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stoneynv
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February 13th, 2013 at 1:02:09 PM permalink
I'm certainly not saying this will win in the long run as the game can't be beat. So if the game can't be beat why am I doing this? Don't have an answer to that question other than I'm nuts and borderline desperate. To take the variance/volatility out of the game to some degree, I'll use a count on outside bets. Let say I'm betting red and I find myself -20 units. I would at that point increase my base bet one unit. If count runs to -40 I would increase bet another unit. Down -60 units increase again. So the progression is 1-2-3-4-5 etc. The idea of course is that over the course of several hundred spins the wheel will tend to find a degree of balance or that a run of reds would be in the "nature of the wheel" Trying to win 10 units and stop. I understand negative progressions result in major depression and out. Tell me what's wrong so I can move on and begin a new career as a porn-slapper.
rdw4potus
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February 13th, 2013 at 1:03:57 PM permalink
Quote: stoneynv

The idea of course is that over the course of several hundred spins the wheel will tend to find a degree of balance or that a run of reds would be in the "nature of the wheel"



That's what's wrong:-)
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
EvenBob
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February 13th, 2013 at 1:20:25 PM permalink
Quote: stoneynv

Tell me what's wrong so I can move on and begin a new career as a porn-slapper.



Whats wrong is what you're doing doesn't beat the
house edge, so its worthless. Its really that simple.

But don't feel bad. There are whole forums where
people think they can win by tricking the house edge,
or by pretending it doesn't exist. They are math
deniers, kinda like people who make wings out
of chicken feathers and think they'll fly, ignoring
the math of aerodynamics.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
dealerwins
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February 13th, 2013 at 2:19:40 PM permalink
Quote: stoneynv

The idea of course is that over the course of several hundred spins the wheel will tend to find a degree of balance or that a run of reds would be in the "nature of the wheel"



The wheel will find a degree of balance, but over a few million spins not a few hundred.

Neither the wheel or the ball possess any intelligence, so they cannot collude to adjust the next 100 spins in reds favour even if red is severely behind black over the last 200 spins.

Each spin is an independent random event, and will always be (assuming an unbiased wheel)
EvenBob
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February 13th, 2013 at 2:24:48 PM permalink
Quote: dealerwins



Neither the wheel or the ball possess any intelligence,



They have lots of intelligence, in the same way a glass
that will ring with the same note every time its struck
is said to have intelligence.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
SOOPOO
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February 13th, 2013 at 3:15:19 PM permalink
Quote: stoneynv

Trying to win 10 units and stop. Tell me what's wrong so I can move on and begin a new career as a porn-slapper.



What's wrong is that you are lying to yourself. So you are going to stop after you win those 10 units, then never play again? If that is really true (ha ha), then tell us how many units you have, and we can tell you how likely you are to succeed. If you have 100 units to start, you will succeed around 80% of the time.
Porn slapping on the other hand has + EV.
7craps
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February 14th, 2013 at 10:46:06 PM permalink
Quote: stoneynv

I'll use a count on outside bets.
Let say I'm betting red and I find myself -20 units.

Are you flat betting to lose the first 20 units?
I think so.
If yes, in 100 spins this will happen only about 8.4% of the time (about 1 in 12)
in 50 spins this will happen only about 1% of the time (about 1 in 100)

What to do if you are just spinning your wheels between -5 and -15units after 100 spins??
Quote: stoneynv

I would at that point increase my base bet one unit.
If count runs to -40 I would increase bet another unit.
Down -60 units increase again.
So the progression is 1-2-3-4-5 etc.

Got it. A true negative progression.
Without knowing your beginning bankroll, you might find that once in a hole (-60)
the highest probability of getting out of it is with Bold Play... bet all of what you got and get back to square one if you win
or ruin and wait for another day with another bankroll to play with.
Quote: stoneynv

Trying to win 10 units and stop.

This would be a session win,
You will be back for more.
The odds start getting even worse the more times you would attempt this to keep winning.
But you already know that.
Quote: stoneynv

I understand negative progressions result in major depression and out.

They can.
But they can also beat out flat betting (shorter play time and lower average bets)
when trying to hit a win goal and risking the same bankroll attempting it.
It ain't always doom and gloom with all negative progressions if you use them sparingly.

Notice I did not address your "balance" statement.

Good Luck on your try
(I know you want to try it)
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
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