A roulette method with teeth
September 4th, 2010 at 6:25:58 PM
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I know some will play this and I'll never hear a word from them, I accept that. Some might even rip the method AND still play it. lol This is flat betting. I use units of $15, $10 and $5 but use whatever fits your budget the best. I try and separate fact from opinion. A fact is, in 'X' number of spins, we will get a complete street hit, all 3 numbers. I do have to thank Bayes ahead of time, he helped me a bit.
Ok, on to the method >> I keep track of the last *12* numbers hit. When the next number hits, cross off the latest number, we will always be looking at the LAST 12. Any street with TWO of the numbers hit, is what we are looking for. Example: the 14 and 15 are hit within the 12 recorded. We flat bet the 13 UNTIL either a win OR until either the 14 or 15 is NOT within the 12 recorded anymore. I have done lots of testing recording the last 11, 10, 13 and 14 spins, I have found that *12* works the best. Anytime all 3 (a win) are within the 12, no more betting on that number UNTIL it drops back to two within the street.
EXAMPLE: We were betting on the 13, it hits and we have a win. Lets say a couple spins later, the 14 drops from the last 12 recorded. We NOW have the 13 and 15 hit so we bet on the 14 until either a win OR until either the 13 or 15 is NOT within 12 recorded anymore. Don't make this tougher than it is. Sometimes I over explain stuff. lol There are some spins where NO betting will take place. Now, what about multiple bets going on? This is what I do in terms of betting. 1-2 bets: I bet $15 per number, 3 bets: I bet $10 per number, 4+ bets: I bet $5 per number. It is very rare to have 4+ within 12 but you MUST have a RULE for every situation.
My BR is 3K but use what you can afford. No progression here, that should make a few happy. Its VERY common for a street to hit within a short (12) period of time. What I like about this most, we are NOT betting on semi-cold streets. My win goal is 1K, then go home. Any questions, just ask. Thanks for reading. Ken
Ok, on to the method >> I keep track of the last *12* numbers hit. When the next number hits, cross off the latest number, we will always be looking at the LAST 12. Any street with TWO of the numbers hit, is what we are looking for. Example: the 14 and 15 are hit within the 12 recorded. We flat bet the 13 UNTIL either a win OR until either the 14 or 15 is NOT within the 12 recorded anymore. I have done lots of testing recording the last 11, 10, 13 and 14 spins, I have found that *12* works the best. Anytime all 3 (a win) are within the 12, no more betting on that number UNTIL it drops back to two within the street.
EXAMPLE: We were betting on the 13, it hits and we have a win. Lets say a couple spins later, the 14 drops from the last 12 recorded. We NOW have the 13 and 15 hit so we bet on the 14 until either a win OR until either the 13 or 15 is NOT within 12 recorded anymore. Don't make this tougher than it is. Sometimes I over explain stuff. lol There are some spins where NO betting will take place. Now, what about multiple bets going on? This is what I do in terms of betting. 1-2 bets: I bet $15 per number, 3 bets: I bet $10 per number, 4+ bets: I bet $5 per number. It is very rare to have 4+ within 12 but you MUST have a RULE for every situation.
My BR is 3K but use what you can afford. No progression here, that should make a few happy. Its VERY common for a street to hit within a short (12) period of time. What I like about this most, we are NOT betting on semi-cold streets. My win goal is 1K, then go home. Any questions, just ask. Thanks for reading. Ken
September 4th, 2010 at 6:33:17 PM
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Please tell me you are at least playing single zero wheels.
September 4th, 2010 at 6:40:15 PM
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We only have 00 here. We had a 0 wheel but they took it out. lol Oh well. Ken
September 4th, 2010 at 7:32:39 PM
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Why do you feel this method will work?
September 4th, 2010 at 7:37:04 PM
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Well as long as you are not betting on 'semi cold streets' there is no way you can lose.
Unless you have an unfair wheel... why am I even trying...
Unless you have an unfair wheel... why am I even trying...
September 4th, 2010 at 7:41:50 PM
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@Keyser >> Some of that was answered. I have played this (B&M casino) 5 times and have zero losses. Yes I know, 5 is not alot. I like this method because I am not betting on semi-cold streets. A street that has not hit in a long time? No biggie, I'm not betting on any numbers in it. A street with only one hit in it? No biggie, I'm not betting on any numbers in it. Its flat betting. If things start to get 'out of control', quit. For myself, I only need TWO wins (gross) to meet my goal of 1K. Thats with betting $15 per. Ken
September 4th, 2010 at 8:52:59 PM
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Quote: mrjjjA fact is, in 'X' number of spins, we will get a complete street hit, all 3 numbers.
Not actually a fact, for ANY value of X.
Except X = infinity, but that would be a long time to play roulette...
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
September 4th, 2010 at 10:05:06 PM
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Wow..how totally amazing that no one has thought this up in the last three hundred years. An INFALLIBLE WAY to beat a game with a 5% house edge. Oh boy, I'm quitting my job tomorrow!
Aren't you afraid that a severe consequence of your post might be that the casinos will get wind of this and post armed guards at every roulette table to try to stop you from playing?
Aren't you afraid that a severe consequence of your post might be that the casinos will get wind of this and post armed guards at every roulette table to try to stop you from playing?
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 12:02:46 AM
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@mkl654321 >> Its actually 5.26% coolbreeze. If you dont like it....dont play it, problem solved. Your method of choice is what? I'll start testing it Sunday. Thanks, Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:04:46 AM
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"Not actually a fact, for ANY value of X" >>> Wrong answer, it is a fact. I can do this all day long. Your method of choice is.....? I want to start some testing on it Sunday. Thanks, Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:20:23 AM
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Quote: mrjjj"Not actually a fact, for ANY value of X" >>> Wrong answer, it is a fact. I can do this all day long. Your method of choice is.....? I want to start some testing on it Sunday. Thanks, Ken
It's horseshit, even if you say "it is a fact" "X" number of times, for any value of X up to and including infinity.
Those who have even a rudimentary understanding of mathematics, and of gambling, know that roulette CANNOT be beaten. Don't worry, though. After you go broke, I'll hire you to wash my car at nine cents an hour. Using your roulette math, that means you can earn five hundred bucks a day.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 12:22:02 AM
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Quote: mrjjj@mkl654321 >> Its actually 5.26%
If you're certain to beat it, why then, they don't really have that 5.26% edge, do they? Sounds like the player has a 100% edge. Silly us for thinking otherwise!
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 12:24:30 AM
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Been playing longer than you and have made (net) more than you (roulette), stuff that in your stockin rookie. You did NOT answer my question. How do YOU play roulette? I want to start some testing on it. It must be positive after 5 million RNG spins. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:26:15 AM
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Us? lol You're grouping yourself in with the other wannabee winners? Let me know how that works out hotshot. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:40:48 AM
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Yep....ask'em how THEY play, that'll clear a room. ROFL Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 1:55:27 AM
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"smooth" system? Maybe get back to us after 100 tries. Not asking too much is it? What does your hero John Patrick think???
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
September 5th, 2010 at 5:22:00 AM
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[snip]Quote: mrjjj
Ok, on to the method >> I keep track of the last *12* numbers hit.
Ah, another system based on past events which do not affect the current spin.
I have a better system for making money, though. Seems some African King has been deposed and needs my help to get his fortune out of the country!
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 5th, 2010 at 5:30:57 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanI have a better system for making money, though. Seems some African King has been deposed and needs my help to get his fortune out of the country!
Come now. By now everyone knows it's an African former dictator or government official. Not a king. Don't you read those scam letters? ;)
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
September 5th, 2010 at 8:07:37 AM
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"smooth" system? Maybe get back to us after 100 tries. Not asking too much is it? What does your hero John Patrick think??? >>> First off, I dont care what anybody thinks. It takes balls to post a method. Not alot of courage needed to rip on something posted. Second, I dont HIDE behind different user names, pretending to be someone else just so I can get a FRESH start. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 8:14:00 AM
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@AZDuffman >> We covered this in the past cupcake. EVERY method, in some form, looks at past numbers. I dont mean looking back at the last 200 spins. Every method, whether its a color on the previous spin or maybe only looking at ONE number but ALL look back at something. Same question for you. What is your method for playing? I would like to do some testing on it. Today and Tuesday are good, Monday I'm busy. You rip on methods but you dont post yours? There outta be a law......
September 5th, 2010 at 8:16:03 AM
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Quote: mrjjjFirst off, I dont care what anybody thinks. It takes balls to post a method. Not alot of courage needed to rip on something posted. Second, I dont HIDE behind different user names, pretending to be someone else just so I can get a FRESH start. Ken
Have all the balls you want, anyone with brains knows all roulette "systems" are snake-oil BS.
I do, however, know the only system to win at roulette. Ready?
BUY A CASINO AND OPEN A ROULETTE TABLE!
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 5th, 2010 at 8:25:27 AM
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Well doesn't 'snake oil' revolve around sales? Which I dont do. On a sidenote, you do realize why/how I continue to want you to post, right? lol Probably not. Like I said, (this is a FACT), some will play this, even if its just for dollar chips and I'll never hear from them and thats alright. How do you play or do you troll from BOARD to BOARD looking for posts to rip, out of sheer boredom? lol I win and you dont, sorry bro, them the breaks. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 8:39:06 AM
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Quote: mrjjjWell doesn't 'snake oil' revolve around sales? Which I dont do. On a sidenote, you do realize why/how I continue to want you to post, right? lol Probably not. Like I said, (this is a FACT), some will play this, even if its just for dollar chips and I'll never hear from them and thats alright. How do you play or do you troll from BOARD to BOARD looking for posts to rip, out of sheer boredom? lol I win and you dont, sorry bro, them the breaks. Ken
Was going to say something about you being discrfedited so much that you just decided to declare victory and go home, but never mind.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
September 5th, 2010 at 8:42:04 AM
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Discredited? lol Post whatever you want. I think you KNOW ME well enough that I dont care. BTW, what does this mean? >>> "We see that AZDuffman is a liar that simply repeats his lies."
September 5th, 2010 at 9:45:34 AM
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Well I've played Roulette more than 5 times, and my method doesn't seem to win, but here's what I do:
I play The corners, the pairs and the two blocks of 6 including 29. I don't play 29 itself.
Seperating fact from opinion, 29 is as good as any other and if it does hit, I have a nice coup. If it doesn't, that's roulette and I'm asking myself why I'm spending time on it (I find the wheel dull and the edge high, but sometimes I keep my friend company on the 50c wheel).
I don't know why a street is better than a column or any other 3 numbers, as most of the time the numbers in a street are not physically associated on the wheel.
Your system is as good or bad as any other, and over the long haul, me and you will have about the same Net EV. Feel free to rip my system or use it. Laugh Out Loud.
I play The corners, the pairs and the two blocks of 6 including 29. I don't play 29 itself.
Seperating fact from opinion, 29 is as good as any other and if it does hit, I have a nice coup. If it doesn't, that's roulette and I'm asking myself why I'm spending time on it (I find the wheel dull and the edge high, but sometimes I keep my friend company on the 50c wheel).
I don't know why a street is better than a column or any other 3 numbers, as most of the time the numbers in a street are not physically associated on the wheel.
Your system is as good or bad as any other, and over the long haul, me and you will have about the same Net EV. Feel free to rip my system or use it. Laugh Out Loud.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 9:51:00 AM
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Quote: mrjjjWhat I like about this most, we are NOT betting on semi-cold streets. My win goal is 1K, then go home. Any questions, just ask. Thanks for reading. Ken
This sounds like variation from: http://freeroulette.tripod.com/systems.htm
the EPOS street bet. from Ludica Roulette systems.
They have a few excel worksheets that can be downloaded showing some math behind roulette.
I have used the software Roulette Xtreme to run sims specifically using the last 14 numbers of the EPOS system.
It has been a while since I studied the roulette system, as I only used it to study the math behind roulette.
I need to do some hunting to locate my studies.
I do remember sim results that showed it did not matter if you played a "street" or any 3 numbers. But since a street is convenient it is easy to use.
My question to mrjjj:
is what type of grid do you use to instantly "see" what streets are ready to be bet and the ones that stop being bet? Seems to me to be a logistical nightmare to accomplish with paper and pencil.
In my opinion, the Wizard of Vegas forum members like to see math and how it applies. I know I do.
You seem to have only shown how to bet but have not shown the math about why you bet? Any reason for this?
Quote: mrjjjA fact is, in 'X' number of spins, we will get a complete street hit, all 3 numbers
This seems like a good math problem. Is it x = 12 there is a y% chance of a 3/38? My English is not so good asking math questions.
September 5th, 2010 at 10:17:27 AM
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Mr. J.,
I sense that you're probably still new to roulette. First off, there's nothing wrong with having a little fun once in a while playing at small units like you're doing.
I've seen where you have attempted to demonstrate that you have the edge. However, please try to understand that you can't step outside of probability by just standing on the side lines while writing the numbers.
Each spin in the random game of roulette is an independent trial. In the long run, you will lose more than you will win. The wizardofodds.com does a great job of explaining why if you'd like to read more.
-Keyser
I sense that you're probably still new to roulette. First off, there's nothing wrong with having a little fun once in a while playing at small units like you're doing.
I've seen where you have attempted to demonstrate that you have the edge. However, please try to understand that you can't step outside of probability by just standing on the side lines while writing the numbers.
Each spin in the random game of roulette is an independent trial. In the long run, you will lose more than you will win. The wizardofodds.com does a great job of explaining why if you'd like to read more.
-Keyser
September 5th, 2010 at 10:26:28 AM
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"I sense that you're probably still new to roulette" >>> Umm, well :) For THIS method, I do not like (betting) on a number within a street if the street is cold or semi-cold. We all know, a street can sleep (or ONE number hit in a street) for MANY spins. I have avoided this issue 100%. If there are two numbers hit in a street within 12 spins, its hard to say that street is cold, you would agree with that?
"In the long run, you will lose more than you will win" >>> I bought half a restaurant with my ROULETTE winnings. Luck? Yeah.....probably so. Ken
"In the long run, you will lose more than you will win" >>> I bought half a restaurant with my ROULETTE winnings. Luck? Yeah.....probably so. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 10:29:40 AM
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Well I've played Roulette more than 5 times, and my method doesn't seem to win, but here's what I do:
I play The corners, the pairs and the two blocks of 6 including 29. I don't play 29 itself.
Seperating fact from opinion, 29 is as good as any other and if it does hit, I have a nice coup. If it doesn't, that's roulette and I'm asking myself why I'm spending time on it (I find the wheel dull and the edge high, but sometimes I keep my friend company on the 50c wheel).
I don't know why a street is better than a column or any other 3 numbers, as most of the time the numbers in a street are not physically associated on the wheel.
Your system is as good or bad as any other, and over the long haul, me and you will have about the same Net EV. Feel free to rip my system or use it. Laugh Out Loud. >>>>> I dont rip methods, not my department. I said I played *THIS* method 5 times (live), not counting the countless number of hours testing. Good luck to you. Ken
I play The corners, the pairs and the two blocks of 6 including 29. I don't play 29 itself.
Seperating fact from opinion, 29 is as good as any other and if it does hit, I have a nice coup. If it doesn't, that's roulette and I'm asking myself why I'm spending time on it (I find the wheel dull and the edge high, but sometimes I keep my friend company on the 50c wheel).
I don't know why a street is better than a column or any other 3 numbers, as most of the time the numbers in a street are not physically associated on the wheel.
Your system is as good or bad as any other, and over the long haul, me and you will have about the same Net EV. Feel free to rip my system or use it. Laugh Out Loud. >>>>> I dont rip methods, not my department. I said I played *THIS* method 5 times (live), not counting the countless number of hours testing. Good luck to you. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 10:32:47 AM
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Quote: KeyserMr. J.,
I sense that you're probably still new to roulette.
-Keyser
I've seen Ken on other gambling forums since about 2006. Is that new? He's been playing for a few years. How long do you have to play for till you're not 'new' anymore?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 5th, 2010 at 10:39:39 AM
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Thank you. On the forums for around 6 years, playing for around 8.5 years, 'doing well' playing for around 3.5 years. Trial and error. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 11:14:09 AM
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You may want to reconsider your statement and add the following, "doing well because of limited play time."
I believe that you may have played over the last eight years. However, I suspect that you don't play very often.
-Keyser
I believe that you may have played over the last eight years. However, I suspect that you don't play very often.
-Keyser
September 5th, 2010 at 11:22:05 AM
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True point, what if someone only plays twice a year? Myself at the highest peak, was 3-5 times per week. Now its around 1-2 times per week, am quite busy with a business. I would ask you something but I know I'll only get a lie. Why? Because this is the world wide web. lol Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:20:34 PM
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Quote: mrjjj"I sense that you're probably still new to roulette" >>> Umm, well :) For THIS method, I do not like (betting) on a number within a street if the street is cold or semi-cold. We all know, a street can sleep (or ONE number hit in a street) for MANY spins. I have avoided this issue 100%. If there are two numbers hit in a street within 12 spins, its hard to say that street is cold, you would agree with that?
"In the long run, you will lose more than you will win" >>> I bought half a restaurant with my ROULETTE winnings. Luck? Yeah.....probably so. Ken
If you believe that prior events will have a bearing on future events, then yes, hot and cold streets matter. If you don't believe that, then hot and cold doesn't matter, that's just the appearance of a pattern where there is none.
But my opinion is that you brought your restaurant with some luck on the roulette table. But as patterns go, it's no worse than any other and better than some that rely on a progression of losing bets.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 12:31:38 PM
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I'm only half owner. Around 80% (est.) of my business buy in came from NET winnings of roulette. Also, there are no 'pattern' issues in this method. Not sure where you got that from? Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 12:39:48 PM
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The method looks at the pattern of the last 12 spins. Has a set of numbers come up or not? That's the pattern you want.
I could ask what percentage you've bet and percentage won and number of bets, but it actually doesn't matter. Either:
a) You've spotted a good system that works.
b) You've got lucky over the medium term and managed to come out well ahead.
I much prefer b over a. You may think a over b. If I could stand playing 00 roulette again, I'd use this system for a bit to mix things up. I just don't enjoy playing roulette, and as I suspect b over a, not going to try it :)
I could ask what percentage you've bet and percentage won and number of bets, but it actually doesn't matter. Either:
a) You've spotted a good system that works.
b) You've got lucky over the medium term and managed to come out well ahead.
I much prefer b over a. You may think a over b. If I could stand playing 00 roulette again, I'd use this system for a bit to mix things up. I just don't enjoy playing roulette, and as I suspect b over a, not going to try it :)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 12:49:59 PM
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Not sure I agree with your definition of a pattern but thats the least of my issues. I said it before, some reading this, will play it. No doubt about it. Thats a new thread I could start.....people that troll around looking for freebies. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 2:11:02 PM
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Quote: mrjjjNot sure I agree with your definition of a pattern but thats the least of my issues. I said it before, some reading this, will play it. No doubt about it. Thats a new thread I could start.....people that troll around looking for freebies. Ken
What would you call looking at the last 12 spins? Your looking for a pattern of results which 2 from a street in the last 12.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 2:22:57 PM
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I think you would agree there are more than one definition of a pattern? Not sure this is one but like I said, the 'wording' is not at the top of my list. If YOU want to call it a pattern, knock yourself out. I see a pattern more like this >> RR BB RR BB. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 3:09:05 PM
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Quote: mrjjjI think you would agree there are more than one definition of a pattern? Not sure this is one but like I said, the 'wording' is not at the top of my list. If YOU want to call it a pattern, knock yourself out. I see a pattern more like this >> RR BB RR BB. Ken
There are many definitions of the word "pattern", but none of those definitions describes what happens on a roulette wheel. Previous spins do NOT, repeat, do NOT influence the outcome of subsequent spins. If you think that they do--that past results influence future results--what would you say is the force behind the influence? Is the roulette wheel intelligent? Does it have a memory? Is the roulette ball actually sentient, and shows a preference for landing in one slot over another (it would also have to have little jet packs or a gyroscope so it would be able to influence the outcome, but that's no siller then its being sentient)? Or is there some great grand mysterious force that is influencing the outcome of things like dice rolls and roulette wheel spins? Maybe it's a god, and His name is Luckitron. All hail Luckitron!
If you think about it, your belief system is pretty silly.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 3:10:43 PM
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Quote: thecesspitBut my opinion is that you brought your restaurant with some luck on the roulette table.
And if that is the case, it is a virtual certainty that he will lose his restaurant the same way, and sooner rather than later. A fool and his money, etc.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 3:22:36 PM
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lol, The restaurant is a done deal. It has been for around 7 months. Thanks for the concern. Ken
September 5th, 2010 at 3:32:07 PM
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Quote: mrjjjlol, The restaurant is a done deal. It has been for around 7 months. Thanks for the concern. Ken
Line: JJJ loses his restaurant:
Over 12 months: -130
Under 12 months: +110
Line: JJJ actually has no restaurant, and lives in a 1959 Jetstream in the rear of a junkyard
Yes: -250
It's actually a Winnebago: +210
Line: JJJ actually believes what he's saying about his "system"
Yes: +600
No: -850
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
September 5th, 2010 at 3:41:54 PM
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Quote: mkl654321And if that is the case, it is a virtual certainty that he will lose his restaurant the same way, and sooner rather than later. A fool and his money, etc.
No reason why he should lose his restaurant, even if he got lucky winning it.
You seem convinced anyone who wins big gambling must naturally lose big. I don't think it does.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 3:43:37 PM
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Quote: mrjjjI think you would agree there are more than one definition of a pattern? Not sure this is one but like I said, the 'wording' is not at the top of my list. If YOU want to call it a pattern, knock yourself out. I see a pattern more like this >> RR BB RR BB. Ken
No worries, but I don't know what else you'd could call it... you are looking for a sequence to guide your bet. Anyways, no matter, you can keep thinking I may or may not use your system. I know you don't really mind if I do or don't.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 3:56:00 PM
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Quote: thecesspitNo reason why he should lose his restaurant, even if he got lucky winning it.
You seem convinced anyone who wins big gambling must naturally lose big. I don't think it does.
I got the impression that Ken won over a period of years, not all at once. Where did he say he won big all at once?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 5th, 2010 at 4:05:16 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI got the impression that Ken won over a period of years, not all at once. Where did he say he won big all at once?
I don't know, where did I say he won big at all once?
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
September 5th, 2010 at 4:11:59 PM
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Quote: thecesspitI don't know, where did I say he won big at all once?
When someone 'wins big' at gambling, its always all at once. Like a jackpot or a lucky run at dice. Nobody 'wins big' over a period of years, that called just plain winning. Like having a job. The impression MLK gives is that he won it all at once and will lose it all at once. I don't think so.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 5th, 2010 at 4:17:02 PM
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Quote: mkl654321Line: JJJ loses his restaurant:
Over 12 months: -130
Under 12 months: +110
Line: JJJ actually has no restaurant, and lives in a 1959 Jetstream in the rear of a junkyard
Yes: -250
It's actually a Winnebago: +210
Line: JJJ actually believes what he's saying about his "system"
Yes: +600
No: -850
Ken mentioned the restaurant last spring as I recall. He's a mod on a roulette forum. He always posts the same, has for years. I don't think he lies, he just wins more than he loses. It does happen, you know. Its not beating the house edge, its just playing smart and staying ahead of the game. With a big BR and a good progression and aggressive smart play, its possible to stay ahead for a very long time.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 5th, 2010 at 4:38:58 PM
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Quote: EvenBobKen mentioned the restaurant last spring as I recall. He's a mod on a roulette forum. He always posts the same, has for years. I don't think he lies, he just wins more than he loses. It does happen, you know. Its not beating the house edge, its just playing smart and staying ahead of the game. With a big BR and a good progression and aggressive smart play, its possible to stay ahead for a very long time.
Uhhhh...no way. Re the system, not the restaurant, that is. As far as restaurant owners go, I've noticed that entrepreneurs are overrepresented in the population of gamblers; that's because entrepreneurship is itself a gamble: they are used to taking risks. Unfortunately, this can also make them feel they are bulletproof, especially if their initial riaks pan out.
In a way, having a roulette "system" is not unlike opening up a small business that is based on a faulty business model, but you succeed (for now) because of a lucky break or unforeseen circumstance. This fools the inept business owner into thinking that he actually knows something about business. Then the crash dive happens. Similarly, Ken thinks he's "figured out" roulette (though I can't imagine any sane person thinking this, it seems to be so); his initial successes have masked the truth, which is that he figures to get crushed sooner or later.
I have no doubt that there are some people who win more than they lose: I even know some "professional keno players" who have "figured out the pattern" of the numbers that come up. They are ahead for the time being. Of course, that is simply a coincidence; there is no such thing as a viable keno "system". But they have themselves convinced that they are ahead because of their brilliance and perspicacity. There is nothing so great as the human capacity for self-delusion.
There is no way to play roulette in "smart" fashion. It's certainly possible to stay ahead for a long time, but it's much more possible to lose and stay behind---forever. If Ken continues to play roulette "aggressively", he will lose his money and his restaurant. Furthermore, he will deserve to.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
