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November 4th, 2013 at 2:55:43 PM permalink
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That then brings up the question
How many PBPBPB chops are we to expect per shoe(s)?

the Baccarat experts should know that answer
Sally


Quote: GoldMember


There are chops like this 100% of the time at all tables in all games. It's just part of the "Random" shuffle.

player v
the pattern PBPBPB was being discussed.
PB
PBP
PBPB
PBPBP are too small to be considered.

yes, I say the expected number of PBPBPB is dependent on the total hands per shoe.
that is dependent on how deep the shoe is played into.

I simulated to get an answer.
(less than 1, but I now see the distribution)
now see how math gets the same result.
I do know the probability and the expected number of trials of PBPBPB = BPBPBP

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November 8th, 2013 at 5:02:11 PM permalink
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That then brings up the question
How many PBPBPB chops are we to expect per shoe(s)?

the Baccarat experts should know that answer
Sally


player v
the pattern PBPBPB was being discussed.
PB
PBP
PBPB
PBPBP are too small to be considered.

yes, I say the expected number of PBPBPB is dependent on the total hands per shoe.
that is dependent on how deep the shoe is played into.

I simulated to get an answer.
(less than 1, but I now see the distribution)
now see how math gets the same result.
I do know the probability and the expected number of trials of PBPBPB = BPBPBP

Sally



MustangSally, Come on down @ Fallsview Casino and watch Pro's like varmenti make "easy money" I see him there every morning waiting nearby the new table sections in the Baccarat pit around 10am. Also see him there everyday around 6pm playing. Watched him play Craps for about an hour just the other day along side with Novicegambler.

varmenti sets the dice to show 7 on every side and made 5 (7 front line winners) in a row. then he sets the dice to look like pairs) showing 4's at the top and 6's in back and made approx 15 place bet numbers before seven out. I can tell he is an experienced gambler regardless of the clowning around. NoviceGambler can also verify this to be true.
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November 8th, 2013 at 5:08:58 PM permalink
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November 8th, 2013 at 8:12:39 PM permalink
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[rubbish snipped]

I must say that I'm impressed, gr8varmenti. Beethoven's 3rd symphony was a good choice, and it was actually his favorite symphony for a long time. Here's the 1st movement of the 3rd 'Eroica' by the great Leonard Bernstein:


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November 8th, 2013 at 8:17:30 PM permalink
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Beethoven's 3rd symphony was a good choice, and it was actually his favorite symphony for a long time. Here's the 1st movement of the 3rd 'Eroica' by the great Leonard Bernstein:



Next to the 9th, I think my second favorite is the 7th.
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November 8th, 2013 at 8:42:15 PM permalink
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Next to the 9th, I think my second favorite is the 7th.



Ditto, but I haven't listened to them all. The St. Louis Symphony ended with the 9th this past season. I couldn't make it. :( I was in Vegas instead. ;) The STL Symphony is playing 3, 5, and 7 this year. I am tempted to go to the 5th, mainly for the other piece they're going to play: Shostakovich No. 5.
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November 8th, 2013 at 9:18:26 PM permalink
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Ditto, but I haven't listened to them all.


Oh man, then you're in for a treat. His odd-numbered symphonies are sublime.
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November 8th, 2013 at 10:23:31 PM permalink
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Oh man, then you're in for a treat. His odd-numbered symphonies are sublime.



I've listened to most parts of the odd ones...except 1. I'm not sure if I've listened to any portion of the even ones. Sorta odd the evens are much less popular. See what I did there? lol
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November 8th, 2013 at 11:11:15 PM permalink
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MustangSally, Come on down @ Fallsview Casino and watch Pro's like varmenti make "easy money"

Baby, I have to wait until after the new year.
My husband and I go back east then, we be at the beach in SoCal this winter working on our tan.
Love you too
also like the Wizard's new shoes
I could use some new shoes

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November 18th, 2013 at 5:52:19 PM permalink
I don't trust online games, not at all. I want to see the cards.
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:53:03 PM permalink
I don't trust online games, not at all. I want to see the cards.
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November 18th, 2013 at 5:57:51 PM permalink
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I don't trust online games, not at all. I want to see the cards.


Are you the one claiming to have a winning system in the blog?
Any news?????
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:04:08 PM permalink
posting this thread, I have been given a hundred thousand shoes by kind person. I have been able to bring the number up to 8500 shoes that I have tested on and still the same results. what I would like to do, is through a competent legal counsel have money put in escrow,with the guaranteed it this system works as stated I will receive the money in escrow and the person who put the money up will receive my information.right now it's very sticky situation I would not sell the system for less than hundreds of thousands of dollars so I guess that's out. it requires four people to be continuously available while playing in order for it to work. I do not trust online casinos at all and would never put money in one. I would be willing to bet every penny I have which is only a few thousand dollars that it works. I am open to any suggestions or any conversation or private messages.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:15:37 PM permalink
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posting this thread, I have been given a hundred thousand shoes by kind person. I have been able to bring the number up to 8500 shoes that I have tested on and still the same results. what I would like to do, is through a competent legal counsel have money put in escrow,with the guaranteed it this system works as stated I will receive the money in escrow and the person who put the money up will receive my information.right now it's very sticky situation I would not sell the system for less than hundreds of thousands of dollars so I guess that's out. it requires four people to be continuously available while playing in order for it to work. I do not trust online casinos at all and would never put money in one. I would be willing to bet every penny I have which is only a few thousand dollars that it works. I am open to any suggestions or any conversation or private messages.



My god, what are you doing here posting on WOV?????????
Get yourself to a casino IMMEDIATELY and turn your few thousand into, well, gazilions according to your system.
If it take 4 people, get 3 employees, pay minimum and clean up the massive profits.
Don't have a decent stake, borrow, apply for every credit card possible, maximize credit, put together a huge stake, hire 3 for a 4 man team, gazilions at the casino as a result of your system. Why sell it, use it and leave everybody in your dust.
Don't forget us little people, a post please when you make it to the top of the mountain.
When somebody doesn't believe me, I could care less. Some get totally bent out of shape when not believed. Weird. I believe very little on all forums
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:22:47 PM permalink
if somebody published or let out a proven mathematical system to the casino with just change the rules and then it would not work don't you think
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:24:03 PM permalink
I just posted that blog today . so no news other than that I have tried 8500 shoes up till now and I'm just going to keep going until I can save enough money to do it myself.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:26:17 PM permalink
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if somebody published or let out a proven mathematical system to the casino with just change the rules and then it would not work don't you think


Yup, if you have THE SYSTEM. You'd be a fool to sell it. Use it and make the millions for yourself.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:27:59 PM permalink
What I can say is ........Nothing.
I am a real gambler and take risk. But this is .....SIGH!!!!!
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:29:01 PM permalink
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I just posted that blog today . so no news other than that I have tried 8500 shoes up till now and I'm just going to keep going until I can save enough money to do it myself.



Forget saving. BORROW. Remember, you have THE SYSTEM. Its a no brainer, borrow, mortgage everything, sell everything you own. Who cares, THE SYSTEM is gonna make you a gazilionair.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:31:15 PM permalink
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Forget saving. BORROW. Remember, you have THE SYSTEM. Its a no brainer, borrow, mortgage everything, sell everything you own. Who cares, THE SYSTEM is gonna make you a gazilionair.



Finally some sound advice. :)
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:42:24 PM permalink
I'd hit every loan shark in the state.
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:42:41 PM permalink
I never said I have the system . your low grade sarcasm is lost on me what I did say is that I have tested my system with 8500 shoes I have no reason to lie. As I am NOT selling anything . so it might be better for you to waste your posts on somebody who cares what you say. on the other hand, if you believe 100 percent that my system does not work then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and we'll have a wager. since the odds are 100 percent in your favor then you should easily be able to bet me 100 to 1 .if you're not willing to do that, then you're just a blow hard .
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:45:09 PM permalink
Remember, "you understand better than most people , probability odds & mathematics" so you know how a time and betting system can overcome house odds. You'd be stupid to sell this for anything less than ten billion dollars.

Oooooh!!! A "baccarat system".

"I have been gambling 30 years ,tested all sorts of systems. this system requires four players .whereas I could see and understand why every other system failed ,also now understand why this wins ."

Put me down for 50 mil. Where should I send the check?
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November 18th, 2013 at 6:51:57 PM permalink
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I never said I have the system . your low grade sarcasm is lost on me what I did say is that I have tested my system with 8500 shoes I have no reason to lie. As I am NOT selling anything . so it might be better for you to waste your posts on somebody who cares what you say. on the other hand, if you believe 100 percent that my system does not work then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and we'll have a wager. since the odds are 100 percent in your favor then you should easily be able to bet me 100 to 1 .if you're not willing to do that, then you're just a blow hard .



I'll take the 100 to 1. I'll put up 20K and escrow it. You can escrow your 2 million with someone we both agree on. Let me know.
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:03:14 PM permalink
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I never said I have the system . your low grade sarcasm is lost on me what I did say is that I have tested my system with 8500 shoes I have no reason to lie. As I am NOT selling anything . so it might be better for you to waste your posts on somebody who cares what you say. on the other hand, if you believe 100 percent that my system does not work then why don't you put your money where your mouth is and we'll have a wager. since the odds are 100 percent in your favor then you should easily be able to bet me 100 to 1 .if you're not willing to do that, then you're just a blow hard .



You're on. Kind of. (no way 100 to 1 but I'm a reasonable guy )We need to nail down the specifics 1st.
This is a Vegas board. Name a Vegas casino, date and time.
If we can nail this down, then we can discuss a bet. This is perfect timing for me, I have to schedule all my day offs for next year in the next couple of days.
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:13:05 PM permalink
A good bet is he plays 5,000 hands and for every dollar he loses he pays a dollar. For every dollar he wins, he gets a dollar. I know he won't bet but on the impossible chance he does, count me in. When he came with the 100 to 1 bs it defined him and his "system".
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:23:47 PM permalink
if I had enough money to operate my system in a Vegas casino then I would be in a Vegas casino operating my system. without enough money to operate in a casino, the test would have to be done as I do every day . by simulating shoes and bets. so far this system has worked on 8500 shoes I have absolutely no reason to cheat myself. if you believe that there is absolutely zero chance that any system could work then it doesn't matter what the odds are you will just win everything that I put up, because you believe 100 percent that I cannot win . I have been gambling and testing systems and messing around with this s*** for 30 years. in those 30 years until now I have not seen a system that could beat the house .I suppose it is possible thatmy system does not work. but 8500 shoes is a very big example . my challenge still stands .although obviously without money to play in a casino it would have to be done by simulation. if you agree to that we can move on.
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:26:51 PM permalink
explain exactly what the hundred to one defines. what is defined as that someone believes that no system can work 100-1 is nothing for them ,they will automatically win every penny that I bring . so actually you sound like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:34:46 PM permalink
And you've still never seen a "system" that works, now 30 years and 1 day later. You got me dollar for dollar like I said. Enough chit chat. How much would you like to put up?
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:37:05 PM permalink
You sound like a punk kid. Screw.
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:38:12 PM permalink
And you sound like a 30 year loser. Not going to bet now?
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:51:31 PM permalink
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:57:42 PM permalink
What???
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November 18th, 2013 at 7:58:05 PM permalink
Quote: gpl2112

You sound like a punk kid. Screw.



I don't need this from a new Member. You're banned, duration is lifetime. Personal insult and System Selling.

For your benefit, I will now publish an in-depth analysis of your system, thanks for giving me the specifics that enabled me to provide the following math report:

It sucks.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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November 18th, 2013 at 8:08:11 PM permalink
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How many possible ways is there to arrange 416 cards in the shoe? 8500 out of billions upon billions upon billions of shoes is meaningless.


Hold on. If any system works for 8500 shoes, then I think the system is really good.
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November 18th, 2013 at 8:10:12 PM permalink
SIGH!!!!! Coming too late for a sure thing.
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November 18th, 2013 at 8:25:47 PM permalink
8500 shoes really is a very small sample size. It may not quite be statistically insignificant but it's probably close to it.
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November 18th, 2013 at 10:24:10 PM permalink
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February 3rd, 2014 at 6:49:49 PM permalink
Hi Wizard,

I have downloaded your shoes but I'm wondering have you are anyone have those shoes with out the numbers in front of them? Just the P/B/T. MustangSally suggested we could use a easy program that would imput them, but when I tried to paste your hundred or the 25k bac list it wouldn't let me. But if I copied the line with out the number representing the shoe it worked. It'll be a bit time consuming to do that for the 25k and the 250k one you have shared. I am wondering if you have those stats with out the numbers for the shoes. Thanks

BankIt


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True. However, old habits from the punch card days are hard to break.

Here is another 25,000 shoes. Just 4.06 MB. I checked if it was too big for Excel, but it took only a second or two to load.

For those with a slow Internet connection, here are the first 10 shoes:

1,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,T,B,T,B,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,T,B,P,B,P,T,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,T,P,P,B,B,P,B
2,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,B,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,T,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B
3,B,T,B,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,T,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B,P,B
4,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,B,T,B,P,P,T,B,B,P,B,P,T,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,T,B,T,P,P,P,P,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,P
5,P,P,P,P,P,P,T,P,T,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,T,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,B,T,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,P,B,T,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,P,P,T,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,T,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,P
6,P,P,B,P,T,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,B,T,B,B,P,B,B,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,T,B,P,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,P,T,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B
7,P,B,P,B,T,B,B,B,B,T,P,P,P,P,B,B,T,B,B,P,T,P,B,B,T,B,P,T,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,T,P,P,B,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,B,T,P,P,P,T,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,P,B,B,B,B,P,T,B,T,P,B,P,B,B
8,B,B,P,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,T,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,P,P,T,B,T,P,P,B,B,B,P,T,B,B,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,B,T,P,P,B,B,B,B,P,P,B,P,B,B,T
9,P,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,T,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,P,B,P,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,T,B,P,B,P,B,P,P,B,B,T,P,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,B,T,B,B,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,P,P,B,P,P,B,B,B,P,T,P,B,B,P
10,T,P,P,T,B,P,B,B,P,B,P,P,B,T,P,B,P,T,P,P,P,P,P,P,P,P,B,P,P,P,B,P,B,B,P,T,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,B,B,B,P,P,B,B,B,B,B,P,P,P,B,B,P,B,P,T,T,T,T,P,P,B,B,P,P,B,B,P,P,P,P,B,P,P

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February 3rd, 2014 at 7:17:43 PM permalink
I tried to copy and paste more than one line in that way with out the numbers in front and it doesn't work, hmmm. Perhaps Mustang Sally if they are still around could help me on the input of values into the program.

Anyone with any suggestions?

BankIt
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