RoulettePhysics
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April 18th, 2016 at 11:18:57 PM permalink
Hi, one new to the forum. Is anyone here and advantage play in Atlantic City, and interested in a possible partnership or collaboration? Specifically it is for the application of roulette advantage play.
The only way to beat casinos is to increase accuracy of predictions. You can't change payouts, but you can change odds with "advantage play".
GWAE
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April 19th, 2016 at 12:56:12 AM permalink
Do tell. Would be interested to hear about a roulette system.as long as it is not past posting.
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darkoz
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April 19th, 2016 at 2:04:33 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Do tell. Would be interested to hear about a roulette system.as long as it is not past posting.



The OP mentioned in another thread about wheel clocking and/or bias.

Generally those are not viable anymore (if they ever were) as the casinos keep strict monitoring of their wheels to avoid those.

Secondly, the number of hours required to clock wheels (only to find, whoops, that one is solid, gotta spend another week clocking another set of wheels) is ridiculous.

Third, if an AP team found a set of bias roulette wheels in AC or anywhere, that is info they definitely wouldn't share with you. At that point, they wouldn't need a partner and if they did, they would find someone who they are familiar with.

You are unfortunately on your own but I personally wouldn't waste my time.
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April 19th, 2016 at 3:10:29 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

The OP mentioned in another thread about wheel clocking and/or bias.

Generally those are not viable anymore (if they ever were) as the casinos keep strict monitoring of their wheels to avoid those.

Secondly, the number of hours required to clock wheels (only to find, whoops, that one is solid, gotta spend another week clocking another set of wheels) is ridiculous.

Third, if an AP team found a set of bias roulette wheels in AC or anywhere, that is info they definitely wouldn't share with you. At that point, they wouldn't need a partner and if they did, they would find someone who they are familiar with.

You are unfortunately on your own but I personally wouldn't waste my time.



Oh I wasn't going to waste any time. Was just curious how bad the system was.
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MathExtremist
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April 19th, 2016 at 3:31:44 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Generally those are not viable anymore (if they ever were) as the casinos keep strict monitoring of their wheels to avoid those.

Secondly, the number of hours required to clock wheels (only to find, whoops, that one is solid, gotta spend another week clocking another set of wheels) is ridiculous.

Right -- the software exists to detect bias long before any human could, and if the casino is on top of things the wheels will be maintained before it's detectable by players. I wouldn't count on biased or poorly maintained equipment to beat roulette. You're going to need to focus on some combination of visual ballistics and/or sloppy dealer signature in order to beat the game without cheating or collusion.

For what it's worth, the roulette computers that the OP sells are entirely illegal in Nevada and I wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot croupier's paddle. In fact, even offering to sell them is probably illegal under Nevada statute:
Quote: NRS 465.075  Use or possession of device, software or hardware to obtain advantage at playing game prohibited.

It is unlawful for any person to use, possess with the intent to use or assist another person in using or possessing with the intent to use any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device, or any software or hardware, or any combination thereof, which is designed, constructed, altered or programmed to obtain an advantage at playing any game in a licensed gaming establishment or any game that is offered by a licensee or affiliate

If I were a DA, I'd say that selling someone a roulette computer is "assisting someone in possessing a computerized device with the intent to use it to obtain an advantage in roulette."
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RoulettePhysics
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April 19th, 2016 at 5:50:11 PM permalink
MathExtremist, actually a well trained human can detect a bias well before any bias analysis software could. One example is the player could spot a wheel/rotor wobble visually, after a rotor has just been interchanged. Combinations of spindles (shafts)/bowls of the wheel and rotors can be a bad combination to cause a bias. A smart bias player can spot this before the casino has enough data to properly assess bias. The player's statistically data would also be inconclusive, EXCEPT they have the added information of the wobble and can see the high point on the rotor. So they know, with reasonable accuracy, where the bias may occur. This makes short term data more plausible. There's a lot more to it but I can send you full details for free on these kind of methods. Honestly the professional players are a bit ahead of wheel manufacturers and casino staff, because they're the ones working harder to uncover edge. I wasn't referring to roulette computers. The method I'm referring to is similar to visual ballistics, although more versatile.
The only way to beat casinos is to increase accuracy of predictions. You can't change payouts, but you can change odds with "advantage play".
RoulettePhysics
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April 19th, 2016 at 5:56:04 PM permalink
No its not past posting, wheel gaffing etc. We don't "cheat".

A lot of people in this industry dont believe it, but we can beat just about any wheel design. I've gotten as high as 130% edges on Huxley mk7 and Cammegh traditional wheels in near new condition with computers. With other methods it is usually between 5-15% edge. Even two of the same wheel model, off the factory floor, can exhibit very different patterns and predictability. I'm not asking anyone to believe it. I'm not here to prove anything but can in private if anyone really wants to know, not on the forum.
The only way to beat casinos is to increase accuracy of predictions. You can't change payouts, but you can change odds with "advantage play".
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April 21st, 2016 at 3:31:14 AM permalink
Quote: RoulettePhysics

No its not past posting, wheel gaffing etc. We don't "cheat".

A lot of people in this industry dont believe it, but we can beat just about any wheel design. I've gotten as high as 130% edges on Huxley mk7 and Cammegh traditional wheels in near new condition with computers. With other methods it is usually between 5-15% edge. Even two of the same wheel model, off the factory floor, can exhibit very different patterns and predictability. I'm not asking anyone to believe it. I'm not here to prove anything but can in private if anyone really wants to know, not on the forum.

Assuming this stuff works....

How often can you find a 5-15% advantage.(it's probably very rare). Once (IF EVER) you find something How long on average does it last?

Assuming you find something I assume they quickly toss you out.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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