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BenJammin
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September 21st, 2014 at 2:24:28 PM permalink
Unless you are an expert card counter or a cheat, you can't win. At least over the long haul.

Many of the Gurus will tell you different, but notice they now make their money by selling you a bill of goods on how you can make money with their "System".

You can minimize your losses but in the long run you are going to lose.

It is the fallacy of every hard core gambler, to find a way to "Beat the House".

As Bob Stupak once said, the only way to win in this town is to open a casino. And that he did. That and a motorcycle accident eventually led him to ruin, But he had one hell of a run. His biography is fascinating.

So to all you charlatans I say; To hell with you!

I'll save you a place.
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EvenBob
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September 21st, 2014 at 2:33:25 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin


As Bob Stupak once said, the only way to win in this town is to open a casino..



You ever play Stupak's board game? I'd
like to find one of them.

"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Ibeatyouraces
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September 21st, 2014 at 2:37:11 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
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September 21st, 2014 at 2:50:47 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin

Unless you are an expert card counter or a cheat, you can't win. At least over the long haul.

Many of the Gurus will tell you different, but notice they now make their money by selling you a bill of goods on how you can make money with their "System".



I hear there's good money to be made selling systems, but that may classify you as a cheat.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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September 21st, 2014 at 8:51:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You ever play Stupak's board game? I'd
like to find one of them.

Finally a roulette game you can actually beat.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 21st, 2014 at 9:11:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

You ever play Stupak's board game? I'd
like to find one of them.



Here's your chance.

Only a $100.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bob-Stupaks-Vegas-World-Ultimate-Game-Of-Skills-Chance-Sealed-In-Original-Box-/350535309093?pt=Games_US&hash=item519d885725
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LGTVEGAS
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September 26th, 2014 at 11:06:48 AM permalink
Here's 100% false. YOU!
This town is a lonely town Not the only town like-a this town This town is a make-you town Or a break-you-town and bring-you-down town This town is a quiet town Or a riot town like this town This town is a love-you town And a shove-you-down and push-you-'round town
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September 26th, 2014 at 1:26:07 PM permalink
Pretty funny he named the game after himself. It's got a better ring than it should have sadly.
ThatDonGuy
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September 26th, 2014 at 3:22:10 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin

Unless you are an expert card counter or a cheat, you can't win. At least over the long haul.


Much as I want to agree with that statement, there's one exception I can think of.

If you look long and hard enough, you just might find a VP machine with a > 100% payout.

(And is vulturing considered "cheating"?)
aceofspades
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September 26th, 2014 at 3:51:23 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin

Unless you are an expert card counter or a cheat, you can't win. At least over the long haul.

Many of the Gurus will tell you different, but notice they now make their money by selling you a bill of goods on how you can make money with their "System".

You can minimize your losses but in the long run you are going to lose.

It is the fallacy of every hard core gambler, to find a way to "Beat the House".

As Bob Stupak once said, the only way to win in this town is to open a casino. And that he did. That and a motorcycle accident eventually led him to ruin, But he had one hell of a run. His biography is fascinating.

So to all you charlatans I say; To hell with you!

I'll save you a place.




My gambling IQ has just improved - gracias!
aceofspades
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September 26th, 2014 at 3:52:47 PM permalink
What about SiegfriedRoy
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September 26th, 2014 at 5:26:03 PM permalink
Quote: BenJammin


You can minimize your losses but in the long run you are going to lose.



When playing a negative expectation game, the probability you will have a negative bank roll increases over time. There are no absolutes.

The 'long run' or that time to 99% of players are losers is longer in some games than others. Much longer than some people expect.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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September 26th, 2014 at 6:31:38 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

If you look long and hard enough, you just might find a VP machine with a > 100% payout. (And is vulturing considered "cheating"?)



Okay so you wander around prospecting until you find this machine and then you hog it all day and night slurping free drinks as you make what? 0.19 percent on the coin in? Or is that an "expectation" that can take months to materialize?
ThatDonGuy
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September 27th, 2014 at 9:42:53 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Okay so you wander around prospecting until you find this machine and then you hog it all day and night slurping free drinks as you make what? 0.19 percent on the coin in? Or is that an "expectation" that can take months to materialize?


Even if it's 0.001%, that's still an exception to the original claim that "in the long run you are going to lose".

And yes, I realize that the OP was referring to claims that (insert the name of a system here) won't lose. (Actually, if you have infinite bankroll and infinite time, Martingale and D'Alembert should win in the long run - of course, this requires that not only you be immortal, but the sun itself as well, and something tells me that neither one of these is true...)
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September 27th, 2014 at 9:44:22 AM permalink
Because the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes, the house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, and then you take the house
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September 27th, 2014 at 9:45:53 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Much as I want to agree with that statement, there's one exception I can think of.

If you look long and hard enough, you just might find a VP machine with a > 100% payout.

(And is vulturing considered "cheating"?)



One need not look very long or very hard. You can look at the FSE light show and when it's over be playing one in seconds. With all the free booze you can take down your gullet to boot.
EvenBob
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:19:21 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit


The 'long run' or that time to 99% of players are losers is longer in some games than others. Much longer than some people expect.



And that's the reason casinos work. People
go on winning streaks and get the false
impression they can do this for a long time.
If everybody lost at exactly the house edge
every time, casinos would close in a month.
The illusion of winning keeps them going back.
They also want to believe the illusion, and
that's a big part of it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:24:04 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Because the house always wins. Play long enough, you never change the stakes, the house takes you. Unless, when that perfect hand comes along, you bet big, and then you take the house




I see what you did there.
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:31:04 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I see what you did there.



Best movie
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aceofspades
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:39:14 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Best movie





It is basically on cable every single night — as for tonight - it is on at 10:30pm EST on the E! channel
richbailey86
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:44:33 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

It is basically on cable every single night — as for tonight - it is on at 10:30pm EST on the E! channel



Ever notice brad pitt is eating in every scene.
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aceofspades
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September 27th, 2014 at 3:50:08 PM permalink
Quote: richbailey86

Ever notice brad pitt is eating in every scene.




Ahhh yes - I was told it was Pitt's idea as he figured his character Rusty was always on the go and would have to eat at sometime
(Hmmmmm…although, is he eating while he is teaching poker to the young hollywood crew?)
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