Atlantic City Open Forum
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI understand what you are saying. Procedure for the sake of procedure is important in casinos. I guess, my point is, I don't think that this was the procedure at these places, because the floor seemed ok with it too.
As far as not calling surveillance, I'm not sure of the reason, but they don't seem to like to do it here. I play in several casinos and I've never actually seen it done to resolve a dispute. I do have to say that, as a player, I prefer if these things can be resolved quickly.
Agreed, with a caveat...."quickly and CORRECTLY" :)
But no, I am not a shot-taker. I would never try to trick a dealer into paying me when he shouldn't.
Quote: onenickelmiracleTom, you're describing what I've heard called "playing manager".
Obviously by long time dealers who hate their jobs :)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo then what should happen? Specifically, the dealer completes a 5-card hand, announces some value which is different than the one he has, and quickly collects the bets and the cards. I protest, but by this time the cards have been collected and are in the discard pile. Now what?
I've only ever seen one of two things happen:
1. The dealer backs up the cards, calls the floor over, and the floor approves the corrected pay-outs, or
2. The dealer calls the floor over, who tells the dealer to back up the cards, which he does. The floor then approves the corrected payouts.
In other words, the dealer either backs up the cards without being asked to by the floor, or does so after being asked to by the floor. I've never seen this situation handled in any other way. What would be done at your casino?
3. The dealer calls the floor and the FLOOR backs up the cards.
Quote: 1BB3. The dealer calls the floor and the FLOOR backs up the cards.
This is ideally, exactly how it should happen yes but on many occasions I have seen the dealer back up the cards with the floor standing right there. The floor will then ask the dealer is they are sure this was what the board looked like.
If the dealers says yes, then the floor will handle the dispute from there, if the dealer says "no" well then it ususally gets knocked up to the eye.
Remember there are other things too, such as bet sizes that needs to be worried about. I certainly will NOT take a players word for it when he says, yeah I had $400 up.......whatever dude :)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceReally? I've never once seen the floor touch the cards. That's what dealers are for.
At Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun the dealer must stop the game and call the floor. The floor has some discretion on how to rectify the situation. He can pay the complainant, reconstruct the hand or call surveillance. I've seen all three but the reconstruction of the hand is the one that is almost always used. This is always done by the floor. I have never seen a dealer do it.
Going to be staying at Borgata soon on a Sunday/Monday (scored a nice room deal)...I'm assuming the mins will be $10 for craps, $15 for blackjack, and $25 for mini-baccarat...can anyone confirm that?
Also, I know I asked a while back, but I've always wanted to play midi-baccarat but the minimums were always $50+ in AC and that's too high for me. Do any of the Marina casinos (Borg, GN, or Harrah's) ever offer it at $25 at off-peak times these days?
Quote: silversonic2006Changing topic for a moment...
Going to be staying at Borgata soon on a Sunday/Monday (scored a nice room deal)...I'm assuming the mins will be $10 for craps, $15 for blackjack, and $25 for mini-baccarat...can anyone confirm that?
Also, I know I asked a while back, but I've always wanted to play midi-baccarat but the minimums were always $50+ in AC and that's too high for me. Do any of the Marina casinos (Borg, GN, or Harrah's) ever offer it at $25 at off-peak times these days?
Just bumping your post ,I can't answer but I am interested in the accurate answer.
Good question, thus far, this thread has been "flame free"
Quote: silversonic2006Changing topic for a moment...
Going to be staying at Borgata soon on a Sunday/Monday (scored a nice room deal)...I'm assuming the mins will be $10 for craps, $15 for blackjack, and $25 for mini-baccarat...can anyone confirm that?
Also, I know I asked a while back, but I've always wanted to play midi-baccarat but the minimums were always $50+ in AC and that's too high for me. Do any of the Marina casinos (Borg, GN, or Harrah's) ever offer it at $25 at off-peak times these days?
Borgata offers mini bacc at both $20 and $40 min bets. During the week you will find $20 mini bacc. They also have one midi-bacc table that is always either $60 or $100 minimum. GN doesn't have midi-bacc, in fact last time I was there they didn't even have any baccarat game going. I haven't been in Harrahs Asian pit in years so I don't know what they have.
You should easily find $10 craps and $15 blackjack at Borgata.
Ed
Quote: BuzzardStacey moved cards and said so eye in sky could see what the total was. By thel pips. The Asian girl asked. " What are pips ?".
And that is why we must never allow dealers to take matters into their own hands :)
Should be fantastic what with the fixed decks of cards. Just gotta be sure they don't stiff and backroom ya. Lotsa luck in court.Quote: Dicenor33Golden Nugget became a hot spot for baccarat. Unfortunately, their tables are at a $100 min. , but never the less, great players, wonderful pit, a lot of action.
Curious if 3-card poker payouts have changed back to their old paytables as well..
Thanks!
Quote: edwardhou1anyone been to the Borgata recently and can provide an update on any changes to the table games/DEQ progressive?
Curious if 3-card poker payouts have changed back to their old paytables as well..
Thanks!
We'll be there in a couple weeks, I'll post back up.
Quote: bwThe DEQ progressive has been removed from all the table games except from 3 card poker. Word has it that it will be removed from 3 card soon, but nobody has been willing or able to tell me when.
Thanks, so I presume that it is anyone's guess if the better 3-card paytable will ever return.
Quote: bwThe DEQ progressive has been removed from all the table games except from 3 card poker. Word has it that it will be removed from 3 card soon, but nobody has been willing or able to tell me when.
The 3-Card tables had notices on them this weekend about removal of the progressive bet. Think they said it was going to happen over the next 30 days but really don't remember for sure.
Quote: silversonic2006Changing topic for a moment...
Going to be staying at Borgata soon on a Sunday/Monday (scored a nice room deal)...I'm assuming the mins will be $10 for craps, $15 for blackjack, and $25 for mini-baccarat...can anyone confirm that?
Also, I know I asked a while back, but I've always wanted to play midi-baccarat but the minimums were always $50+ in AC and that's too high for me. Do any of the Marina casinos (Borg, GN, or Harrah's) ever offer it at $25 at off-peak times these days?
There's one 5 dollar min BJ table in the pit closer to the Amphora lounge.
Just make sure you don't count or they'll take everything away from you like they did to me.
Quote: Lemieux66There's one 5 dollar min BJ table in the pit closer to the Amphora lounge.
Just make sure you don't count or they'll take everything away from you like they did to me.
Lemmy, you mean they took your money????? I have no idea what happened but counting is not illegal AND they cannot even back you off!??!?!?!
I'm sure there is more to your story but I just thought I would put these two facts out there.
Quote: TomspurLemmy, you mean they took your money????? I have no idea what happened but counting is not illegal AND they cannot even back you off!??!?!?!
I'm sure there is more to your story but I just thought I would put these two facts out there.
The only thing Nj casinos can "take away" from a player they suspect of counting is comps, free rooms, etc. Also, Borgata doesn't give a shit if its shitty, H17, 8-deck, 50% penetration $5 game is counted, so Lemieux is exaggerating.
Quote: sodawaterThe only thing Nj casinos can "take away" from a player they suspect of counting is comps, free rooms, etc. Also, Borgata doesn't give a shit if its shitty, H17, 8-deck, 50% penetration $5 game is counted, so Lemieux is exaggerating.
I jump from pit to pit. Borgata, for those who don't know, have two different blackjack sections that are a very short walk from each other. If I was in the mood to take risks, I joined the 25 dollar no-mid shoe 6 deck game. I find these games super high risk but I did it. I counted obviously. Sometimes I went to the other pit with the shittier rules but I wonged out. I alternated depending on my mood and bankroll.
You know what I think? And this happened to a friend of mine. I think REVEL and Borgata talk to each other. About 6 months ago my friend was playing in the high limit area at Revel. Big bets. Counting. He was playing alone. He won about $700 at the end of it. Later on, he found out Borgata banned him. They "found out" he was an Advantage Player. I mean he did do some counting at Borgata, but it was not that often(he likes Valley Forge and Foxwoods much more).
My first instance of heat was a week and a half ago at Revel and the next day I got hundred dollar capped and one handed at Borgata at a 10 dollar table. Now they took everything. I mean I really do think Revel squeals to Borgata.
Quote: Lemieux66Later on, he found out Borgata banned him. They "found out" he was an Advantage Player.
Not to harp on this but all the casinos in AC are not allowed to ban you for card counting. All they can do is make the game unplayable (shuffle after each hand, flat bet, limit the amount of spots).
You said that they "took everything". Do you mean you lost all yoru money not being able to spread or they physically removed you from the property and took all your money away from you?
Quote: Lemieux66Oh and yeah they took everything from me. I had 323 dollars in comps that I'm sad about. I'm gonna miss those buffets. Now I have to get the 5 dollar buffet at Trop that's 5 dollars for good reason. I mean I could still play poker at Borgata but I need comp rooms and not getting any rewards for playing just takes away all reason go there.
So you meant they took all your comps not your physical cash?
Quote: TomspurSo you meant they took all your comps not your physical cash?
No they didn't take cash. They took room offers, current comp dollars, matchplay, and the ability to earn future anything from them.
Quote: Lemieux66Honestly, I only miss the 5 dollar rooms, matchplay, and buffet. The poker game is rarely ever good and the blackjack is mostly garbage.
If I were you I would find greener pastures. I know that isn't easy in your situation as AC is an easy commute from you but the place really isn't worth the hassle, unless you have a sterling poker game in town that you can crush on a semi permanent basis.
Surely there are now enough casinos around for you to look further afield? What about the casinos in the Catskills?
I have seen them ask someone sign something saying it was ok for them to 86 them.
Quote: BozMy question is how does anyone earn $323 in comps anywhere in AC playing BJ. He must have been able to play at a very high level for a long long time to have that amount available, assuming after using some. The rates earned are very low at every property in AC and most comps given to high level card players are discretionary from hosts. not actually earned at the table. So if this person if banned, which we question based on NJ rules, had a hell of a run for a while and the casino took care of him before this "banning".
You guys aren't paying attention. I'm not "banned" in the traditional sense of the word. I can still go back and play. I just won't because I can no longer earn anything there. No rooms, comp dollars, matchplay. They also took all of these things away from me. So in a way I'm banning myself from going there because there is no point.
I mostly got the 323 from playing 1/2 and a bit of 2/5 NL.
Quote: Lemieux66You guys aren't paying attention. I'm not "banned" in the traditional sense of the word. I can still go back and play. I just won't because I can no longer earn anything there. No rooms, comp dollars, matchplay. They also took all of these things away from me. So in a way I'm banning myself from going there because there is no point.
I mostly got the 323 from playing 1/2 and a bit of 2/5 NL.
I am paying attention and the more attention I pay, the less sense this makes. While there are always exceptions, AC casinos don't sweat red chip blackjack play. They just don't. The Borg doesn't get a call from Revel about a red chip player and take immediate action. That's not the way it works. Banned means trespassed. You were not banned because AC does not ban APs. Sure, they can get creative and say you were disorderly or some such thing. I won't say it's never happened but it is extremely rare.
I've been paying attention to your first posts here two months ago. Back then you said you had a $2500 bankroll, you spread 1-6 at either $5-$30 or $10-$60 depending on how you feel and you play the poor 8 deck H17 games. You say Revel gives 80% penetration on the 8 deck games. They do not. How are you a threat to the casino? Based on this, your comps didn't disappear because of AP play. You even said you lost $2000 at Revel.
I assume that you don't have a host so go to the Player's Club and discuss your comps with a representative. If you get no satisfaction ask for a supervisor. Non APs who have lost their comps at Revel got them reinstated doing just that. You have nothing to lose. You probably have nothing to lose by playing rated either. Try it and see where it goes. I think we can all agree that a skills check wasn't ordered for you. You were probably dealing with a couple of jerks. That's all.
Quote: 1BBI am paying attention and the more attention I pay, the less sense this makes. While there are always exceptions, AC casinos don't sweat red chip blackjack play. They just don't. The Borg doesn't get a call from Revel about a red chip player and take immediate action. That's not the way it works. Banned means trespassed. You were not banned because AC does not ban APs. Sure, they can get creative and say you were disorderly or some such thing. I won't say it's never happened but it is extremely rare.
I've been paying attention to your first posts here two months ago. Back then you said you had a $2500 bankroll, you spread 1-6 at either $5-$30 or $10-$60 depending on how you feel and you play the poor 8 deck H17 games. You say Revel gives 80% penetration on the 8 deck games. They do not. How are you a threat to the casino? Based on this, your comps didn't disappear because of AP play. You even said you lost $2000 at Revel.
I assume that you don't have a host so go to the Player's Club and discuss your comps with a representative. If you get no satisfaction ask for a supervisor. Non APs who have lost their comps at Revel got them reinstated doing just that. You have nothing to lose. You probably have nothing to lose by playing rated either. Try it and see where it goes. I think we can all agree that a skills check wasn't ordered for you. You were probably dealing with a couple of jerks. That's all.
I guess I need to start from the beginning:
I began counting about 6 months ago(before I posted on this site) at borgata. My style was very rough and rudimentary. I was able to keep count, but I sometimes messed up and at that point made rough estimates about where I was at and bet. I didn't bet much because well I didn't have much and I was nervous about losing. Plus I wasn't confident. I knew virtually nothing about deck penetration or specific house edges depending on the rules etc. The very first night I won $600 and clearly felt like a champion. I also never bet at a negative count and only bet on positive counts which obviously pissed people off but I don't care about them.
Over time, my skills, knowledge, and bankroll improved. I also started to make friends in the poker room who also counted. We sometimes combined buy ins to take shots at the 25 s17 no mid shoe game. Usually 250 each. Sometimes my card. Sometimes his. We were pretty much perfect because when one guy messed up the other one had it. So technically we got looked at more because we were now green chipping it. We basically always did well. If we had 500 on the table and count warrants it, we bet the 500. Got some notice as you might imagine.
I still played by myself at times as well. I took some big losses. A few hits that were over 1k. It happens. I was counting and I just kept losing on great counts. It happens. They just happened to notice I was betting huge on good counts. That also got attention. I got kind of tired recently of the huge swings(I have a solid roll, but the swings of the game even in great counts backed me off of huge bets. I can go broke for sure) So my new thing, and I enjoy this more, is to just look around for new shuffles and watch a little bit. If the RC gets really positive(like +10 or better initially. It can get lower as the shoe gets deeper. I try to start betting at high RC so I can actually play a series of hands in a row. Not just get one or two hands in and bounce.
The problem is Borgata started keeping track of me when I was betting huge. I called Borgata on Saturday asking what happened(and denying to high heaven that I was a counter lol) and they said they were tracking me "for months". So I think that's where all my heat came from.
Quote: Lemieux66You guys aren't paying attention. I'm not "banned" in the traditional sense of the word. I can still go back and play. I just won't because I can no longer earn anything there. No rooms, comp dollars, matchplay. They also took all of these things away from me. So in a way I'm banning myself from going there because there is no point.
I mostly got the 323 from playing 1/2 and a bit of 2/5 NL.
I have to ask, how many hours did you play in the Poker Room to earn $323 in comps?
Quote: BozI have to ask, how many hours did you play in the Poker Room to earn $323 in comps?
I believe Borgata comps $1 an hour for 1-2 and $2 an hour for 2-5.
Quote: sodawaterI believe Borgata comps $1 an hour for 1-2 and $2 an hour for 2-5.
1.50 an hour for 1/2. It was some blackjack mixed in as well as giving the friend who originally got banned from borgata a dollar an hour for playing 2/5 on my card.
Quote: Lemieux66giving the friend who originally got banned from borgata a dollar an hour for playing 2/5 on my card.
Good thing he didn't hit the BBJP while he was logged in to the system under your card. That would have been a mess.
A man threatened to kill another passenger on a Greyhound bus in Atlantic City early this morning, police said.
Lt. Rodney Ruark told the Press of Atlantic City that Dwayne Dantzler, 30, of the Bronx, threatened a 27-year-old passenger with a gun. Dantzler allegedly demanded the passenger hand over money and his cellphone, and threatened to "blow off his head" if he didn't, police said.
Dantzler never showed a gun but the victim, who was not identified, suffered a small facial laceration during a struggle, according to The Press.
Dantzler was charged with robbery, aggravated assault and making terrorist threats. He is being held at the Atlantic County Justice Facility on $100,000 bail.
Seven other passengers were on the bus and are not cooperating with police, the newspaper said. The bus was taken out of service to search for evidence.
http://www.nj.com/atlantic/index.ssf/2014/04/mann_arrested_on_greyhound_bus_in_atlantic_city_after_threatening_to_kill_another_passenger.html
Recent Caesars AC Review where the customer was robbed of their cell phone in the LOBBY while taking pictures right after check in. Yes, this could happen anywhere but as a frequent customer of this casino you can see how the lack of security encourages this stuff. Cuts in all departments have created an environment where late at night on the 2nd floor there are more homeless sleeping and other shady looking people milling around than players in the off season. Based on what happened here the thief had to run down steps, past slots and then past valet and should have been on camera multiple times and is probably known to AC Police. I wonder if CZR even gave the tapes to them?
While crime is not the only reason for their problems, they continue to wonder why revenues are dropping and people are staying closer to home or making the trip to Las Vegas instead of AC.
The biggest of the fines went to Harrah’s. They were hit with $70,000 for failing to properly staff security at all times. From November 2012 through May 2013, there were numerous occasions in which the casino did not meet the minimum standards for security.
According to regulators, the casino often gave security officers duties other than those they were expected to perform. For instance, roving security guards were sometimes assigned to fixed locations instead. Perhaps more significantly, the casino also failed to bring in additional help when security officers called in sick.
Read more: http://www.casino.org/news/atlantic-city-casinos-fined-over-100000-for-violations#ixzz30NQ7plFM
- some interesting AC/Vegas revenue per visitor #'s - vs other gaming destinations:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/05/01/is-it-time-to-own-china-in-your-portfolio.aspx
I learned something though. Using red chips to ramp up bets in a green chip game is a dead giveaway. I met another counter there who knew what he was doing so I just followed his lead(he was Asian though so I assume he draws less attention). I need to cool it at Trop because the poker game is good there and I can't have my comps snatched there too. Ill be virtually SOL in AC if this happens after the borgata incident.
