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March 23rd, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM permalink
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Given home confinement in California, the Adventures of MDawg currently include Arnold's in home workout:
https://generationiron.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-home-workout/



You can definitely tell he's off-season in those pictures...

But there are pics out there where he's even more "off-season." It looks like Arnold's head pasted on someone else's body...
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March 23rd, 2020 at 3:56:28 PM permalink
Well that's the thing about being bulkily muscular - when these guys get older they just seem to get fat. Muscle can't turn into fat, but as it dissolves the fat takes its place. Same thing seems to happen to these military types who were in shape only during their service.

Versus, say, being Mick Jagger thin, or something like Bruce Lee - if Bruce had survived I doubt he would have ever gotten fat.
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March 24th, 2020 at 9:24:20 AM permalink
My suggestion that "quitting while ahead" works has been met with contumely from some here.

First of all, although they sound the same, in my book "hit and run" and "quitting while ahead" are two different things.

Hit and run is like when I play just one or two hands, win a thousand, think back to how I played for hours the day before and ended up just a thousand, and leave. Hit and run for me is a very quick session.

Quitting while ahead might take hours, and it might come after being down and then climbing back up to even or ahead. Or it might come after repeated shoes when I keep winning, but finally decide that I have reached some goal, or won enough given my starting bankroll.

I would add that when I play, I play with almost no time constraints. When I go to Vegas, we stay practically indefinitely, and rarely less than two weeks. I had one trip last year when we arrived beginning of September and left early October - I just kept winning, and would move to a different resort when it seemed that my comps had run out, or we got bored with that resort. We ended up on the last leg of the trip at the same first casino resort we had arrived at at the beginning of the trip. Hello deja vu!

Also, each session, I play with nothing booked to interfere with the play, not even dinner, and no social events. I start playing after I am well rested, have eaten and been to the gym, with at least a potential eight hours ahead of me of uninterrupted play. Do I always play all of those hours? No, most often nowhere close, but I always leave open the option so that I leave the table when I want to leave, not due to some other appointment. On a day when we have a social event planned I will make sure I have many hours before that event free to play, or else I do not play at all that day.

I am blessed with being self employed and able to carry on most of my business while traveling.


I will add that I have a friend who plays Baccarat very big, average five thousand a hand, who says that "hit and run" doesn't work for her - for reasons different from what some here have enumerated. She says that when she hits and run, she wins small. It works for days on end, until one day, she loses a ton, which eats up all the recent days of small hit and run earnings, and brings her back to ground zero, or worse. In my case though, my wins are kept consistent. I am not trying for a home run or strikeout every time, so the quitting while ahead in my case adds up steadily, and I don't experience a sudden huge wipeout such as she describes.

I also agree with what some have said - which is basically that while when stretched out into infinity, quitting while ahead might theoretically have no value, we Don't play an infinite number of hours. We Don't have to play forever. For example, as mentioned in my story, I quit gambling entirely for about a decade, over a decade ago because I got too busy with life in general. I quit while ahead then, and can do it again now, since I returned to gambling about two years ago.

In any case, for me, quitting while ahead works well, and given that I have been doing it for years upon years successfully, I can't see any reason to let it go. If you think about it, there are three ways a session might go - lose and never ahead, ahead at some point, and ahead all the time. Most sessions will fall into the middle category. Given that in most (the majority) of sessions you will wind up ahead at some point, why is it so hard to accept that if you quit while ahead, you will consequently win the majority of your sessions.

Just talk to any Vegas dealer or pit boss - they will tell you universally that the main reason people don't win, is that they keep playing after a streak.
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March 24th, 2020 at 9:25:02 AM permalink
Getting back to "statistics" just think, every session at the casino, your own play, or watching the other players - one of three things invariably happens - you go straight down the tubes and are never up, you go straight up and are never down, or you might be down at some points and up at some points. The vast vast majority of the time, the in between course happens, meaning that the vast majority of the time you are UP at some point. What I try to do, is quit when I am ahead. Now, people say, so what - you will come back at some point (I play just one session a day, so for me, that some point means the next day), and then you might lose (more exactly they are saying that over time the house advantage will getchya). However, as long as you understand that the vast majority of the time you will have sessions where you are ahead at some point, and you always leave when ahead, then why is it so hard to accept that quitting when ahead you will win most of your sessions?


Now, ALL THAT SAID, so there are still people who opine that quitting while ahead will not change the results over time. Well then, what about QUITTING WHILE BEHIND. What if you made a concerted effort to play each session only until you were behind, and then left - made sure to leave every session behind. Would this skew statistically your long term results?
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March 24th, 2020 at 10:14:48 AM permalink
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Getting back to "statistics" just think, every session at the casino, your own play, or watching the other players - one of three things invariably happens - you go straight down the tubes and are never up, you go straight up and are never down, or you might be down at some points and up at some points. The vast vast majority of the time, the in between course happens, meaning that the vast majority of the time you are UP at some point. What I try to do, is quit when I am ahead. Now, people say, so what - you will come back at some point (I play just one session a day, so for me, that some point means the next day), and then you might lose (more exactly they are saying that over time the house advantage will getchya). However, as long as you understand that the vast majority of the time you will have sessions where you are ahead at some point, and you always leave when ahead, then why is it so hard to accept that quitting when ahead you will win most of your sessions?


Now, ALL THAT SAID, so there are still people who opine that quitting while ahead will not change the results over time. Well then, what about QUITTING WHILE BEHIND. What if you made a concerted effort to play each session only until you were behind, and then left - made sure to leave every session behind. Would this skew statistically your long term results?



The response is that “sessions” is a fake construct. You have one session and it lasts over your lifetime of play. Taking longer between hands every now and then (because you stop your “current session” or leave Vegas for a few weeks) doesn’t impact your lifetime session statistics.
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March 24th, 2020 at 10:55:22 AM permalink
The empirical evidence is that quitting while ahead has impacted mine - my lifetime statistics. So, a posteriori I argue that "quitting while ahead" works.

But still, you're ACTUALLY arguing that if a person quits while BEHIND every session this will not impact his results? Do you realize how absurd such an argument sounds?
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March 24th, 2020 at 11:08:32 AM permalink
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The empirical evidence is that quitting while ahead has impacted mine - my lifetime statistics. So, a posteriori I argue that "quitting while ahead" works.

But still, you're ACTUALLY arguing that if a person quits while BEHIND every session this will not impact his results? Do you realize how absurd such an argument sounds?



I’m not arguing that. I’m stating the point of view that there’s no such thing as “quitting” FULL STOP. Unless you actually never play again. What you call quitting is just an extended trip to the bathroom between hands (sometimes your bathroom break between hands lasts five minutes, sometimes five months).

Or to crib and paraphrase your words:

“But still, you’re ACTUALLY arguing that if a person [takes a bathroom break in the middle of a session] while BEHIND this will not impact his results? Do you realize how absurd such an argument sounds?”
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March 24th, 2020 at 11:57:06 AM permalink
I am not arguing that over time an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters will not produce all the works of Shakespeare. Although - some have argued that this is not so, correct? (Some maintain that the Infinite-Monkey Theorem cannot be true — otherwise Usenet would have reproduced the entire canon of great literature by now.)

In any case, my lifetime is finite, not infinite. Over the course of my very finite gambling sessions my quitting while ahead has affected the outcome, the same as if I had quit while behind every time, this would have affected the outcome.
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March 24th, 2020 at 12:02:17 PM permalink
Let's consider day trading. Today I bought extra shares, for a trade, of AMZN at 1911 (long). It went as low as 1900. I held on, and the sell was executed at my original sell order I entered, 1913. I do this ALL the time, not every day, but many days a week.

Now, just like in gambling sessions, when I do my stock trades, sometimes the stock goes straight up into my fill (or straight down, if I am short). Sometimes it goes against me first. Sometimes it goes up a little but not quite enough, then drops to go against me, then later comes back to where I wanted it, and fills. But for whatever reason, every trade I have booked in two years now has been closed at a profit. In some cases I had to wait a day, or days or even WEEKS (ugh) for the trade to come back, but it always did, and I always booked a profit.

Therefore, I can say that quitting my day trades only while ahead has contributed to booking profits on every trade, to a 100% success record.

But if I had panicked and sold at a loss on every trade as soon as it went against me, then I would have lost close to 100% of the time.
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:10:13 PM permalink
All right here we go again. I posted video of some of the 2019 and 2020 WINS here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/trip-reports/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/23/#post760518
2020 (to date) Cosmo: 20,600
2019 Palms: 11,400
2019 Wynn: 44,125.

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AND NOW, by popular demand (someone asked for this), here are the rest:
2019 Cosmo: 11,150
2018 Cosmo: 3850
2019 T.I.: 48,350
2018 T.I.: 2200

As I explain in the video, I went to Cosmo only once in 2018 (this was the year I started up playing again, and our first trip of the year to Vegas was in September as I recall - hadn't played for about a decade - decade or so hiatus), and as I described in one of my WOV posts before we even actually stayed at Cosmo and soon after I got my line there, I went in and dumped three grand at this 6:5 BJ table before I even realized that it was a 6:5. So then at some point after that we checked in to the Cosmo, and I won seven grand, which made the sum total for the year 3850 or so.

And then also, the reason the Cosmo 2019, win is only 11,150, is there was that ONE NIGHT I described at WOV where I DUMPED a bunch of money at Cosmo in one session, then WALKED all the way down the Strip to T.I., and won a gang in one session or so. This is why the T.I. win is 48,350 almost all of that was in one session, a "spite" win used partially to pay off Cosmo (I dumped a bunch at Cosmo that one session). Once I had the T.I. money to pay off Cosmo, I didn't really care about the one session loss at Cosmo.

But in any case, ALL wins, and this is on top of the maybe a hundred grand a year these casinos are comp'ing us for the full RFB treatment, spa comps and events. Hell I even have a second barbecue at home now, a two thousand dollar job, and she has yet another pair of high end thousand dollar or so sunglasses, both courtesy of Steve Wynn. Or rather, courtesy of whoever his successor is. No, little things like that don't mean much, but when they come on top of WINNING, they actually do.

The point of all these corroborations - is that I post the TRUTH. It's much easier to post the truth play by play, than to make things up. I've been posting MDawg Adventures for two years now and if I were making things up I would have contradicted myself many times by now - I have not. And if you compare these win numbers with my stories going back two years, they should match.

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March 24th, 2020 at 2:29:35 PM permalink
Showing wins on win/loss statements (or showing losses) can be faked.

To quote Merlin from the film Excalibur: "You will have to do better than that!"

(Probably half a dozen other movies with the same quote but Nicol Williamson's delivery was spot on)
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:36:23 PM permalink
You're an (alleged) under the radar penny slots scalper, you've probably never seen or experienced a win/loss statement in your entire life! As well, other than talk, you've never posted an ounce of corroboration for anything you claim to have done, ever. Listen, could you at least please post some images of bus tickets? That would be something.

I post live videos of me logged in. Anyone who gambles knows what it means.

If you don't want to accept that,
I don't know what else I can do for you.
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:40:42 PM permalink
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To quote Merlin from the film Excalibur


I hate fantasy movies. I draw a hard line.
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:44:20 PM permalink
I have learned a new word. Contumely. I thought it was a typo before I looked it up. i am pretty sure I have never heard it before.

You probably know this.... are the hosts you use independent contractors, and thus now out of luck, or are they MGM/Wynn/Caesars employees still being paid?
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:52:14 PM permalink
You know where I learned that word? It was when I read the Robert Graves I Claudius series books. I had to look it up when I first saw it too.

Hi Soopoo, I think what you are getting at is how the independent hosts get a "cut" of your losses? No, all of my hosts are currently in-house. At least these days, I am not a big enough player (I don't think) to qualify for anyone like Steve Cyr. I did watch a video of him recently when he referred to how he has a "truck driver" player who brings in ten grand each time, so maybe he doesn't discriminate, but in any case, his adage is "I love losers" so in that respect, I wouldn't qualify.

What's interesting is Cyr talks in this article
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/confessions-of-the-man-who-wins-big-when-you-lose-it-all-in-vegas
about the guy who had to wire in $100,000. to get the 1200 square foot wraparound Terrace suite at the Cosmo. We spent a week in that suite this last trip Feb/March 2020, won $22K and they comp'ed everything full RFB plus all spa, but I have only a $50K credit line. However, that's a credit line and I am an established player at the Cosmo. A guy who has to bring in cash might lose it and never return, which is probably why they asked for a hundred K from that player just to give him the same room.

I wasn't aware but Cyr is Director of Player Development at Palms? Never seen or heard of the guy while at the Palms. Maybe he comes out of the woodwork only for their very top players I must not qualify although my host there has been at the Palms for about forever.
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:52:16 PM permalink
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You're an (alleged) under the radar penny slots scalper, you've probably never seen or experienced a win/loss statement in your entire life! As well, other than talk, you've never posted an ounce of corroboration for anything you claim to have done, ever. Listen, could you at least please post some images of bus tickets? That would be something.

I post live videos of me logged in. Anyone who gambles knows what it means.

If you don't want to accept that,
I don't know what else I can do for you.



Lol

Most of the people on this forum have read enough of my threads to know what I do and the volume

I can say that the win of $11,000 for all of 2018 is horribly weak. I have won more than that in a single day doing what I do, and with a lot less risk
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March 24th, 2020 at 2:59:40 PM permalink
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"You will have to do better than that!"



Is there any documentation MDawg could post on this forum that would corroborate his claim that he won overall for 2019?

How about his two 2020 trips, which he documented extensively in his real-time trip reports and some follow-up posts. Is there any other documentation that MDawg could post that would verify the results found in his trip reports?
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:05:21 PM permalink
DarkO: You're wrong. My win in 2018 wasn't 11,000. it was more like 9000. (My win in 2019 was 115,025.) My wins are what they are. I don't inflate. But, keep in mind that I don't do this for a living and I don't spend all year in Vegas. Actually, in 2018, as I recall we had only one or two trips, both only about a week. So for two weeks spent gambling in 2018, nine grand, and all comp'ed, is there a problem?

If I were to calculate, between all the hours you spend researching, traveling, BUS TICKETS, pushing buttons until you get carpal tunnel syndrome, and then having to cover food, lodging and expenses on your own, I am certain you are barely pulling in minimum wage. Not to mention that what you do you have to keep running from the law and casino security.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:07:38 PM permalink
"Quitting while ahead" has no relevance to advantage play. You either have an edge based on the design of the game (blackjack card counting) or you don't based on the design of the game. (baccarat).

There is no such thing as advantage play on the latter unless you utilize comps or some loss rebate scenario. You can spin the wheels of "quit while ahead" as some rationalization for AP play until you turn blue....it's not AP play.

The player would have to invent card counting for baccarat. And no...."I've got a gut feeling" isn't AP play.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:13:12 PM permalink
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DarkO: You're wrong. My win in 2018 wasn't 11,000. it was more like 9000. (My win in 2019 was 115,025.) My wins are what they are. I don't inflate. But, keep in mind that I don't do this for a living and I don't spend all year in Vegas. Actually, in 2018, as I recall we had only one or two trips, both only about a week. So for two weeks spent gambling in 2018, nine grand, and all comp'ed, is there a problem?

If I were to calculate, between all the hours you spend researching, traveling, BUS TICKETS, pushing buttons until you get carpal tunnel syndrome, and then having to cover food, lodging and expenses on your own, I am certain you are barely pulling in minimum wage. Not to mention that what you do you have to keep running from the law and casino security.



Definitely very wrong on minimum wage.

And why I am I running from the law? You must not understand what I do. Certainly I don't break the law with my AP play. That has never been an issue
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:16:28 PM permalink
There was a well known investor who always made profit on the stock market

His name was Bernie Madoff
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:18:44 PM permalink
TD Vegas: Yes, that's the theory. But I don't think too many of you have ever really tried to play table games as disciplined as I do, for as long as I have, so how can you say it doesn't work? In any case, it works for me and has for a lifetime.

I mean if you look back, I arrived here at WOV in 2018, and then declared that I was going to start playing again after about a decade off, and go back to winning, and now two years later I have done it. I've done exactly what I planned to do. I never claimed that I was going to do this for a living, but I did post that if I started to lose I would quit. I haven't lost yet.


Come on DarkO give it a break. You may go back to doing what you do don't worry no one here is trying to earn minimum wage, so your "secrets" are safe. How about if you start your own thread and post something interesting.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:26:45 PM permalink
They can say whatever they want....as can you. What's truth, fiction or just flat out made up is much too difficult to discern, prove or validate on what is an anonymous forum such as this...let alone the reasons WHY such a claim "needs" to be told AND accepted. I assume self gratification.

Nothing can be proven or disproven to a satisfactory degree. Much like discussions of dice influence....these are personally held beliefs essentially unprovable or provable in the written or picture posted world of wizard of Vegas.

Carry on.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:28:16 PM permalink
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TD Vegas: Yes, that's the theory. But I don't think too many of you have ever really tried to play table games as disciplined as I do, for as long as I have, so how can you say it doesn't work? In any case, it works for me and has for a lifetime.

I mean if you look back, I arrived here at WOV in 2018, and then declared that I was going to start playing again after about a decade off, and go back to winning, and now two years later I have done it. I've done exactly what I planned to do. I never claimed that I was going to do this for a living, but I did post that if I started to lose I would quit. I have't lost yet.


Come on DarkO give it a break. You may go back to doing what you do don't worry no one here is trying to earn minimum wage, so your "secrets" are safe. How about if you start your own thread and post something interesting.



You just laid it out

I have secrets to winning to keep (and not minimum wage)

Just blowing smoke isn't a secret winning strategy

As the famous sleuth said, "eliminate the impossible and whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth"

Nowhere does that apply better than to your stories which stretch probability
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:28:46 PM permalink
TD Vegas: More theory. You sound less and less like a gambler all the time. If I look over your posts (I have not, should I bother?), will I find anything other than theory or "You can't win because I always lose" posts?

DarkO: There are writers, real writers, on the one side, and then on the other side there are people who decide to write "because people read" the same way that someone who knows nothing about cooking decides to open a restaurant because "people eat." Which are you?
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:29:55 PM permalink
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More theory. You sound less and less like a gambler all the time. If I look over your posts (I have not, should I bother?), will I find anything other than theory or "You can't win because I always lose" posts?



The fact you haven't explains much
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:33:11 PM permalink
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TD Vegas: Yes, that's the theory. But I don't think too many of you have ever really tried to play table games as disciplined as I do, for as long as I have, so how can you say it doesn't work? In any case, it works for me and has for a lifetime.

I mean if you look back, I arrived here at WOV in 2018, and then declared that I was going to start playing again after about a decade off, and go back to winning, and now two years later I have done it. I've done exactly what I planned to do. I never claimed that I was going to do this for a living, but I did post that if I started to lose I would quit. I haven't lost yet.


Wonderful....as I said, you can make ANY claim you like. If your NEED is that your advantage baccarat claims are to be believed or you have made 19 of 19 profitable stock trades...or 100 out of 100, whatever....

You're SOL....maybe not for all as I'm sure you have some believers. Wonderful.

Carry on.

I can't comment on "disciplined" baccarat play as an AP play anymore than I can comment on the guy using a voodoo doll and making the same AP baccarat claim.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:37:16 PM permalink
Some people, you just can't reach!

TDVegas, and DarkO: You should just stick to what you know, whatever that might be. Neither of you are showing me much, other than that you're obsessed with MDawg. As far as TD I took a quick look and he has posted more times in my thread than anywhere else! Thank you.
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:38:38 PM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

I can't comment on "disciplined" baccarat play as an AP play anymore than I can comment on the guy using a voodoo doll and making the same AP baccarat claim.



Has MDawg ever made an AP baccarat claim, any claim to play baccarat with a mathematical advantage?
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:41:59 PM permalink
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Has MDawg ever made an AP baccarat claim, any claim to play baccarat with a mathematical advantage?



He has explained to us that “quitting while ahead”, and “riding streaks”, are the methods he uses to win , not just for a session, but for a lifetime.

Ironically , he would be better off just saying he never loses and not explaining how. At least then it leaves open the possibility that it’s edge sorting, or a crooked dealer is on it, or some form of cheating... and while everyone could still call it b.s. , there would be some viable theories of how it could be happening.

It’s when he gives his specific methods, that it’s then all exposed as a fraud. Some people hate to accept they can’t beat something , hate to acknowledge that something they enjoy doing is costing them. Anonymous message boards are a great place to talk about having an ability you wish you had. And that’s fine, if it makes someone feel better to say they never lose in baccarat or trading, or that they can fly, or make themselves invisible , or have psychic powers.. let them do it.

To me, it’s the people who hear the winning methods and still believe it , who we really learn the most about in these threads
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March 24th, 2020 at 3:54:06 PM permalink
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He has explained to us that “quitting while ahead”, and “riding streaks”, are the methods he uses to win , not just for a session, but for a lifetime.



Is there another way to win besides "quitting while ahead" ?
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:04:20 PM permalink
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Is there another way to win besides "quitting while ahead" ?



Firstly, using the phrase “another way to win” implies that you had already named one way to win. If so, I mustve missed it

What’s the difference between stopping when you’re ahead and coming back a month later .. vs stopping when you’re ahead and walking a lap around the casino and then starting again?
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:22:22 PM permalink
Coach, you have the patience of Job, which, incidentally is a trait that a successful gambler must have.

But, you're not going to get anywhere with some of these guys. It is apparently INCOMPREHENSIBLE first of all to some of them that anyone could post the truth on the internet. The world I come from, is not filled with liars and losers (which is apparently what some of them are accusing me of being, a liar and a casino loser), so when someone tells me something, or tells me that he has for example won at a casino, my first assumption is that it is the truth. My peer group is filled with people who tell the truth and win (are successful).

Secondly, it is an ALIEN concept to me that anyone would waste time posting fabrications for any length of time, let alone two years. This concept, clearly, is NOT alien to some of these guys. Why it would seem be second nature to some of them, to post lies, I couldn't tell you. Perhaps you could spend some time trying to figure that out, because you're not going to get anywhere with them before we establish what it is, at their core, that makes them so quick to assume that others are lying.

Is it because they are jealous?

Is it because they feel threatened?

Why is it?

Why does a human being not just wish another well and instead hope for a train wreck, or hope that it can't be true that another is simply successful at something? This is not normal behavior in the people I surround myself with in real life.
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:40:55 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

Firstly, using the phrase “another way to win” implies that you had already named one way to win. If so, I mustve missed it



I was asking if there was another way to win besides quitting while ahead.

Can a player win for any period of time (session) without quitting while ahead to conclude the session?

Quote: michael99000

What’s the difference between stopping when you’re ahead and coming back a month later .. vs stopping when you’re ahead and walking a lap around the casino and then starting again?



There's a great deal of difference in time between the 2 scenarios, unless the lap takes a month to complete.

So that's a difference, is there another difference that could matter more or less?

Above you mentioned winning for a session, implying that there exists a period of gaming time that the player could define as a session...a period of time, a number of hands, or whatever the player may define as his session.

Can a player win for his session without quitting while ahead?
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:50:30 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

Secondly, it is an ALIEN concept to me that anyone would waste time posting fabrications for any length of time, let alone two years. This concept, clearly, is NOT alien to some of these guys. Why it would seem be second nature to some of them, to post lies, I couldn't tell you.e


It's a top 10 reason to justify gambling...."I'm not gambling, I'm winning".

Justifies being a gambler and spending what might be more time AND money in a casino than it should be. A lot of people can't admit that gambling is entertainment and it has a money cost. They need to think there's more to it...money, generally to justify their gambling habit.

This isn't new stuff.

Carry on with your thread.
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:52:05 PM permalink
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he would be better off just saying he never loses and not explaining how.

It’s when he gives his specific methods, that it’s then all exposed as a fraud.



I don't think he would be "better off"...better off in what respect?

When you assert fraud, you're accusing the member of being deceptive...not truthful.

Is there any documentation that MDawg could post that could verify that his trip reports are truthful and accurate?
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March 24th, 2020 at 4:58:03 PM permalink
TD: Again, that's YOUR world not mine. Reading between the lines: are you saying that you lose and have to lie about it. If so, so be it, that's you, not me.

I don't lose in the first place.

But even the high rollers I know, that have lost or are losing a ton just flat out admit it to me. My friend who lives at Encore (well, lived, it's closed now) he'd tell me all the time, straight up, that he was "broke." (Of course broke for him, meant under five grand.) My friend that I was trying to help win, she admitted that she lost all but the one trip where she booked $14K. The guys I know in the Bacc. pit, when they're bust they just admit it.

I really don't know where you hang, but if it is where people lie all the time, it is not in my world TDVegas. Perhaps you should consider moving to MDawg's side. The grass is definitely greener. And more veracious.

Actually I went back and re-read TD Vegas' posts. Maybe all he is saying is that there is no way to know definitively if anything is true. Some sort of nihilism? I can respect that. But, given all I have posted in the way of evidence and the CONSISTENCY of it, stretched out over a long period of time, if I were on the other side reading this, I'd accept it as far more likely to be true than not.

I think what it comes down to is that some of you really don't know what you are talking about, do you? Just spouting theory, endlessly.



What's astonishing is that we got from posting indisputable videos of Win statements, that corroborate exact claimed wins from two years of posts, to a few diehard naysayers still spouting theory. If MDawg is brilliant enough to post his story consistently with no contradictions, for THAT long, with each subsequent piece of evidence corroborating the prior seamlessly, and STILL be a liar, then I would think that winning at casinos would be child's play for him.

Or maybe...he's simply reporting the truth, as it happens.
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March 24th, 2020 at 5:46:53 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

I don't think he would be "better off"...better off in what respect?

When you assert fraud, you're accusing the member of being deceptive...not truthful.

Is there any documentation that MDawg could post that could verify that his trip reports are truthful and accurate?

Certainly not win loss statements since that stuff can be manipulated(one could do the opposite of rat holeing). He could be cherry picking certain casinos that have a win and not including the ones that have a loss. He could be betting opposites with a friend and then only showing us the accounts that win and leaving out the accounts that lose between him and his partner, meanwhile giving up the Commission/VIG/HA.
This could explain the comps.

I'm not accusing him of doing this, I'm just saying can easily be done. Why would anybody do this? I don't know, if he's getting comps it might be worth it to him. Why do guys pretend to light $10,000 on fire and various other crazy bulsh*t things, like witnessing 18 years in a row, making up various other stories like five single line Royals in a day?
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March 24th, 2020 at 5:51:49 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Is there any documentation that MDawg could post that could verify that his trip reports are truthful and accurate?



Quote: AxelWolf

Certainly not win loss statements



Then what?

My question remains unanswered...is there any?
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March 24th, 2020 at 5:57:47 PM permalink
There is no way to win other than quitting while ahead.

I mean if you don't end the session ahead, how may you win?
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March 24th, 2020 at 5:57:54 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

Then what?

My question remains unanswered...is there any?



The methods he describes don't work

Is there any documentation that can convince you I have successfully built a perpetual motion machine?

Hint: if I did show such paperwork it's 100% certain the documents are falsified
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:02:21 PM permalink
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He could be betting opposites with a friend and then only showing us the accounts that win and leaving out the accounts that lose between him and his partner, meanwhile giving up the Commission/VIG/HA.



Is this realistic? Wouldn't the casino notice that this opposite-betting was going on?
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:05:59 PM permalink
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The methods he describes don't work



MDawg posted photos of shoes that he played, and explained how he played them.

Why could that not have worked as he reported?
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:08:00 PM permalink
Axel, as far as getting an independent host, I don't know. I have never fired a host. Actually in 2018, when I played minimally, after he comp'ed us in the large T.I. suite (this was the trip when he tried to reverse some of the food charges on us at the end of the trip) and I won a couple thousand, my T.I. host pretty much disappeared on me - "fired" me. Then when I went back in 2019 and clocked them for mid five figures all of a sudden I was invited to the next golf tournament to stay in their largest suite and my host reappeared like Tor Johnson jumping out of the grave in Plan 9 from Outer Space. Actually, just exactly like that, not so much jumping but having to be helped out of the hole just like fat Tor.

Some of the stuff I'm reading is just incredible. I don't want to be condescending, but these various theories of "maybe MDawg did this" are not coming from anyone who has been around table game high roller play much. Very far fetched.

Keep in mind also that we're on lock down quarantine and where I am, as far as what I am posting these last days. It is all mine on my computer at my house. And it backs up very consistently my exact story that I have been posting for two years.

You know what, just forget it for now. If my audience is going to post such silly contrarian notions as I am reading today, this is truly like trying to describe what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never seen it.

At least the spouting of theory is something, but some of these other "what ifs" are absurd.

Will return later. I've done what was requested of me by posting the rest of the Wins.
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:21:42 PM permalink
Quote: coachbelly

MDawg posted photos of shoes that he played, and explained how he played them.

Why could that not have worked as he reported?



I'm not gonna keep repeating the answer

It could not work because it's mathematically unsound

It's no different than if I told you I had a gas tank that operated solely on Reese's pieces and showed pictures of a car driving down the highway and receipts for Reese's pieces purchases.

It might look convincing but if you know for a fact cars don't run on Reese's pieces you simply won't buy the claim.
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:32:19 PM permalink
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Is this realistic? Wouldn't the casino notice that this opposite-betting was going on?

Some casinos might care, some might not. You could certainly disguise it somewhat. It doesn't really matter if your opposite betting or not, the casino still going to make the same amount of money. What if people are just happened to be betting the opposite that aren't related to each other in any way? Some People always like to bet player and some people always like to bet Banker.

I've known guys that have gotten away with it while playing with an advantage.
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:36:50 PM permalink
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Axel, as far as getting an independent host, I don't know. I have never fired a host. Actually in 2018, when I played minimally, after he comp'ed us in the large T.I. suite (this was the trip when he tried to reverse some of the food charges on us at the end of the trip) and I won a couple thousand, my T.I. host pretty much disappeared on me - "fired" me. Then when I went back in 2019 and clocked them for mid five figures all of a sudden I was invited to the next golf tournament to stay in their largest suite and my host reappeared like Tor Johnson jumping out of the grave in Plan 9 from Outer Space. Actually, just exactly like that, not so much jumping but having to be helped out of the hole just like fat Tor.

Some of the stuff I'm reading is just incredible. I don't want to be condescending, but these various theories of "maybe MDawg did this" are not coming from anyone who has been around table game high roller play much. Very far fetched.

Keep in mind also that we're on lock down quarantine and where I am, as far as what I am posting these last days. It is all mine on my computer at my house. And it backs up very consistently my exact story that I have been posting for two years.

You know what, just forget it for now. If my audience is going to post such silly contrarian notions as I am reading today, this is truly like trying to describe what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never seen it.

At least the spouting of theory is something, but some of these other "what ifs" are absurd.

Will return later. I've done what was requested of me by posting the rest of the Wins.

It's not that far-fetched we've seen it before and we'll see it again. The stories I mentioned above like the guy pretending a light $10,000 on fire (or however much it was, I can't remember but I do believe he's in jail right now) and the other stories are two accounts of what others would have us believe. If I recall correctly we had a guy on this form claiming he had a system that worked betting opposites on Baccarat for some crazy thing like that. Some people will go to Great Lengths and do anything to make others believe something that's not true.
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:37:36 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

It could not work because it's mathematically unsound



You're not correct regarding the shoes that MDawg showed, and his recollection of how he played them.

Analyze the shoes that MDawg showed and try to explain why he could not have won playing those shoes.

Why concoct scenarios about cars that run on candy, and assert that's no different than examining actual baccarat play?
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:48:29 PM permalink
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You're not correct regarding the shoes that MDawg showed, and his recollection of how he played them.

Analyze the shoes that MDawg showed and try to explain why he could not have won playing those shoes.

Why concoct scenarios about cars that run on candy, and assert that's no different than examining actual baccarat play?



Garbage in, garbage out.

No point in analyzing garbage.

The data is incorrect. Baccarat is a -ev game. It doesn't have to be proven unbeatable because it already has (notwithstanding any AP methods but MDawg claims to not use anything other than luck and intuition)
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March 24th, 2020 at 6:52:02 PM permalink
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You're not correct regarding the shoes that MDawg showed, and his recollection of how he played them.



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