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cclub79
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February 17th, 2010 at 7:00:11 AM permalink
They really shut the table every time it was hit? Even just 4 points? I've been at tables in AC and personally won on the 5 points, (I think I've only seen the 6 and not cashed myself), and they never stopped the action. (Maybe a minute for the 6, just because of the high payouts and Orange and purple going out to several people.) Seems silly, since they don't do that if someone hits 4 or 5 points when they are the same. Or if someone gets on a hot streak and the fire bet isn't on the table...It's funny that they'd think the WORST bet on the table would be the one being manipulated if someone could cheat the house. It should be the last bet to tamper with.
DJTeddyBear
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February 17th, 2010 at 7:34:20 AM permalink
Quote: cclub79

They really shut the table every time it was hit?

Just for hitting all 6. And you're right, it wasn't long. Less than 5 minutes.

But it was long enough for people to fear that the inerruption itself killed the continuation of the hot streak. And plenty long enough particulrarly for people that didn't place the FireBet bet and weren't waiting for anything other than the action to resume.
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February 17th, 2010 at 8:07:01 AM permalink
Casino Managers - a breed that shows common sense isnt common any more. Yes it is a sweeping generalisation, and there are a few good ones, but they are few and far between.

Personally, after the points had been hit 3 times I would have surveillance watching the table already in real time, if they were not already doing so, negating the need for table closures, and any problems could be communicated to the pit.

I may be over simplifying matters, my experience coming from working in a small casino where apart from continuously recording cameras, the only live surveillance is the Dealers, Inspectors, and Pit Bosses.
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DJTeddyBear
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February 17th, 2010 at 8:47:01 AM permalink
I only saw it once - and I wasn't at the table.

But I *think* the delay might have been partially due to paperwork. I.E. Swipe everyone's player card, tax forms, etc.

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On the flip side, my wife won $12,000 at Let It Ride and the table was shut for about 30 minutes.

I was next to a poker table that hit a Bad Beat jackpot. That took close to an hour!

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Of course, I guess each casino is different when it comes to those kinds of delays due to paperwork procedures.
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cclub79
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February 17th, 2010 at 8:54:52 AM permalink
Yeah, I did forget that it's a 1000 for 1 on 5 bucks so it's like a slot machine I guess. Probably the same thing for a Carib Stud Jackpot. Again, that would make it less about the eye in the sky thinking something fishy is going on and more about all the IRS and whatnot. Especially since it's one of the few times there are a lot of players that win a "jackpot" at the exact same time. But that's only for all 6. If they make you do the IRS dance for 5 points (which they didn't do when I hit it), since a 5 dollar bet pays $1250, I think I'll bet $4 max.
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February 17th, 2010 at 9:20:27 AM permalink
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If they make you do the IRS dance for 5 points (which they didn't do when I hit it), since a 5 dollar bet pays $1250, I think I'll bet $4 max.



Not sure, and maybe somebody else can comment on it, but I think the $1200 W-2G 'threshold' only applies to slots. For table games the threshold is some kind of ratio between amount bet and amount won.

For example, if you bet $600 on a hand of blackjack and win $1200, you're not going to get a W-2G.
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DJTeddyBear
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February 17th, 2010 at 9:28:30 AM permalink
Yep.

When my wife hit her Straight Flush at Let It Ride, she got a W2-G just for the jackpot portion. I.E. The couple thousand she won off that $1 side bet.

Even though it makes sense, I still think it's odd.

It was a single hand, but the W2-G was for only part of the bet.
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cclub79
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February 17th, 2010 at 9:30:02 AM permalink
Now that I think again, I believe it has something to do with being a 300 to 1 payoff or more, from my days hitting Pick 6's at the track. Be careful with Electronic Table Games. I split and doubled at a PA Casino and won more than $1200, even though the bet was $280 I believe, and they made me fill out the form. First, I didn't even WIN $1200, I was PAID $1680 on a bet of $840, but they said those were the rules. I was quite angry, and they said "Yeah, they are talking about changing it..."
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February 17th, 2010 at 11:30:25 AM permalink
Speaking about irrational casino behavior, get this:

At Cache Creek Casino in Yolo County, CA, they play craps with dice and cards. They have two decks of 36 cards; each card has a picture of a dice combination. The deck represents "the perfect 36". One deck is in the shuffling machine while another is dealt from, one card in a blue square and one in a red square. The red die has only 4s and 1s, the blue die 3s and 2s. The "shooter" rolls the dice; if the red die has the higher number, the red card is turned over, giving the result, else the blue card is turned over. Each deck is used just once, so there is no "replacement" issue.

They started this game in 2004, IIRC. When I first played there, they dealt the two cards into the boxes, then the dice were rolled and the appropriate card turned over. Fine. Once you got used to not trying to interpret the dice as the result, it was just like regular craps, a bit slower. Assuming the shuffling machine truly randomizes the cards, the dice roll is just a way to get the players involved and make it closer to real craps. Even if the shooter could control the dice, he/she wouldn't know which card was more advantageous to pick. Even if the shooter could somehow know what the two cards were, the dice are still random. However:

A year or so ago I went out there, not having been for several months. Now, when they dealt the two cards, they put them both face down in the red square with a red plastic card covering them. After the dice roll, the stick moved the red plastic card, moved the top card into the blue square, and turned over the card "pointed to" by the higher die.

I asked the box when they started doing that, and he said, "We've always done that." I said, "No, you haven't; I was here when the game opened and you used to deal the cards directly into the two boxes." He said that the casino management got paranoid and didn't want the players to be able to see the tops of the cards before rolling the dice!
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February 17th, 2010 at 11:56:44 AM permalink
I have hit the fire bet for 5 a couple of times, and it didn't slow it down but for a minute or 2. and no w2g. But hit 6 in Tunica and it took a long time to get the w2g and paperwork filled out, but the table was rolling after a couple of minutes(they wanted to get some money back). I think that either 5 or 6 people had hit it.

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