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darkoz
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July 8th, 2016 at 3:56:45 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

This forum is pretty frustrating. Haha

The live deck video bacarat machines and the digital baccarat machines are both dealt from an infinite deck. The cards are only shown being dealt by the metallic hand to offer realism. To encourage pattern bettors to play. It is all decided by a random number generator that decides each card that is drawn and each hand.

Both display the hands on the same digital screen. How the hands are decided only appear different.



What you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.

In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:01:02 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

On the east coast and the west coast? You can use your cell phone to do anything you want while sitting at the digital video baccarat machines. Its considered a slot machine to them. The cards are dealt from an infinite mock deck and use an rng to decide the valueof each card and each hand.

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.

In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.

I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:08:56 PM permalink
You do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if the live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.

If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:09:31 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

What you are saying is incorrect. For the live cards to be just a visual simulation, then the shuffling machine and computer would have to be in sync and all outcomes for an entire 8 deck game would have to be predetermined anyway because the live cards would have to be "shuffled" in the correct order for them to appear during the game. That is patently ridiculous.

In reality, the cards are shuffled randomly, THEN the computer reads the deck.

I think the OP is claiming any interblock Baccarat anywhere so that's definitely suspicious. For all we know he worked for the company and he has found a way. Anything I can imagine would be illegal in the USA.

I just can't imagine why he would tout this and recruit so publicly.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:10:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.

In NV it's illegal to use a cell phone to even count cards on a VBJ machine. If I understand properly it's illegal to use any personal electronic device in the casino for the purpose of playing.

I'm not sure about using one in the sports book I have seen people imputing lines into a program on their laptops.



They are pretty lax about cell phone use in Resorts World. You can certainly use your phone in front of any gaming machine there.

However, they would absolutely call the police and press charges if they discovered you were using it for hacking/cheating moves.
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Maniacwarrrt
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:14:36 PM permalink
Right. What he showed me appeared a statistical anamoly in their rng design. No cheating.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:24:33 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

Right. What he showed me appeared a statistical anamoly in their rng design. No cheating.



Oh for Expletives sake!

The software, the calls back to base are the smoke and mirrors!!!

There is no exploited flaw in the rng! There is no system to be figured out! There doesn't need to be.

Others in this thread have already screamed the system loud and clear.

If Mysterious new guy Maniac has actually physically seen the 'play' then he has been totally distracted by the smoke and mirrors. It's all hogwash FFS!

Pure and simple, the system is to assign the 'player' a modest daily target which is very likely achievable without any special knowledge of the future, and then when the victim almost inevitably wins the target amount, he sends 30% of winnings for the 'advice' he's received of what hands to play.

Anyone who believes in the software trickery wants his bumps reading.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:25:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

So you think you can use your cell to gather information that will allow you to cheat a slot machine ? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL.



It is illegal to do that in NYS.

NYS Penal Law:

Article 225, Par. 27

27. "Unlawful gaming property" means:
(a) any device, not prescribed for use in casinio gaming by its rules,
which is capable of assisting a player:
(i) to calculate any probabilities material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(ii) to receive or transmit information material to the outcome of a
contest of chance; or
(b) any object or article which, by virtue of its size, shape or any
other quality, is capable of being used in casino gaming as an improper
substitute for a genuine chip, cheque, token, betting coupon, debit
instrument, voucher or other instrument or indicia of value; or
(c) any unfair gaming equipment.
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:26:04 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You can't even use your phone to look up a strategy in NV.



The laws I've seen were worded in such a way that it would not be illegal in NV to use your phone to look up strategy charts. Has there ever been a case that said otherwise?
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July 8th, 2016 at 4:30:31 PM permalink
Quote: Maniacwarrrt

You do realize you just agreed with me? It doesnt matter if the live cards are preshuffled Randomly before being read by the machine Or decided randomly and then read by the machine individually. It is all decided by a random number generator.

If it was illegal to use your cell phone at the digital tables? More than half the casinos players would be thrown out. The virtual black jack machines use an rng for each hand. It is not countable. Deck is shuffled each hand.



SO, since it pretty much is out in the open, the OP hacks into the computer of Resorts World to get the same pre-read info it has in playing the predetermined deck. OP supplies bankroll for someone to go in and text him the cards dealt in a particular hand.

Using that hand info, he can locate where in the information string his predetermined list is and can then instruct the player what bets to make through the next dozen or so hands.

When the cops come to arrest someone, the player goes from playing Baccarat in the casino to playing Gin Rummy in prison and the OP finds another dupe to do his dirty work.
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