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September 4th, 2018 at 10:47:55 AM permalink
I been playing roulette for some time now. Many fake winning roulette system for sale but all do not win in the end. 

Seen that Balvinder Sambhi been banned again from casino for winning.

hes plays roulette. I did some research and Balvinders playing 
only 1 number betting now.

saying that he doubles his bankroll.

I seen his two corner system and done a win loss and it wins long term. but playing 10 cents betting. so its small wins.


His new system needs $300-1000,10,000 dollars starting bank roll
betting $1 dollar chips.  to make back double the staring bankroll.

Does anyone have this balvinders new system? can they share with me?
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:09:06 AM permalink
I have it, but I will never share.
I got a plan, we take all your picks we reverse them like one of those twilight zone episodes where everything is the opposite. You say "black" we go white.
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:13:36 AM permalink
Quote: madz


Does anyone have this balvinders new system? can they share with me?



His "systems" are just martingales. At least the ones I've seen.
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September 4th, 2018 at 11:38:53 AM permalink
Quote: madz

I been playing roulette for some time now. Many fake winning roulette system for sale but all do not win in the end. 

Seen that Balvinder Sambhi been banned again from casino for winning.

hes plays roulette. I did some research and Balvinders playing 
only 1 number betting now.

saying that he doubles his bankroll.

I seen his two corner system and done a win loss and it wins long term. but playing 10 cents betting. so its small wins.


His new system needs $300-1000,10,000 dollars starting bank roll
betting $1 dollar chips.  to make back double the staring bankroll.

Does anyone have this balvinders new system? can they share with me?



Here is just one comment made about this guy and his systems

Jimmy says:
Rating:
0.5
I bought this system after reading a news article about xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx winning lots in a casino and being banned. The system is a scam I assume the newspapers just wanted to print a sensationalist rubbish article. The system is a basic martingale where you increase bets after losing. He got lucky with a big win is all.

Balvinder’s systems are free all over the internet because he scammed so many people.

I suggest the Mods edit the name out so people dont go searching for his name out of curiosity and then get sucked in.

On second thought, who cares, we need casinos to stay in business.
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September 8th, 2018 at 1:49:18 PM permalink
gday tiger, i think you do not know balvinders old system. how can you bet 28 martingales bets? under the table maximum limits? 
i think you do not have his system Balvinders system uses 28 betting spins to win. Martingale systems always lose Balvinders systems 
use different progessive betting to always win. Balvinder was banned using this 28 betting spin system in England casinos.

you can not bet 28 martingale bets in no casino in the world. Most have 5 dollars to 5000 dollars maximum. tiger please explain to me 
how to place 28 martingale bets and which casino i can bet from 5 dollars to 671,088,640 dollars on any even bet? to win just 5 dollars?
I think you need to read balvinders book again as you do not understand his 2 corner system. 

Balvinder new banned system only uses from 300 dollars to win 300 dollars per playing session
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September 8th, 2018 at 1:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: madz

gday tiger, i think you do not know balvinders old system. how can you bet 28 martingales bets? under the table maximum limits? 
i think you do not have his system Balvinders system uses 28 betting spins to win. Martingale systems always lose Balvinders systems 
use different progessive betting to always win. Balvinder was banned using this 28 betting spin system in England casinos.

you can not bet 28 martingale bets in no casino in the world. Most have 5 dollars to 5000 dollars maximum. tiger please explain to me 
how to place 28 martingale bets and which casino i can bet from 5 dollars to 671,088,640 dollars on any even bet? to win just 5 dollars?
I think you need to read balvinders book again as you do not understand his 2 corner system. 

Balvinder new banned system only uses from 300 dollars to win 300 dollars per playing session



He gets 28 bets by starting at 10 pence and not full martingaling. The system is available for free here (https://www.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/). There’s nothing to “understand.”
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September 8th, 2018 at 2:14:16 PM permalink
Quote: madz

how to place 28 martingale bets and which casino i can bet from 5 dollars to 671,088,640 dollars on any even bet? to win just 5 dollars?
I think you need to read balvinders book again as you do not understand his 2 corner system. 



I think you should take your own advice and read his book again, because he doesn't advocate martingaling on 28 bets in a row.
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September 8th, 2018 at 2:46:06 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

He gets 28 bets by starting at 10 pence and not full martingaling. The system is available for free here (https://www.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/). There’s nothing to “understand.”

Link already 404’s. You can search the site to read the comments that trash his system.
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September 8th, 2018 at 2:52:20 PM permalink
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowly

Link already 404’s. You can search the site to read the comments that trash his system.



I think I accidentally picked up the closing parenthesis in the hyperlink. This should work: https://www.roulettestrategyreviews.com/balvinder-sambhi-roulette-system/
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September 9th, 2018 at 4:15:52 AM permalink
You do not have a clue how to win tiger. Balvinder clearly says wait for losing spins then bet untill you get a win. This is betting upto
28 spins or untill you win. This is how Balvinder was banned from uk casinos around 9 years ago. Balvinder now is banned again from another casinos for playing his new one number betting roulette system. I dont need advice from any losing players just trying to find his one number winning roulette system now. i just want to double my money every day as balvinder has done and was banned again.
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September 9th, 2018 at 5:15:11 AM permalink
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. i just want to double my money every day as balvinder has done and was banned again.



Thanks for giving me a LOL moment! You were banned from a casino because of your system play ROULETTE?

I THINK NOT!!!!!!!!
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September 9th, 2018 at 5:24:54 AM permalink
Balvinder Sambhi - Online Roulette Guide is an article about Sambhi and his betting systems. His being banned from Grosvenor Casinos is also discussed. Notably, a letter from the casino is presented but the reason for the ban is not given. He claims the reason is he has a winning system. Perhaps the reason was he was hawking his systems to other players.

The site has some entertaining information about roulette for those who like the game.
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September 9th, 2018 at 6:23:31 AM permalink
Balvinder was banned from Grosvenor casino in 2009. if you read article the casino were contacted and refused to answer.
if was selling his systems they would have said so.
Then balvinder was banned again in may from different casinos have again the casino refused to comment
Refused to comment on both occassions is not luck, balvinder won and casinos cant not break his systems
so they banned from entering there casinos so he could not enter to win every day.
only balvinder has been in the news twice for winning roulette and the casinos dont like every day winners.
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September 9th, 2018 at 6:56:50 AM permalink
We know its not a straight martingale since that cant happen for 28 spins. But betting on one number you dont need to at a 35:1 payoff with single zero lower house edge as well

Just make 7 flat bets and then raise your wager

Another 7 flat and raise

Etc

Thats not gonna beat house edge and I doubt that would get you banned from the casino
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September 9th, 2018 at 7:00:06 AM permalink
Quote: madz

Balvinder was banned from Grosvenor casino in 2009. if you read article the casino were contacted and refused to answer.
if was selling his systems they would have said so.
Then balvinder was banned again in may from different casinos have again the casino refused to comment
Refused to comment on both occassions is not luck, balvinder won and casinos cant not break his systems
so they banned from entering there casinos so he could not enter to win every day.
only balvinder has been in the news twice for winning roulette and the casinos dont like every day winners.



Why would the casinos open themselves up to liability or lawsuits by detailing their reasons for the ban in public? They all reserve the right to not allow someone to play for no reason at all.

It's a huge, I mean HUGE, leap of credulity to believe he was banned for winning. Of course he's going to make that claim, perhaps even relying on the casino not releasing details. In the absence of opposing information, people will allow themselves to believe what they hear.

Don't buy into it. He's selling a system for a game in which every bet is a losing bet, and there's no possible way to combine them consistently or repeatably into a win . He's selling Gambler's Fallacy. It doesn't matter what the last spin was on roulette: each spin is an independent event.

He makes his money, not by playing his system, but by selling it to others. That right there should stop you cold. Heck, for all you know, he self-excluded!
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September 9th, 2018 at 7:09:05 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Why would the casinos open themselves up to liability or lawsuits by detailing their reasons for the ban in public? They all reserve the right to not allow someone to play for no reason at all.

It's a huge, I mean HUGE, leap of credulity to believe he was banned for winning. Of course he's going to make that claim, perhaps even relying on the casino not releasing details. In the absence of opposing information, people will allow themselves to believe what they hear.

Don't buy into it. He's selling a system for a game in which every bet is a losing bet, and there's no possible way to combine them consistently or repeatably into a win . He's selling Gambler's Fallacy. It doesn't matter what the last spin was on roulette: each spin is an independent event.

He makes his money, not by playing his system, but by selling it to others. That right there should stop you cold. Heck, for all you know, he self-excluded!

Exactly!

If there was a winning system for roulette, casinos would change the game. As they did for blackjack. Banning a person who knows a winning system would not solve the basic problem for the casino, especially since the so-called winning system is being sold. And, as is said of all system sellers, if it works, why aren't they rich and why would they sell the secret?

madz ?= Balvinder Sambhi
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September 9th, 2018 at 8:27:16 AM permalink
Quote: madz

 

Seen that Balvinder Sambhi been banned again from casino for winning.

AxelWolf's roulette system is much better than Balvinder Sambhi's. My system will give you the same results as his, however, you will NOT get banned from the casinos using the AxelWolf system. With my system, the casinos will welcome you will open arms and treat you like a VIP. This can include free shows and events, free meals at fancy restaurants, fancy wine and champagne, free limo rides, free high roller suites, free entries into various tournaments, free play, free bets and much much more(no fancy burn victim mask needed ).

You have to ask yourself, would you rather use the BS system and get banned or use the AW system and be a VIP?
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September 9th, 2018 at 8:42:25 AM permalink
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i just want to double my money every day.



Smart move keeping your goals realistic. You’ll stay under the radar that way
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September 9th, 2018 at 8:52:46 AM permalink
if betting 7 flat bets then raise 7 flat bets on and on. this does not work as we all know or you would be playing this yourself oz.
are you from oz? im in Sidney maybe we are close by? as i have said before i dont need advice from losing players the ultimate gamblers fallacy.
if someone can show me how to play one number and win double their money every day with 300 dollars then show me?
you cant!
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September 9th, 2018 at 9:48:03 AM permalink
Quote: madz

if betting 7 flat bets then raise 7 flat bets on and on. this does not work as we all know or you would be playing this yourself oz.
are you from oz? im in Sidney maybe we are close by? as i have said before i dont need advice from losing players the ultimate gamblers fallacy.
if someone can show me how to play one number and win double their money every day with 300 dollars then show me?
you cant!

And neither can you.
Madz, I don't know your motive for promoting this (losing) system here. Maybe you are Mr BS or maybe you are an associate or fan of his.
His system can, at best, make playing more exciting. It cannot and will not double your money every day consistently.

I'm going to warn you now, in a friendly way... Don't try to promote his system here as you will find it's not well received. Far, far better use of your time would be to go and exploit his system by playing it for your own real money. It won't take you long to discover what a bad idea it is for yourself: something that you seem quite deaf to.

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September 9th, 2018 at 10:47:13 AM permalink
Quote: madz

if betting 7 flat bets then raise 7 flat bets on and on. this does not work as we all know or you would be playing this yourself oz.
are you from oz? im in Sidney maybe we are close by? as i have said before i dont need advice from losing players the ultimate gamblers fallacy.
if someone can show me how to play one number and win double their money every day with 300 dollars then show me?
you cant!



If you read the entire post you would see I state that it wont work

I was pointing out a martingale of 28 wagers is not possible which you and I both agree with.

However you could easily do a limited martingale and still profit since the payout for one number is 35:1.
I.E. you dont have to raise EVERY wager. Just every 7. Or every 4. I picked those simply because you stated 28 spins so those numbers make it easy

Over the short term like any martingale the system will work. But long term no

Neither will this samhedi or samhain or whatever his name is guy

P.S. there a few players on this site that consistently win using SOUND gambling moves. I am one of them. We are not the losers

P.P.S. My Oz is located over the rainbow so sorry we arent neighbors
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September 9th, 2018 at 12:06:40 PM permalink
The system doesn't work. The clown was not banned for having a winning system. If he's even banned from anywhere, it could be for many other reasons. You could get banned from here, but it doesn't mean you were the best poster. It could just be that you keep creating the same posts, then people tell you your information is wrong and you get angry and lash out.

Listen to what everyone is saying. It doesn't work. Find something else to do with your time.


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September 9th, 2018 at 1:08:42 PM permalink
Quote: madz

Does anyone have this balvinders new system? can they share with me?



If you wait long enough, it will show up in this junk pile with rest of them.
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September 9th, 2018 at 7:58:32 PM permalink
i stole tanko's post and reposted it elsewhere
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September 9th, 2018 at 9:10:31 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

The system doesn't work. The clown was not banned for having a winning system. If he's even banned from anywhere, it could be for many other reasons. You could get banned from here, but it doesn't mean you were the best poster. It could just be that you keep creating the same posts, then people tell you your information is wrong and you get angry and lash out.

Listen to what everyone is saying. It doesn't work. Find something else to do with your time.


ZCore13



you're just mad you aren't hydrated enough and have positive vibes
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September 10th, 2018 at 3:11:08 AM permalink
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you're just mad you aren't hydrated enough and have positive vibes




you're not going to be talking so tough if you find out that Bavinder's system includes hit 'n run. then what are you going to say?
you're going to get real quiet, aren't you. (-:}
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September 10th, 2018 at 7:56:15 AM permalink
Quote: madz

i just want to double my money every day as balvinder has done and was banned again.



Then don't play roulette. It is mathematically impossible to beat in the long run. There is literally no way to overcome the house edge in roulette in any casino in the known universe. Period. End of story.

Balvinder does not have a system to beat roulette. Move on to VP or BJ if you want to beat the house.
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September 10th, 2018 at 6:03:02 PM permalink
Very few players know his new 1 number betting system. its 1 number hit and finish with double up everytime.
How can you comment if you dont know his system? becuase you lose as other gamblers here tiger.
gamblers cant handle the truth that a Balvinder has beaten Roulette on a perfect wheel.
With only 300 units can double up to 600 units per winning session.
all casino games have house edge bj and roulette both games have been beaten long term.
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September 10th, 2018 at 6:14:45 PM permalink
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I'm going to warn you now, in a friendly way... Don't try to promote his system here as you will find it's not well received.



Thank you. I was about to issue the same warning. I suspect madz is a paid stooge to promote another worthless betting system, but will give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.
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September 10th, 2018 at 6:36:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thank you. I was about to issue the same warning. I suspect madz is a paid stooge to promote another worthless betting system, but will give him the benefit of the doubt, for now.



It seems obvious he is now.


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September 11th, 2018 at 5:40:13 AM permalink
if you think you can beat roulette then post your not winning system on here with 300 units bankroll.
i have 500,000 live roulette spins i can test to see if any system wins or losses. Now which players will take my challange?
none! because you gamblers cant beat roulette as balivnder does every day. (balvinder shows live demonstration in live casino his systems win).
can you gamblers do the same as balvinder?
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September 11th, 2018 at 5:47:17 AM permalink
I find it interesting and not coincidental that this guy's initials are BS.

Madz.. time to go...
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September 11th, 2018 at 5:48:50 AM permalink
How does he show live demonstrations in a casino if he’s been banned?
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September 11th, 2018 at 6:39:41 AM permalink
Quote: madz

balvinder shows live demonstration in live casino his systems win).



I've had enough. You're gone.
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September 11th, 2018 at 6:45:39 AM permalink
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I've had enough. You're gone.

Oh, just wonderful! First, we were denied Nathans lottery picks and now this. Now I'm left with begging WMW for his craps system.
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September 11th, 2018 at 7:52:28 AM permalink
Quote: madz

Very few players know his new 1 number betting system. its 1 number hit and finish with double up everytime.
How can you comment if you dont know his system?



I can comment because a 1 number bet in double zero roulette has a 5.26% house edge and single zero roulette has a 2.7% house edge. Balvinder can not overcome that house edge. The math is immutable.

I see you've been banned, though, so I hope you enjoyed your stay.
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September 11th, 2018 at 8:26:28 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I've had enough. You're gone.



Damn, missed by 2 days. Here's my prediction from September 4th when Madz first appeared.


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September 11th, 2018 at 10:55:14 AM permalink
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Damn, missed by 2 days.



Still, a pretty good line. I might have nuked him when I first warned him, but I'm still riding a good mood from Burning Man.
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September 11th, 2018 at 11:27:51 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Damn, missed by 2 days. Here's my prediction from September 4th when Madz first appeared.


ZCore13

Good call.

If he didn't get himself suspended, you'd have been just about spot-on!
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September 11th, 2018 at 12:55:57 PM permalink
It’s long since established that the only successful roullete system out there is EvenBobs.
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September 11th, 2018 at 9:13:16 PM permalink
not sure why you guys always carry these threads to the multi page level and force the wiz to do something....just ignore these buffoons.
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September 12th, 2018 at 8:01:48 AM permalink
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It’s long since established that the only successful roullete system out there is EvenBobs.



Is that the system where you bet on black once, then complain about it for the next eight years?
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September 12th, 2018 at 10:10:14 AM permalink
Philosophical question, someone says they witnessed 30 BJ losses in a row and no one believes it. Someone claims they have a martingale system of waiting for 20 reds in a row and then martingaling on red the next 10 times, and they are told they will inevitably go broke. So let’s assume said player implements said roulette “system” and inevitably goes broke then comes to WOV to complain about it. Would anyone believe they actually went broke?
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September 12th, 2018 at 10:32:53 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Philosophical question, someone says they witnessed 30 BJ losses in a row and no one believes it. Someone claims they have a martingale system of waiting for 20 reds in a row and then martingaling on red the next 10 times, and they are told they will inevitably go broke. So let’s assume said player implements said roulette “system” and inevitably goes broke then comes to WOV to complain about it. Would anyone believe they actually went broke?



So red comes up 20 times in a row, the player starts martingaling on red, but black comes up the next 10 times and the player loses everything?
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September 12th, 2018 at 10:39:51 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Philosophical question, someone says they witnessed 30 BJ losses in a row and no one believes it. Someone claims they have a martingale system of waiting for 20 reds in a row and then martingaling on red the next 10 times, and they are told they will inevitably go broke. So let’s assume said player implements said roulette “system” and inevitably goes broke then comes to WOV to complain about it. Would anyone believe they actually went broke?



I wouldn't. I take most information acquired via social websites with a serious grain of salt.


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September 12th, 2018 at 10:54:23 AM permalink
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So red comes up 20 times in a row, the player starts martingaling on red, but black comes up the next 10 times and the player loses everything?

Correct.
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September 12th, 2018 at 11:10:41 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Correct.



I guess that's plausible? Kind of statistically out there, but still possible, I guess. Somebody smarter than me can probably do the math on a run of 20 reds + 10 blacks.
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September 12th, 2018 at 11:45:15 AM permalink
Quote: unJon

Philosophical question, someone says they witnessed 30 BJ losses in a row and no one believes it. Someone claims they have a martingale system of waiting for 20 reds in a row and then martingaling on red the next 10 times, and they are told they will inevitably go broke. So let’s assume said player implements said roulette “system” and inevitably goes broke then comes to WOV to complain about it. Would anyone believe they actually went broke?



One thing you rarely see on this or any gambling forum, is people posting about how they went broke playing a system.
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September 12th, 2018 at 12:40:56 PM permalink
Quote: unJon

Philosophical question, someone says they witnessed 30 BJ losses in a row and no one believes it. Someone claims they have a martingale system of waiting for 20 reds in a row and then martingaling on red the next 10 times, and they are told they will inevitably go broke. So let’s assume said player implements said roulette “system” and inevitably goes broke then comes to WOV to complain about it. Would anyone believe they actually went broke?

I refuse to believe it because I would think it's probably total nonsense that they actually sat there and waited for 20 reds in a row in the first place.
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September 12th, 2018 at 12:46:34 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

One thing you rarely see on this or any gambling forum, is people posting about how they went broke playing a system.



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