TigerWu
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Mission146
March 10th, 2018 at 9:31:37 AM permalink
Quote: TumblingBones

Mohegan is not bad.



Oh, yeah, I always forget Mohegan and Foxwoods are Indian, and they seem to be pretty good.

Now that I think about it, I think the main problem with Oklahoman casinos just has to do with our horribly stupid and archaic state laws regarding gambling, and not the Indian aspect.
Mission146
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March 10th, 2018 at 11:59:47 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

This casino will blow it out of the water if they make it more upscale than the frikin Sugarhood...



(Emphasis Added)

That was a good one, though I must admit I really like the casino aside from the location. Why do they need to swipe your players card for free beer at the bars, any idea? They don't really seem to care about your action and I don't believe they swipe it on the floor.

Anyway, I like the color scheme, the service seems pretty good there (imo), Hugo's is decent, the food court isn't bad. Plenty of room in the parking garage. What's there not to like about SugarHouse itself?
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Mission146
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March 10th, 2018 at 12:20:19 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu



Now that I think about it, I think the main problem with Oklahoman casinos just has to do with our horribly stupid and archaic state laws regarding gambling, and not the Indian aspect.



The revenue distribution with the state, (effectively a tax, except they are not part of the state) also plays a factor. Tribal casinos are not compelled to pay any fees t the state for Class II games whereas Class III games have fees paid based on a sliding upward scale:

$1-$10,000,000---4%

$10,000,001-$20,000,000---5%

$20,000,001+---6%

Which encourages the use of Class II Electronic-Bingo devices, of course, especially for comparably high-returning games such as Video Poker. Not only do the hands not need to (and, indeed don't) correspond to the true probabilities, but the casinos also do not need to pay a fee on the Class II devices.

I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but I do know that the majority of overall machines in Oklahoma are Class III machines.
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March 10th, 2018 at 3:11:56 PM permalink
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So does that mean they can turn it into sovereign land as well? Or is this just them owning a business on US soil?



Sovereignty is an entirely different chestnut. You can have a case of a tribal casino on tribal land, as it is with the Senecas in Buffalo and Niagara Falls, but there was a separate fight for the land status. Simply building an "Indian business" on English land does not make said land suddenly "Indian Country". Seneca Niagara Falls parking garage and exterior businesses are on "English land", despite their connection to the casino, which IS on tribal land.

It gets confusing, especially as we have the only rez with an English city inside it. But rest easy knowing all of this matters to but a few folks behind the scenes moving money around. You cut up in my joint and you were being escorted by English 5-0 to an English jail to await English court. No surprises.
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March 11th, 2018 at 6:58:16 AM permalink
they actually still say "English" and not "US" or "Federal"?
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March 11th, 2018 at 8:04:45 AM permalink
Quote: WatchMeWin

Its always a good idea to sell when things are great! Lets hope the buyer doesnt get stuck holding the bag.... then again... who really cares. There is supposedly a new casino coming to Philly near the stadiums (Parx is part owner and Maryland Live, I believe). This casino will blow it out of the water if they make it more upscale than the frikin sugarhood and harrahs chester. Right off of I95 and next to the sports stadiums in a gambling city with NJ and NY customers! OMG.. this may become the top grossing casino in the country. I cant wait. If they get sports betting too.... forgetaboutit!

Do they have hot or cold tables?

Why don't you set up some online sports accounts and amass a fortune?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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March 11th, 2018 at 11:36:46 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Quote: WatchMeWin

This casino will blow it out of the water if they make it more upscale than the frikin Sugarhood...



(Emphasis Added)

That was a good one, though I must admit I really like the casino aside from the location. Why do they need to swipe your players card for free beer at the bars, any idea? They don't really seem to care about your action and I don't believe they swipe it on the floor.

Anyway, I like the color scheme, the service seems pretty good there (imo), Hugo's is decent, the food court isn't bad. Plenty of room in the parking garage. What's there not to like about SugarHouse itself?



Whats not to like? Maybe the fact that they shuffled up on me every round until i left. I told them they couldnt do that because they are manipulating the odds, which is illegal. They disagreed and said thats the only thing they can do to people like me. So i guess trespasses and backoffs are illegal in PA. Good to know. Not to mention of course, theyre also playing with fire by shuffling every round. They can get sued for that if someone takes it up on them. Shuffling every round manipulates the odds to the casinos advantage which is clearly illegal.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Mission146
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March 11th, 2018 at 11:42:37 AM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG



Whats not to like? Maybe the fact that they shuffled up on me every round until i left. I told them they couldnt do that because they are manipulating the odds, which is illegal. They disagreed and said thats the only thing they can do to people like me. So i guess trespasses and backoffs are illegal in PA. Good to know. Not to mention of course, theyre also playing with fire by shuffling every round. They can get sued for that if someone takes it up on them. Shuffling every round manipulates the odds to the casinos advantage which is clearly illegal.



Trespasses are certainly NOT illegal in PA as I am persona non grata at one casino and previously was at another.

As far as shuffling up, I’d have to look at the gaming code to determine whether or not they can do that. I’m honestly not sure, but I don’t see how it would manipulate the odds...just returns the game to, “Off the top,” Odds...unless they’re doing it selectively. If they’re always doing it, don’t see why that wouldn’t be allowed.

As a counter, you’d know more about that than I do. The only thing I can say with authority is that trespasses are definitely not illegal in PA.
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ZenKinG
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March 11th, 2018 at 11:57:56 AM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Trespasses are certainly NOT illegal in PA as I am persona non grata at one casino and previously was at another.

As far as shuffling up, I’d have to look at the gaming code to determine whether or not they can do that. I’m honestly not sure, but I don’t see how it would manipulate the odds...just returns the game to, “Off the top,” Odds...unless they’re doing it selectively. If they’re always doing it, don’t see why that wouldn’t be allowed.

As a counter, you’d know more about that than I do. The only thing I can say with authority is that trespasses are definitely not illegal in PA.



I was trespassed only once in PA but through the mail at Mt Airy in the Poconos. Im saying maybe it is illegal but that doesnt stop the casinos from bluffing you just like in Vegas
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
Mission146
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March 11th, 2018 at 12:03:03 PM permalink
Quote: ZenKinG

I was trespassed only once in PA but through the mail at Mt Airy in the Poconos. Im saying maybe it is illegal but that doesnt stop the casinos from bluffing you just like in Vegas



Feel free to PM me for details, but I’m 100% sure it’s legal. Further, I don’t think they’d create a written record (mail) of an illegal act.
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