What is the edge with these rules?

Hi, i checked the wizard calculator out but it assumes more than one split wich is not the case at my casino unfortunately. I found another one but with that i'm not sure if a *loss* of splits and doubles is accounted for (again a rule that my casino enforces).

Here is the link:

http://www.beatingbonuses.com/bjstrategy.php?decks=8&soft17=stand&doubleon=any2cards&peek=ace&surrender=no&opt=1&btn=Generate+Strategy

The complete set of rules are as follows:
*8 Decks
*Dealer stands on all 17's
*Double Down on any first two cards
*Split on any pairs
*Only one split
*Only one additional card for split Ace's
*No DAS
*Insurance offered when Dealer shows Ace
*Dealer only peeks at Ace's
*Double Down's and Split's are lost when dealer hits BJ

If the calculator is right all i need to know basically is if i should add onto the percentage the losses of Double Down's and Split's and by how much. It seems like i'm getting a shitty deal here and i'm considering taking my business elsewhere. This is an online Casion.

Thank you.

House edge = 0.7097%.

Quote: teliot

House edge = 0.7097%.

So the calculator was enough? What about losing all double downs and splits?

Quote: Billy1337bob

So the calculator was enough? What about losing all double downs and splits?

How does the dealer "peek" on an ace, but you lose your double downs and splits? If the dealer peeks then you haven't played your hand yet...?

Also there's a setting on the Wiz's calculator for losing all your extra bets (doubles/etc) on European dealer BJ.

Because he doesn't peek on a 10.

Where is this setting?

Quote: Billy1337bob

Because he doesn't peek on a 10.

Where is this setting?

ENHC is the setting, for "European No Hole Card", which includes you losing all amounts on splits and doubles.

Not sure there's a setting on the calculator for peeking on Aces but not on Faces.

I would take teliot's calculation based on your rules quote as defining. He's an expert.

Welcome to the forum.

Quote: beachbumbabs

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HC is the setting, for "European No Hole Card", which includes you losing all amounts on splits and doubles.

Not sure there's a setting on the calculator for peeking on Aces but not on Faces.

I would take teliot's calculation based on your rules quote as defining. He's an expert.

Welcome to the forum.

Do you mean this: https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/

How do you know it's assumed that all bets are lost (and where do i see the edge %)? The original link was the most complete but i really think that it assumes BJ from the 10 upcard returns the doubled bets. Surely it must influence the edge % of the house that it doesn't.

I also think it seems rather high that the % is at 71 when i would've guessed it to be somewhere around 50. Is it the lack ofnDAS that makes such a big leap?

Thank you :)

Quote: Billy1337bob

Do you mean this: https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/calculator/

I meant this:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/calculator/

But I think it's changed a little from the last time I looked at it. There was a yes/no type option for ENHC on the one I was referencing.

This one doesn't account for peek/no peek options directly, so I still don't know what can be calculated from peek Aces but not 10's as you say this casino does.

Quote: Billy1337bob

Because he doesn't peek on a 10.

Where is this setting?

I 100% refuse to believe you play in a casino that peeks on an A and not on a T and takes all splits/doubles on a dealer BJ with T.

If you don't check under Aces *or* Tens for BJ, then H/A = 0.7177%. If you check under Aces for BJ, but not Tens, then H/A = 0.7097%.

Quote: teliot

If you don't check under Aces *or* Tens for BJ, then H/A = 0.7177%. If you check under Aces for BJ, but not Tens, then H/A = 0.7097%.

Sure but if you just lose your original bet vs two of them that has to have some kind of influence aswell.

For an Ace the only hands this rule could possibly apply to are 8/8 vs A, A/A vs. A and 11 vs. A. It follows that the answer from beatingbonuses.com must be very close to exact, even if it doesn't account for the difference between how Aces and Tens are treated.

Take a moment to think about it and you will understand why this rule has such a small effect. .

Quote: teliot

For an Ace the only hands this rule could possibly apply to are 8/8 vs A, A/A vs. A and 11 vs. A. It follows that the answer from beatingbonuses.com must be very close to exact, even if it doesn't account for the difference between how Aces and Tens are treated.

Take a moment to think about it and you will understand why this rule has such a small effect. .

On the "wizard of odds" link provided by beachbumbabs under the "Player loses only original bet against dealer BJ" paragraph, with nothing else changed it jumps from 0.44686 to 0.55853 from yes to no wich is ~0.11%. Would it be correct to add this to the 0.71% or am i missing something here?

Quote: sabre

I 100% refuse to believe you play in a casino that peeks on an A and not on a T and takes all splits/doubles on a dealer BJ with T.

Sorry Sabre,
But he does. So do I.
European on-line live dealer rules at my casino of choice and others that I frequent. The OP is in Europe.