods.
Quote: AxelWolfI was 99% certain no matter what I agreed to he was never going to pay me or anyone 5k. Id actually be shocked if he had a spare 5k.
Your certainty is a manifestation of paranoia.
Yes I do. No he wasn't. Not producing anything based on his word he will pay.Quote: coachbellyYou have no idea how such a person described above would behave, but likely know how fakers act.
MDawg was ready to pay you, but you didn't produce the goods.
He couldn't even come up with a logical reasonable way to guarantee funds if successful.
He remained silent when I made an almost flawless simple logical method to solve this problem. I mentioned it multiple times. He remained silent because he couldn't come up with a good excuse.
Quote: MDawgBased on advice given to me by the Wizard, I withdraw my Challenge and accept a one month suspension.
Thank you. I hope this puts an end to the drama of the challenge at least.
Happy new year and see you in a month.
Not paranoia, it's based on logic and what we all have seen in the past when dealing with previous members who were quite similar to him. FYI there's a slew of people who all thought the same as me. Most of them didn't comment here, but people were warning me, as if didn't already know.Quote: coachbellyYour certainty is a manifestation of paranoia.
Quote: AxelWolfNot paranoia, it's based on logic FYI there's a slew of people who all thought the same as me.
It's paranoia, not logic.
Whatever a slew of others thought is a manifestation of their similar personalities, and their predisposition to engage you privately...every bit as meaningless as the silly polls that pop up from time to time.
There are no scientific or logical conclusions that can be drawn about the membership, only about the members who contacted you or voted in the polls.
The fact is, most of his audience doesn't agree with him or believe him. The fact that you're the only one here defending him says volumes, and it isn't good, especially since most of the people interested know your existence seems to only be about backing up nonsense, trolls and BS.Quote: coachbellyIt's paranoia, not logic.
Whatever a slew of others thought is a manifestation of their similar personalities, and their predisposition to engage you privately...every bit as meaningless as the silly polls that pop up from time to time.
There are no scientific or logical conclusions that can be drawn about the membership, only about the members who contacted you or voted in the polls.
Quote: AxelWolfThe fact that you're the only one here defending him says volumes
Your statement above only serves to further demonstrate that you don't understand what a fact is.
You don't know what most of his audience agrees with or believes.
You routinely present your uninformed opinions, insulting accusations, and other assorted nonsense as facts.
That says volumes, and it isn't good.
Quote: coachbellyYour statement above only serves to further demonstrate that you don't understand what a fact is.
You don't know what most of his audience agrees with or believes.
You routinely present your uniformed opinions, insulting accusations, and other assorted nonsense as facts.
That says volumes, and it isn't good.
I like my opinions in uniform.
