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May 24th, 2021 at 12:48:38 PM permalink
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More than that, and this could be faulty memory, but I want to say that most office buildings and workplaces either never allowed smoking to begin with, or alternatively, had a separate break room for that purpose.


That’s just not true. People were smoking in conference room meetings, at their desks and anywhere in between. Numerous articles discussing that.
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May 24th, 2021 at 1:45:55 PM permalink
Fact is, people will still gamble whether they are allowed to or not. Fact that the majority of people who visit the casinos are non-smokers, just doesn't make sense to continue allowing a small percentage of people to ruin a positive experience for the guests. People didn't stop flying because they could no longer smoke on planes or stopped playing poker, or dine at restaurants or even inside bars and nightclubs.

Its time to just get rid of the stinking smoke.
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May 24th, 2021 at 2:42:54 PM permalink
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That’s just not true. People were smoking in conference room meetings, at their desks and anywhere in between. Numerous articles discussing that.



I don't mean, "NEVER,"---people wonder why I usually try to write so specifically. It's because you can't even have a casual conversation without getting nitpicked. Anyway, I thought that I implied that most office buildings were that way even prior to state smoking bans. If not, I certainly meant to imply that.

Hell, I even said that it could be, "Faulty memory," in that post! I'd already covered your objection!
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
Mission146
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May 24th, 2021 at 2:47:28 PM permalink
Quote: Vegasrider

Fact is, people will still gamble whether they are allowed to or not. Fact that the majority of people who visit the casinos are non-smokers, just doesn't make sense to continue allowing a small percentage of people to ruin a positive experience for the guests. People didn't stop flying because they could no longer smoke on planes or stopped playing poker, or dine at restaurants or even inside bars and nightclubs.

Its time to just get rid of the stinking smoke.



That post is purely a matter of opinion, so I have no real objection. It also states no direct opinion as to what state, or other, Governments should be doing or not doing.

In short, I am NOT exactly defending smoking to continue in casinos, and even if I would, it would be a lukewarm defense. I am defending that casinos should have the option to allow smoking as far as Government is concerned.

Finally, I'm defending the smokers themselves as they are only doing what the property permits them to do, which the property, in theory, could stop them from doing at anytime.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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May 24th, 2021 at 3:17:52 PM permalink
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Do strip clubs allow smoking ,or night clubs? If so there goes the kids allowed arguments.



In New Jersey, no.

The only places you can smoke inside in NJ are:

• Hotels, motels or other lodging establishments may permit smoking in up to 20% of guest rooms;
• Within the perimeters of casino gaming areas, and casino simulcasting facilities;
• Registered cigar bars or lounges that in calendar year ending December 31, 2004, generated 15% or more of total annual gross income from the sale of tobacco products;
• Tobacco retail establishments whose primary activity (51%) is the retail sale of tobacco products and accessories and the sale of other products is incidental.


The one exception is there are bars and clubs in casinos that allow smoking in NJ by claiming they are "part of the casino floor" usually by having a handful of machines, but outside of casinos, no.


However, in many other States, you can still smoke in bars and adult clubs.... In some cases the bar must only be open to those above 21 and the majority of revenue is from alcohol (I guess to prove it is an adult only establishment), but these law vary by State.

The State I currently live in (GA) you can smoke in bars and restaurants as long as all employees are over 18. I am not sure about adult clubs, not my thing, but I would imagine if you can smoke in restaurants with an 18+ staff, you can probably smoke at adult clubs (a quick Google search confirmed that you can). You can even smoke in nursing homes. (Of course its at the discretion of the property owner to allow, ban, or only allow in certain areas). And, in areas of professional employment the employer can designate indoor smoking areas as long as it is physically separated from the main office. Local cities have the ability to add additional restrictions.

I would say the southeast and Texas tend to have very liberal smoking laws compared to other parts of the country that I have lived or spent time in. NJ and CA seems to have the strictest smoking laws.

Nevada has exemptions as well for most adult activities, casinos, bars, adult clubs, and brothels are exempt from smoking restrictions.

But, there is generally a trend that smoking is for adult areas (bars, clubs, restaurants for 18+ people etc....) and that adult oriented businesses should be the ones to decide how to restrict smoking. '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans_in_the_United_States
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May 24th, 2021 at 3:23:11 PM permalink
I think we should move to ban smoking in cigar bars.

The health of the employees depends on it.

I’ll ask him, if he ever takes the stogie out of his mouth.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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May 24th, 2021 at 6:09:43 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

That post is purely a matter of opinion, so I have no real objection. It also states no direct opinion as to what state, or other, Governments should be doing or not doing.

In short, I am NOT exactly defending smoking to continue in casinos, and even if I would, it would be a lukewarm defense. I am defending that casinos should have the option to allow smoking as far as Government is concerned.

Finally, I'm defending the smokers themselves as they are only doing what the property permits them to do, which the property, in theory, could stop them from doing at anytime.



Lung cancer is not an opinion.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
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May 24th, 2021 at 6:46:15 PM permalink
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Lung cancer is not an opinion.

I don't care if people smoke BUT why are some of them so Fing rude .. I mean they blow their smoke right in my direction or allow the burning smoke from end of the cigarette to drift right in my face..than when I wave my hand like a fan to keep the smoke away from me they get even more agressive with the smoke .. and women are the worst offenders. IMO
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May 24th, 2021 at 9:04:25 PM permalink
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Lung cancer is not an opinion.



Neither is getting hit by a bus.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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May 24th, 2021 at 9:06:08 PM permalink
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I don't care if people smoke BUT why are some of them so Fing rude .. I mean they blow their smoke right in my direction or allow the burning smoke from end of the cigarette to drift right in my face..than when I wave my hand like a fan to keep the smoke away from me they get even more agressive with the smoke .. and women are the worst offenders. IMO



That is absolutely a fair criticism of some smokers.

Of course, when I did smoke, I wouldn’t have been smoking around you guys (if you were there first) because I’d have asked if it would bother you and you’d have politely answered in the affirmative.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219

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