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Quote: varmentiIf anyone plays the Single Player way, they will notice many shoes deem to be much more profitable. (But Not Consistent)
winning / losing money in bulk is one thing = huge daily wins but many losing days, but
Winning and losing less, consistently, day after day and leaving with profits everyday is much more comfortable for me.
Maybe it's just a matter of preference.
Day after day for an average of 6-8 hrs I sit at the tables with many others buying in with 300-500.00 after a while I stop caring to see them all walk away losers and then i see them return at another table shortly after buying in with another bankroll and again I watch them lose. Hundreds of players all day long winning big at the runner tables but then I look at my wife and she notices they are down to their last hundred bucks as our chips remain at 500 each still after playing many tables hours later.
No, no, no.
I am saying starting at 0/0 is ALWAYS better than starting at 1/1. It's not a case of making less or more variability or anything else. It's purely more profitable to play with no hedge. It's like your way, but better in every way I can think off. Your method is really follow the last hit and increase the bet. There's no 'free bet', you are paying for the hedge out of your winnings, your money.
If there is an advantage from hedging, please show me, mathematically or logically or (at worst) clearly where it is. I may be wrong, I am not 100% convinced cos I haven't run it all the way through a simulation yet.
Quote: varmentiMaybe if the admin made a "Baccarat sub category in the Table Games section, with my posts or even yours may have been taken more seriously.
Until you guys start acknowledging math instead of running away from it, you will never be taken seriously. Remember, this is a MATH site. The owner is a MATH expert, and there are many other MATH experts here.
Quote: varmenti
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
Erm, you can't pick and choose.
Quote:big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
If it wasn't for the 5% commission, the house wouldn't be able to run the game.
Quote: Beethoven9thUntil you guys start acknowledging math instead of running away from it, you will never be taken seriously. Remember, this is a MATH site. The owner is a MATH expert, and there are many other MATH experts here.
Are you a Math Expert gr8beethoven ?
Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah but they don't know what 0^0 equals! :-)
LOL!
Quote: varmentiAre you a Math Expert gr8beethoven ?
I have decent math skills, but I'm nowhere near the level of the guys on this forum. (These are the same guys who have been trying to get through to you and gr8player for ages now)
Quote: Beethoven9thUntil you guys start acknowledging math instead of running away from it, you will never be taken seriously. .
Exactly right. Casinios are built on math. Casino games
are nothing but math. It takes math to beat a math game.
It's a fact of life, you can't run from it.
Quote: thecesspitErm, you can't pick and choose.
If it wasn't for the 5% commission, the house wouldn't be able to run the game.
Exactly that, so give them their 5% and stay quiet about winning the other 95%
I'm Italian, and correct me if i'm wrong, this game is an Italian game, you need to be Italian to understand it 100%
The Asians are the prey in getting hooked on it and filling our pockets from our invention.
The french assisted in perfecting it even more using the math skills that benefit only the Casino.
Moral of the story,
DRINK WINE and Play Baccarat and FILL YOUR POCKETS with Hundred Dollar Bills. Leaving the Casino's shaking their heads asking themselves "WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE as they view their empty trays of Chips.
Guys it's 4pm est time here, and I'm off to the Casino to play some baccarat sessions. be back before midnight.
Quote: varmentiExactly that, so give them their 5% and stay quiet about winning the other 95%
The casino is quite happy with giving you that 95%. No need to keep quiet at all.
Quote:I'm Italian, and correct me if i'm wrong, this game is an Italian game, you need to be Italian to understand it 100%
You are wrong. It's not your heritage that makes you able to understand the game or otherwise.
Quote:DRINK WINE and Play Baccarat and FILL YOUR POCKETS with Hundred Dollar Bills. Leaving the Casino's shaking their heads asking themselves "WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE as they view their empty trays of Chips.
Wow. Forget it. You don't want a debate or to talk about your methods at all. You pretend it, you may think it, but you really, truly don't.
Quote: thecesspitIf there is an advantage from hedging, please show me, mathematically or logically or (at worst) clearly where it is. I may be wrong, I am not 100% convinced cos I haven't run it all the way through a simulation yet.
I look forward to a simulation, provided the parameters are the same for everyone.
I'm using the layout for tonight's sessions.
I want people to ask questions as the results are posted. This could help narrow things down so as to ensure that we're "all on the same page" in regards to parameters of the game.
Quote: gr8playerWhat, pray tell, is your stake in whether or not I respond to AxelWolf's request, Beethoven9th?
Such as AxelWolf's request to "watch me win some money in AC".....
What sort of fool do you take me for?
I would never, ever allow such nonsense.
Beethoven, I don't blame you one bit for being upset.
I too would be upset if my teacher did not allow the class to go on a field trip.
Quote: rob45I look forward to a simulation, provided the parameters are the same for everyone.
My taste for doing it went down several notches after varmenti's nationalistic nonsense. But will probably come back again... I like tinkering with code like this.
Quote:I'm using the layout for tonight's sessions.
I want people to ask questions as the results are posted. This could help narrow things down so as to ensure that we're "all on the same page" in regards to parameters of the game.
For sure.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIf that were truly the case, you'll get barred pretty quickly. Casinos hate consistent winners.
This doesn't make sense. Vamenti claims he wins $1000 a day
from one casino, Fallsview. I've been going to casinos for over 35
years and none of them tolerate consistent winners of this kind. He
would be long gone, $1000 a day out the door would not be
tolerated from one player in any casino for long.
Quote: varmentiQuote: GWAEI did find a mistake, but when I fixed it I am only showing a $200 profit. Can you look at my spreadsheet and make a correction. Also, you really need to stop hedging. You seem to be an intelligent person but it is just foolish to give away so much money in commission. Take a look at my table, on the right you will see the way that you play and on the left it is the same thing but by reducing each bet 1 unit. You end up at the same place at the end but you have paid a lot less in commissions. If you are saving $15 per shoe on commissions that would be $150 a night. $300 a day, $2100 a week, $8400 a month, $100k a year. JUST IN COMMISSIONS, are you still going to consider that peanuts or whatever you called it the other day.
GWAE, it's 5% who cares man. that's negative thinking on your part.
instead try doing the math on the other 95% you win.
big deal you lose 5% of your winnings only when Banker wins. but when Banker wins, you get 95% and that's huge return coming from a 49 /51 game game of Chance.
Thats why this game only has 22 hands because your goal at each table is to make 200 or better. or leave plus or minus after 20 hands.
If you want to make more money simply play the single player way and make probably $500 from this same shoe.
It's not negative thinking at all. My math illustrates to you that there is ZERO reason to hedge your bet. I have been following along with you on this thread but you won't admit when you have a mistake and that is a big problem. Can you imagine how much more you would have won by not hedging. You said that you were good at the maths so this should be plain as day to you.
Again, my spreadsheet shows you that hedging makes ZERO difference in the amount of money that you win EXCEPT you pay more in commission which lowers your win rate.
Varmenti, there is nothing wrong with admitting there is a flaw in your system. Isn't that 1 reason that you posted on here in the first place.
Quote: EvenBobThis doesn't make sense. Vamenti claims he wins $1000 a day
from one casino, Fallsview. I've been going to casinos for over 35
years and none of them tolerate consistent winners of this kind. He
would be long gone, $1000 a day out the door would not be
tolerated from one player in any casino for long.
you are telling me that they would ban someone who is hedging their own bet. Nawwww, they would just wait it out since they know they will win in the long run.
Sorry forgot to rotate the pic.
What is V's progression with his hedging? I thought it was 25-50-75, 50-75-100, 75-100-125, 100-125-150, etc.
I see on your chart that you have: 25-50-75, 50-75-100, but then right to 125-150-200
Quote: varmentiHey guys here is tonight's game for those who care to try the methods with real shoes played at tonights Baccarat sessions. Remember to play them from left to right.
Not right to left? Swear that's what you said last time.
Quote: EdgeLookerGWAE,
What is V's progression with his hedging?Quote:
Revert Back to 0 after every loss."If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
Quote: thecesspitNot right to left? Swear that's what you said last time.
CORRECTION: it's right to left.
Quote: EvenBobExactly right. Casinios are built on math. Casino games
are nothing but math. It takes math to beat a math game.
It's a fact of life, you can't run from it.
MATH vs. LOGIC, we have a war brewing here.
Quote: gr8varmentiDRINK WINE and Play Baccarat and FILL YOUR POCKETS with Hundred Dollar Bills. Leaving the Casino's shaking their heads asking themselves "WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE as they view their empty trays of Chips.
And we have a new signature....
Quote: Beethoven9thI have decent math skills, but I'm nowhere near the level of the guys on this forum. (These are the same guys who have been trying to get through to you and gr8player for ages now)
There are Players and there are Teachers. I am a Player I believe I'm a very good player, but I am never near good to be a teacher.
Quote: varmentiThe Correct Betting Progression for Partner betting after every WIN is:
0>25
1>50
2>75
3>50
4>75
5>100
6>125
7>150
8>200
9>100
10>150
11>200
Revert Back to 0 after every loss.
Thanks Varmenti. But, it was on page 27 of this thread where you posted:
Quote: varmenti5. Exact progression during winning streaks. (e.g., $10-$20-$30-$20-$30-$40-$30-$40-$50 etc.)
25,50,75,50,75,100,75,100,125 and so on./q]
Quote: Beethoven9thUntil you guys start acknowledging math instead of running away from it, you will never be taken seriously. Remember, this is a MATH site. The owner is a MATH expert, and there are many other MATH experts here.
Beethoven9th, don't you think the Casino would refuse to carry the game of chance if it was mathematically beatable.
the inventors were 100% correct to be able for a casino to welcome their Game of Chance.
what math is needed to flip a coin.
if you bet 25.00 on tails and heads comes, simple math you lose.
if heads comes out three times in a row, the Logic is, DON'T BET ON TAILS.
Now you gotta ask yourself how you can win consistently? and that involves increasing your wins to compensate for your losses and in order to do this, One needs to find the threshold, or the happy medium, and it has to compliment the Balance between winning and Losing.
I can go on into more detail to explain that Logical thinking is far more greater than Math when it comes to BEATING the Game of Chance.
Math is only good if you're INVENTING the Game of Chance.
Quote: EdgeLookerThanks Varmenti. But, it was on page 27 of this thread where you posted:
Quote: varmenti5. Exact progression during winning streaks. (e.g., $10-$20-$30-$20-$30-$40-$30-$40-$50 etc.)
25,50,75,50,75,100,75,100,125 and so on./q]
Those were examples of betting progressions varying from Aggressive to Mild.
My method of Progression is the one I listed. here is a pic of the Card I have my wife take with her.
This is the only Betting Progression that has been working for us for almost two months at the Casino."If it ain't Broke, Don't fix it" <br> "Please note that my threads & posts are strictly for Educational purposes only and I do not care if you choose to Win or Lose your money. " <br> "Sometimes, Its not about the money, Its about being able to say yea, It can be done, and claim victory. That's Genius!!!" <br> "There is a range of views among mathematicians and philosophers as to the exact scope and definition of mathematics."
Quote: PaboVarmenti and gre8player are classic examples of gambler's conceit. It's an absolute waste of time to argue with them about the fallacy of their systems. They neither understand the math and logic of the weaknesses of their styles of play, nor do they really want to understand. They are 100% convinced they have uncovered a way to overcome a house edge by employing a unique (so they think) playing and betting system which is both illogical and mathematically unsound.
Pabo, I am not conceited. I am just Over-Excited to have put together some Elements to complete a Working Method allowing me to make $$$ at the Casino playing the Game of Baccarat.
Quote: teddysAnd we have a new signature....
DRINK WINE and Play Baccarat and FILL YOUR POCKETS with Hundred Dollar Bills. Leaving the Casino's shaking their heads asking themselves "WHAT JUST HAPPENED HERE as they view their empty trays of Chips.
teddys !!! I LOVE IT !!!!!
Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah but they don't know what 0^0 equals! :-)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the answer is a complete set of all values.
Now ya wanna talk about Product of Powers? Ibeatyouraces ?
Quote: GWAESo Varmenti, it appears that I am the only one discussing your system yet you don't want to talk about your flaws. Why even post it in a forum if you don't want to talk about it. You seem quite content with the so called bullying opposed to talking about the OP.
I'm right here GWAE, so far from many plays I haven't discovered any flaws. Do you see otherwise?
If I notice any flaws I try to correct and Update Under The Baccarat "System Requirements"
Quote: PaboVarmenti and gre8player are classic examples of gambler's conceit. It's an absolute waste of time to argue with them
I've been saying that about Gr8 for 5 years. He's
like the character in Catch 22 that Yossarian hates,
but refuses to be insulted. No matter what Yossarian
says to him, he doesn't get that Yossarian is serious.
He thinks it's all a big joke.
That's Gr8vermanti. They're so ignorant of the laws
of gambling that they refuse to even acknowledge it.
After awhile you become like Yossarian, you want to
scream when they spew their nonsense.
You see these people in casinos playing slots. If you
try and explain to them that they'll never get ahead
playing the slots, they look at like you have a big wad
of dog crap stuck to your shoe. They can't wait to get
away from you because you're obviously a loon.
Quote: EvenBobI've been saying that about Gr8 for 5 years. He's
like the character in Catch 22 that Yossarian hates,
but refuses to be insulted. No matter what Yossarian
says to him, he doesn't get that Yossarian is serious.
He thinks it's all a big joke.
That's Gr8vermanti. They're so ignorant of the laws
of gambling that they refuse to even acknowledge it.
After awhile you become like Yossarian, you want to
scream when they spew their nonsense.
You see these people in casinos playing slots. If you
try and explain to them that they'll never get ahead
playing the slots, they look at like you have a big wad
of dog crap stuck to your shoe. They can't wait to get
away from you because you're obviously a loon.
Gr8Player has been here for 5 years?
EvenBob, I know what you mean, I sit at Cashman Slots and when the guy next to me wins 800.00 jackpot on a 50 cent bet I have this Fake Happiness for him congratulating him for getting such a victory but inside I hate his guts cuz that should have been mine. I know what its like to hate when others win and I learn from that and I also know what its like now at the tables when players see me there everyday playing for hours on the same bankroll of 1000.00, I know how they feel.
Quote: varmentiteddys !!! I LOVE IT !!!!!
Teddy, you can't insult him, it's not possible. He
thinks it's a compliment that you have that as a
sig, he has no idea you're mocking him.
Quote: EvenBobTeddy, you can't insult him, it's not possible. He
thinks it's a compliment that you have that as a
sig, he has no idea you're mocking him.
I take everything as a Positive. No one will get ahead in life being negative. One must be positive at all times.
Reminds me of two partners at the roulette table back in 1998 at the casino they were playing Martingale on Two of the Three Dozens.
at the time I have studied that game for over 16hrs a day. I improved their Method by a simple alteration allowing them to make a few bucks and risk less by playing Rows & Dozens Together.
Quote: GWAESo Varmenti, it appears that I am the only one discussing your system yet you don't want to talk about your flaws. Why even post it in a forum if you don't want to talk about it. You seem quite content with the so called bullying opposed to talking about the OP.
GWAE, Where did you go? I'm here, I'm here, Let's talk.
Quote: varmentiPabo, I am not conceited. I am just Over-Excited to have put together some Elements to complete a Working Method allowing me to make $$$ at the Casino playing the Game of Baccarat.
No, varmenti, I wasn't calling you conceited. Please don't get me wrong. It was not meant to insult you. I was simpy saying that you and gr8player have fallen victim to something known as gambler's conceit. Definition is as follows:
"Gamber’s conceit is a phrase which describes a gambler’s belief that he is always able to keep his winnings ahead of his losses. When a gambler says, “I’ll stop when I’m ahead,” he is expressing the gambler’s conceit. When a gambler plans to quit playing after making a certain percentage of his bankroll, for example, 10%, he is operating from gambler’s conceit. He thinks he is practicing “good money management,” but underlying this apparently positive discipline is a false sense of invincibility."
The problem with gambler's conceit is that it leads to gambler's ruin:
"Gambler’s ruin is a phrase which describes the fact that a gambler, who has relatively smaller resources, will eventually lose his entire bankroll to an opponent who has relatively greater resources. In context, the opponent is the House, which has in principle an infinite bankroll."
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Quote: PaboNo, varmenti, I wasn't calling you conceited. Please don't get me wrong. It was not meant to insult you. I was simpy saying that you and gr8player have fallen victim to something known as gambler's conceit. Definition is as follows:
"Gamber’s conceit is a phrase which describes a gambler’s belief that he is always able to keep his winnings ahead of his losses. When a gambler says, “I’ll stop when I’m ahead,” he is expressing the gambler’s conceit. When a gambler plans to quit playing after making a certain percentage of his bankroll, for example, 10%, he is operating from gambler’s conceit. He thinks he is practicing “good money management,” but underlying this apparently positive discipline is a false sense of invincibility."
The problem with gambler's conceit is that it leads to gambler's ruin:
"Gambler’s ruin is a phrase which describes the fact that a gambler, who has relatively smaller resources, will eventually lose his entire bankroll to an opponent who has relatively greater resources. In context, the opponent is the House, which has in principle an infinite bankroll."
That is because we Use:
1) Sessions Goals
2) Daily Goals
3) Loss limits
4) Hand limitations
5) Limited Bank Roll
this keeps us always ahead of the game.
I lose 75% of the time when I play but when I win, I make up for it very easy and very fast also allowing me to leave the casino with Profit and always ahead of the game.
You guys are not the only ones, There are many Dealers and also other players at the table that question the way I play and many repeat the questions and can't believe why I would bet the way I do. It happens every day, Most of the Dealers are usedto it and actually Know us by name now and treat us like we are celebrities.
Quote: varmentiIf anyone is Serious about the Game of Baccarat and would like to discuss More in detail. You can reach me by Phone
1-289-438-4555
And he looked so intelligent in the pics he posted. lol
Why would you hate anyone for their good fortune? Jealousy? Envy? That's sad. You come to this forum almost every day crowing about the $500 - $1,000 you win each day you play. What are you trying to prove by that? That you're some sort of freaking genius who has cracked the code that no one else has been able to? Frankly, while I am skeptical of your claims, if you really are winning like you say you are, then I'm happy for you. No envy. No hate. You deserve what you win. I'm happy for anyone you can beat the casino legally.
I do admit to great curiousity as to why you reject what experts on this and in other forums have tried to tell you about the flaws in your system. You refuse to try and understand that. Nevertheless, if you are making money with your system and are happy with it, then by all means keep doing it as long as it works for you. Hell, that's what I would do. If I were in your shoes, I'd just simply thank everyone for their input, drop out of sight, and go on making money. Screw what anyone else thinks about your system. Who cares what they think?
I sincerely wish you continued success, just as I would anyone else able to beat the casino.
Quote: PaboVarmenti: "EvenBob, I know what you mean, I sit at Cashman Slots and when the guy next to me wins 800.00 jackpot on a 50 cent bet I have this Fake Happiness for him congratulating him for getting such a victory but inside I hate his guts cuz that should have been mine. I know what its like to hate when others win and I learn from that and I also know what its like now at the tables when players see me there everyday playing for hours on the same bankroll of 1000.00, I know how they feel."
Why would you hate anyone for their good fortune? Jealousy? Envy? That's sad. You come to this forum almost every day crowing about the $500 - $1,000 you win each day you play. What are you trying to prove by that? That you're some sort of freaking genius who has cracked the code that no one else has been able to? Frankly, while I am skeptical of your claims, if you really are winning like you say you are, then I'm happy for you. No envy. No hate. You deserve what you win. I'm happy for anyone you can beat the casino legally.
I do admit to great curiousity as to why you reject what experts on this and in other forums have tried to tell you about the flaws in your system. You refuse to try and understand that. Nevertheless, if you are making money with your system and are happy with it, then by all means keep doing it as long as it works for you. Hell, that's what I would do. If I were in your shoes, I'd just simply thank everyone for their input, drop out of sight, and go on making money. Screw what anyone else thinks about your system. Who cares what they think?
I sincerely wish you continued success, just as I would anyone else able to beat the casino.
I'm not avoiding the experts on here, some of them are assuming all the time without even acknowledging the Concept.
They trash me before questioning?
I challenge them and they run away from me.
The only Expert I see in this forum is GR8PLAYER because he understands the Game.
Quote: varmentiThat is because we Use:
1) Sessions Goals
2) Daily Goals
3) Loss limits
4) Hand limitations
5) Limited Bank Roll
.
Gamblers Conceit: This belief frequently operates during games of chance, such as casino games. The gambler believes they will be a net winner at the game, and thus able to avoid going broke by exerting the self-control necessary to stop playing while still ahead in winnings. Once in the throes of winning, the individual may even become convinced that it is their skill, rather than blind chance, causing their winnings, or good luck on their side.
Perfect example are Gr8vamenti. Their pics should be next to the definition.
Quote: EvenBobAnd he looked so intelligent in the pics he posted. lol
It doesn't take a genius to beat the Game of Baccarat.
If Beethovan can do it, Anyone can including you EvenBob.
Quote: varmentiI'm not avoiding the experts on here, some of them are assuming all the time without even acknowledging the Concept.
They trash me before questioning?
I challenge them and they run away from me.
The only Expert I see in this forum is GR8PLAYER because he understands the Game.
You think gr8player is an expert? ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha! ha!
