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Playinnow
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:12:15 PM permalink
I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?

Thanks still looking for the advantage.
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:25:45 PM permalink
There is no advantage playing dice based craps. Period.

As a money management tool, I usually stop betting don't and don't come after a shooter takes down 3 of my bets with odds. (I don't count come out bets). I never switch, just wait for next shooter.

This does not give any advantage. Just gives me a little longer at the table.
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:31:22 PM permalink
Try this link to "Dave's System" Good read. Good system. He doesn't throw. But he has been 86'd by one casino for winning too much!
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US708&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=685&q=%22Dave%27s+System%22&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM7rjQ-r_RAhXDPCYKHTmhARMQvwUIFygA
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Playinnow
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January 13th, 2017 at 12:32:38 PM permalink
Thanks Wrongway I need to add this to how I am playing, I suspected those who have tried the systems would have good feedback on when to stop and live to play another day.
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January 13th, 2017 at 1:44:52 PM permalink
Quote: DeMango

Try ... "Dave's System" Good read. Good system. He doesn't throw. But he has been 86'd by one casino for winning too much!


DeMan,

Many thanx for sharing. If any "system" can go toe-to-toe against the casino, Dave's System shaves the casino edge to about as close to zero as one can get.

When I play craps, I often favor playing the Don't bets. But, I also like the shared camaraderie by betting with everyone when the table is hot. So, rather than do either, I usually do neither. But, I wonder why everyone doesn't shoot from the Don't side and crush the casino.

As for yourself, do you favor playing one side or the other? Or, are you a true craps agnostic?
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January 13th, 2017 at 2:19:25 PM permalink
Quote: Playinnow

I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?

Thanks still looking for the advantage.



Good luck on this forum with talking about a 'hot table' ! lol
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DeMango
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January 14th, 2017 at 2:21:25 AM permalink
Quote: LuckyPhow


As for yourself, do you favor playing one side or the other? Or, are you a true craps agnostic?



I need to shoot from the don't, it's the way to go.

5 years ago I was at an IP table and someone was playing "Dave's System" I, of course, asked him if he was dave. He said no, but "Bobby Bones" has become my best craps buddy. He needs to shoot from the don't also. We will get there.
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January 14th, 2017 at 4:54:19 AM permalink
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I need to shoot from the don't, it's the way to go.

I often think so. I like it when the stick says "From the Don't, hoping they won't" and some people walk away from the table or quite obviously groan.
I had been on the Don't for about twenty minutes when the dice came to me and one young girl was utterly shocked that I stayed on the Don't when I was the shooter.

Now I will admit.... between Do and Don't it ain't much ... you gotta take it out to four decimal places, so it sure isn't much of an advantage. And since I generally tip well, hence the 'stiff' part of my moniker, that four-decimal-place "edge" sure disappears. I also tend to reward the Tray Lizard to compensate for the calouses on her feet, so any "edge" disappears there too.

But I sure do like the Don'ts. I feel like I'm betting with the Casino... and that is surely as close I will ever get to owning a casino.

Don't Pass then two Don't Come but also Place the Six and Eight. All Line Bets get Odds asap. Odds are always "working". Dealers are in the game on my first bet and dealers get shoes too.
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March 30th, 2018 at 12:54:16 AM permalink
Quote: Playinnow

I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?

Thanks still looking for the advantage.



I see quite a few scenario's from people betting both sides.
First off if you went to the casino and the craps table min was $15 (Too rich for some people)
You can bet $15 on the DP and $15 on the Pass then bet 5.00 for odds in behind either DP or Pass ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet.

Second, DC/COME is good because you can bet $15 on the DC and $15 on the COME then bet 5.00 for odds on the come bet ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
If you think about it if you place the 6 or 8 for 6.00 pays 7 to 6 odds winning $1.00 extra but you have an extra $1.00 at risk when placing.
By betting both DC and PASS, you only put $5.00 on the COME odds and still make $1.00 but that $1.00 you put on the 12 crap that pays 30 to 1 so you lose the COME bet, DC gets Bar, 12 craps pays $30.00 minus $15 lost on the COME bet, still makes 15 profit. That's just the 6,8. The 4,10 pay even more so you can make even on your COME odds and invest the profit in the center bets and hope for a win, After all it's free betting.

There are many advantages. You just need to look for them.
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March 30th, 2018 at 2:55:58 AM permalink
Quote: Laymedown

I see quite a few scenario's from people betting both sides.
First off if you went to the casino and the craps table min was $15 (Too rich for some people)
You can bet $15 on the DP and $15 on the Pass then bet 5.00 for odds in behind either DP or Pass ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet.

Lmdown, Do you know how many people are wondering if you are 'for real'? You produce an absolute storm of words, thousands a day just here, my God I'd get tired just talking that much, never mind having to write it. Sometimes you work on formatting too.

But what you are writing is often very misguided, full of gambler's fallacies, and just plain wrong like that last sentence. I don't think you are trying to bait people [I wondered at first] so it seems you think you are making sense. You are not! You are coming across as a Craps enthusiast who can't find anything not to like as long as it involves Craps.

This site is about smarter gambling. There is little sign that you are 'with the program'. I guess you don't have to be, but if you do all that reading etc. seems to me you might care ... it's time to not just read but to try for some comprehension too!

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I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet

Betting both sides increases the amount you are betting. The two bets *do not* cancel each other out! Each bet you make has an undefeatable EV attached to it and no negative expectation bet can cancel out another! I'm sorry but this shows you are not learning anything though presumably reading everything! You should just know these things by now [I can't use another exclamation pt. but that needs one too]

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Second, DC/COME is good because you can bet $15 on the DC and $15 on the COME then bet 5.00 for odds on the come bet ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)

Read my paragraph above again and ask yourself why you are advocating this. Have you not come across the advice not to hedge?
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If you think about it if you place the 6 or 8 for 6.00 pays 7 to 6 odds winning $1.00 extra but you have an extra $1.00 at risk when placing. By betting both DC and PASS, you only put $5.00 on the COME odds and still make $1.00 but that $1.00 you put on the 12 crap that pays 30 to 1 so you lose the COME bet, DC gets Bar, 12 craps pays $30.00 minus $15 lost on the COME bet, still makes 15 profit.

Can you really defend using words like 'profit' ?
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That's just the 6,8. The 4,10 pay even more so you can make even on your COME odds and invest the profit in the center bets and hope for a win, After all it's free betting.

Profit. Free betting. My man, you have a long ways to go. Show some evidence you are getting there.

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There are many advantages. You just need to look for them.

Very fine words. The casinos should hire you and indeed pay you by the word to go around and mislead people at these sites. You won't get suspended here for that but I for one will just have to block you and these threads even though I don't like to block Craps threads. Please get real.
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