klimate10
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September 17th, 2018 at 10:05:37 AM permalink
It isnít emphasized enough...keep your cool, even when things go to hell at the table. Thatís true in life, not just at the craps table.

IĎm at Choctaw casino in Oklahoma. They just got actual dice.

Choctaw casino charges a $1 ante per come out bet. According to my observation, that comes out to about $30 or so an hour, per person, in addition to the HE. Any come out roll results in a $1 ante. If you have a place bet and no line bet, then itís $1 ante when the place bet goes live. If the point wins, then the place bet goes off, and you have to ante for the place bets again.

On my buy-in, female dealer shorts me $1 on my buy in (took my $1 ante even though I had no action). When I argue to get my $1, she throws me $1. Box asks, Ďwhatís going on?í, the dealer responds, Ďthis guy is arguing over $1. Not worth arguing with him, I just gave it to him.í

If there was ever a time I wanted to tell a dealer f*ck you, it was then. But I just got there and didnít want to be banned.

Btw, I point out that the gender of the dealer, not to call her out for her gender, but because there are some things that are inappropriate for a guy to say to someone of the opposite sex. Iíve seen male dealers be told f*ck you, with no consequences other than an argument, but Iíve seen players get booted for saying less to a female dealer. Rules of decorum.

Iím telling ya, I love dealers and Iím a tipper. Without hard working dealers, weíre all playing bubble craps.

Max odds are 3,4,5x. At some point a guy has $10 pass and $60 odds on the 8. Dealer pays the $50 and takes no action on the $10. Says heís over the odds. Box sees and says nothing, implying agreement. This is my experience at most casinos. It happened to me once when I got cute with a pole of chips.

About an hour later, a big bettor arrived, betting black. He loses his ass off betting non-optimally. I was up $175 on my $200 buy in (Iím there just for a report, not to really play).

This guy is mumbling to himself, canít believe how bad it is, how heís never seen a table like this, etc. There were people who were up. It wasnít hot, but not ice cold, either.

On point of 5, he has $200 line + $800 odds. Loses. Re-buys for $2000. Mumbling, mumbling, etc, I can tell heís gambling in over his head. ĎOMG, whatís wrong with this tableí. This guy hasnít been playing very long or has selective memory bc itís not even that bad of a table.

He puts down $100 pass bet, point of 5 again. He bets $800 odds. Itís on the felt.

I have a little debate in my head. Should I say something, not say something. I decide itís none of my f*cking business bc if he pulls off and wins, he can blame me; or he can add $100 to the line, which would be bad.

Itís a different dealer and box from earlier.

Sure enough, 7 out happens. Dealer moves in to take the entire bet. Instinctively, I say, he has more than max odds.

Dealer pauses. Looks at the bet for like 2 seconds, I can tell heís thinking. Then takes the entire bet and says, Ďthe rest are place betsí.

Again, I have a little debate in my head...Max, stay the f*ck out...Max, help this guy.

I tell the player, earlier they made a ruling inconsistent with this dealers ruling. I try to tell the dealer but he turns his head to ignore me, having locked up the players bet. I look at the player, gonna tell him to demand a pause and call the box from earlier. But the player is lost in his own despair.

So I think, if this guy canít help himself, thatís his own problem.

All this was less than 10 seconds.

I look up and to my left about five feet away is the box from earlier. I think he was watching the argument. He gave me a sly smile, said to me, Ďhowís your day going?í

Day going well, thanks.

I cash out $402 on my $200 buy in, just place betting.

Doing well.
FleaStiff
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September 17th, 2018 at 10:58:17 AM permalink
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Doing well.


No. You are not doing well at all.

Dealer pissed off with you for arguing over a dollar... I don't blame her.

Problem with someone else's stack of chips.... keep your yap shut.

Problem with your stack of chips.... learn your lesson.

If you truly think there is an error, state your case then shut up. Accept the ruling quietly or else leave quietly.

You seem to enjoy skating on thin ice all the time.
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:02:09 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

No. You are not doing well at all.

Dealer pissed off with you for arguing over a dollar... I don't blame her.

Problem with someone else's stack of chips.... keep your yap shut.

Problem with your stack of chips.... learn your lesson.

If you truly think there is an error, state your case then shut up. Accept the ruling quietly or else leave quietly.

You seem to enjoy skating on thin ice all the time.



Wow. I think this was an undeserved dressing-down, Fleastiff. I read it very differently than you, I guess.

I'm pretty appalled at Choctaw throwing back over bets on wins but taking over bets on losses. Sounds like the guy thought he had $200 on the PL both times.

And I cheer you on, klimate, having even the impulse to make the casino play fair and consistent. I call out underpays all the time on other players, especially the Trips bet on UTH. People don't see their own flushes and straights, or get paid for trips on the board when they have the FH, AND the dealer "misses" them when going fast.

I have to say that nearly always the underpay was accidental, not deliberate.( Shame on Choctaw again.) You're durn tootin I'm going to stop that stuff when I see it. And I appreciate any other player who sees them and calls them out, too.

Going the other way, I used to see dealer hands before the dealer did on PGP. Still do 20 years later, but I keep my mouth shut these days. It's the casino's job to determine their own hands.

However, I still won't take overpays, unless it's going to screw someone else if I say something. Part of the reason I prefer 1st base. You get paid last, and most places won't back it up, so I can usually fix mine if I need to without interfering with other people's pays.
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:11:03 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

No. You are not doing well at all.

Dealer pissed off with you for arguing over a dollar... I don't blame her.

Problem with someone else's stack of chips.... keep your yap shut.

Problem with your stack of chips.... learn your lesson.

If you truly think there is an error, state your case then shut up. Accept the ruling quietly or else leave quietly.

You seem to enjoy skating on thin ice all the time.



Lol. Puhleeze. Woke up on wrong side of the bed today?

If I get taken for $1, Iím gonna speak up. I donít care if itís $1. If youíre the kind of person who allows someone to steal $1 from you, then youíre weak.

And Iím going to speak up when someone else is getting ripped off.

If youíre a player, youíre pathetic.
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September 17th, 2018 at 12:46:48 PM permalink
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Lol. Puhleeze. Woke up on wrong side of the bed today? youíre pathetic.

Yes, I am but I ain't in a tribal police cell awaiting a session before a tribal judge and only allowed a tribal lawyer.

I've said it before: "If you are in Oklahoma, save up your money and take a trip to a real casino".

Sure I remember one time, eons ago, when I bought in for eighty dollars and when the dealer was pushing my stack out to me, the base dealer at the other end who had assumed I bought in for one hundred dollars called out "Short Stack". Yes. I appreciated that very much. The dealer was loud and clear and wrong but he was standing up for a player he thought was getting pushed a short stack. That crew got tipped very well that day.

Also eons ago a dealer wanted me to throw him a white. Well, jack I wasn't a goin to do it until he told me WHY. It was only one dollar but I wanted to know what was up and I didn't particularly care how fast the table was at the time either. Yes, only one dollar but how long does it take him to say why he wants my dollar.

If you point out errors point them out to the crew, not to other players because you never know how another player will react or misinterpret things. I would not have been happy standing at that table and seeing and hearing what was going on there but I would not pick fights over inconsistent treatment of breakage or overage.
klimate10
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September 17th, 2018 at 1:32:53 PM permalink
I can handle myself.

I think I was quite measured and fair in the way I handled things. And I did exactly as you recommended. Iíve been through a few rodeos.

I didnít explode or start a scene. I will say something when I see an obvious wrong.
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September 17th, 2018 at 2:46:56 PM permalink
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I've said it before: "If you are in Oklahoma, save up your money and take a trip to a real casino".



As an Oklahoman and a gambler I can confirm this is sound advice.
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September 17th, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM permalink
Again, fellas. I agree with you guys 100%. I would normally never gamble at this rip off joint. I was only there for a trip report.
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September 18th, 2018 at 11:25:53 AM permalink
This site does try to be AP friendly, no? Where is the admonishment for playing a rip-off game? How was the Big 6 wheel?
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September 18th, 2018 at 2:50:39 PM permalink
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This site does try to be AP friendly, no? Where is the admonishment for playing a rip-off game? How was the Big 6 wheel?

Let's not knock the Big Six wheel. Its a tradition. That is like knocking the twin monkeys at the entrance to an herb garden. Its tradition.
The Big 6 wheel was the usual Carney come-on for rubes who didn't know how to play anything else. It was simple and always near the entranceway.

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