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July 13th, 2011 at 6:23:27 PM permalink
My trips to Vegas have been either 4 or 5 nights long. Each time I've wanted to stay longer. It's funny how my time sense works during a vacation, though. The first day seems eternal, the second nearly so, and the rest go by so fast I'd swear by my next-to-last day that much time can't have passed already.

Anyway, I'd like to stay anywhere from 8 to 14 nights next year. The problem, as usual, is cost. I know Strip hotels, and many off Strip including Downtown, have unbelievably high rates on the weekend. Sometimes you can wind up paying more for friday and saturday than for sunday through thursday.

So the question: assuming a two week stay (14 nigths), what options are there besides regular hotels?

I am looking at the hotels I know. if I stay 8 nights, I can likely swing the weekend rates at, say, MSS.

The other thing is I don't want to rent a car, so I'm looking for places either Downtown, on the Strip, or with either a frequent shuttle or very close to a bus stop. Other than that all I need is an in-room safe. I don't care about other amenities like pools, restaurants, parking and so on.

Any ideas?
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July 13th, 2011 at 10:01:55 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Anyway, I'd like to stay anywhere from 8 to 14 nights next year. The problem, as usual, is cost. I know Strip hotels, and many off Strip including Downtown, have unbelievably high rates on the weekend. Sometimes you can wind up paying more for friday and saturday than for sunday through thursday. So the question: assuming a two week stay (14 nigths), what options are there besides regular hotels?



Motel 8 will give weekly rates if you call and book early in the week. Around thursday they won't give them, because they are hoping to get higher priced day rates for the weekend. It's a little motel across from Mandalay Bay.

Candlewood Suites has weekly rates, but they are about a mile walk down Flamingo from the strip.


Budget Suites of America is on Tropicana.

Try El Cortez downtown. The rates will be higher on weekends, but it probably won't be bad for the week. You can save a lot of money on food which will be more important that room rates by the end of the week.
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July 13th, 2011 at 11:10:33 PM permalink
I would try the El C too. Not sure what your play is but on VP if you coin in around 3k a day they will comp the room (as of early this year).
Hard to do w/o a car but when LV was still getting big money we would hop down to Laughlin on the weekends.
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July 14th, 2011 at 2:28:51 AM permalink
Many visitors to Vegas seem to do very well splitting their time between two hotels, particularly for comped rooms. Yeah, I guess its a bit of a hassle to move but it seems to work out right for a good many people.

I know some people use those Siegel Suites for short term stays.

Beware El Cortez and its new policy of a 25.00 surcharge for the eight night stay. See the fine print on the web site somewhere.

Its true. Weekend rates are high and a mid week comp is easy to obtain but a weekend comp takes far more money.

I wish you luck but don't know any real solution to this. Now if you don't have a car you would truly be marooned at a place like Silverton/SouthPoint (I keep getting them mixed up) but they not only have 42 dollar internet rates but they often have these three day sales during which they offer rooms at half price. The sales are announced to their email list and internet ads. A place like Tuscany Resort might be fine for you but its off-strip location means its a hike to everywhere. SamsTown offers great shuttles but if you are off in the Boulder Strip area you better like it there.

Do you have any player history at a casino? If so, contacting a host there to discuss comped rooms just might be worth it to you. Many casinos don't like to comp stays past the four day mark though. Its worth a try.
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July 14th, 2011 at 7:35:57 AM permalink
Thanks everyone, especially Paco for the links.

Quote: Wavy70

I would try the El C too. Not sure what your play is but on VP if you coin in around 3k a day they will comp the room (as of early this year).



If I played that much, I'd be able to afford weekend rates anywhere. Typically I play $100 at VP until I either win enough or it's all gone. It's hard to spin that into $3k.

The other thing about El Cortez is the location. I don't mind staying Downtown, but I preffer the big cluster of hotels and shops on the other side; it feels a lot safer. But I appreciate the suggestion.

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Hard to do w/o a car but when LV was still getting big money we would hop down to Laughlin on the weekends.



Last time I rented a car was in Orlando in 06. The rate was very reasonable, and over 6 days I used less than half a tank. But the insurance is highway robbery. I've checked with my cedit card providers, and they don't offer rental car insurance abroad; neither does my car's insurance (it does if I drive the car to the US, but that's crazy). In fact, one thing I love about Vegas is the ease with which I can move baout using public transportation. I also like not having to drive, not worrying about parking, and not worrying about gas and such.

I think I'll wind up swallowing the weekend rates somewhere Downtown...
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July 14th, 2011 at 7:40:37 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed



The other thing about El Cortez is the location. I don't mind staying Downtown, but I prefer the big cluster of hotels and shops on the other side; it feels a lot safer. But I appreciate the suggestion.



El C isn't but about a block from the 'other side'.
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July 14th, 2011 at 7:47:06 AM permalink
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El C isn't but about a block from the 'other side'.



I know.

I also know I feel perfectly fine walking that way during the day, and that you can't get me to go there at night. Granted I don't engage in traditional "night life" activities, but I do go out at night. And so...
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July 14th, 2011 at 8:03:09 AM permalink
I stayed at Value Place for a little over a month while my company was getting offices set up. Here's a link:
http://www.valueplace.com/extended-stay-hotels/locations/Nevada/Las-Vegas-NV-Nellis-Air-Force-Base/

Was a little over two hundred a week, including Internet. Very basic room with very basic kitchenette. No safe; coffee maker was an extra charge (microwave was included, however). If you're just looking for a place to sleep and watch TV, it's great. Location might be an issue for you, though.
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July 14th, 2011 at 8:18:55 AM permalink
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Location might be an issue for you, though.



Just a little :) The lack of a safe hurts, too. But from a quick view at all these extended stay palces, it seems safes in rooms are not very common.
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July 14th, 2011 at 9:19:26 AM permalink
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The lack of a safe hurts, too.

That is a matter of personal preference. I've always felt that those "safes" are more a marketing tool than anything else. If a burglar gets in, he will go right for the safe. And if you have a stack of chips all you really have to do is color up and carry only a few of them.
Some people don't want to lose a laptop computer so they value the room safe, but its not all that safe.

You said 100.00 at a Video Poker machine until you've won enough or lost it all. If this is per day then I guess you won't be getting comped free rooms on the strip!
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July 14th, 2011 at 9:23:20 AM permalink
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Just a little :) The lack of a safe hurts, too. But from a quick view at all these extended stay palces, it seems safes in rooms are not very common.


I did a two-week stay last year at the Homestead Extended Stay place across from the hospital on Maryland Pkwy. It wasn't luxury by any stretch but it was clean and very affordable. No safe in the room, but there was a bus line and a grocery store about a mile away. I had a car but transit is workable. Walking anywhere wouldn't be, so if you want to be on or near the strip, this isn't it. For my part, the next time I come to Vegas for two weeks on business I'm probably not staying there. Most of the other clientele were people with family in the hospital. It wasn't a happy bunch.

Have you looked into the hotels just off Trop on the other side of I-15? I think one of those might be an extended-stay place. That's about as much of a walk as Rio <-> LV Strip, plus there's an In 'n' Out burger right across the street. :)
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July 14th, 2011 at 9:33:22 AM permalink
Do you require a casino hotel?

I've noticed regular hotel chains often have much cheaper rates on the weekends. What you could do is call the various chain representatives and negotiate two weeks. They are often happy to do this, as it is a guaranteed booking for a long amount of time. I don't know what you are willing to spend but you could start at around $200 a week.

I would try Super 8, Motel 6, Hampton Inn, Holiday Inn Express, Best Western, and the innumerable other middle-of-the-road chains.
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July 14th, 2011 at 9:40:03 AM permalink
I know I'm supposed to rule out hotels, but I would not overlook the Tuscany. The rates are quite reasonable and the rooms are spacious with kitchenettes. You can easily hop on the Flamingo bus for a short ride to the Strip.

Fellow admin MichaelBluejay always stays at short-term apartments near the SW corner of Paradise and Harmon when he is in town, which can be months at a time. Sorry, but I can't remember the name of the place. The Hard Rock is at the NW corner, by the way. There are lots of such places in Vegas, especially in that vicinity. If you PM him I think he could offer some good advice.
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July 14th, 2011 at 11:41:22 AM permalink
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No safe in the room, but there was a bus line and a grocery store about a mile away.



A mile is a bit too much in Vegas during the spring, while wearing high heels and a wig. I'd love to go in February or even March, but I don't think that's possible given the work season. Anwyay, I was thinking of a bus stop a block or so away.

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Have you looked into the hotels just off Trop on the other side of I-15? I think one of those might be an extended-stay place. That's about as much of a walk as Rio <-> LV Strip,



I'll look into it. Last year I shied away from the walk from Rio to the Strip, preffering to wait til 10 am for the shuttle.

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plus there's an In 'n' Out burger right across the street. :)



While I hope to be back to a "normal" weight range by then, you ought to be ashamed to bring that up while I'm on a diet :P
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July 14th, 2011 at 11:49:36 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Do you require a casino hotel?



No. I can gamble at a stand alone casino just fine ;)

Seriously, no I don't. Given the longer stay, I'll probably bring more money to gamble away, but not so much that I'd hope for anything beyond a meal comp if I'm lucky.

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I've noticed regular hotel chains often have much cheaper rates on the weekends. What you could do is call the various chain representatives and negotiate two weeks. They are often happy to do this, as it is a guaranteed booking for a long amount of time. I don't know what you are willing to spend but you could start at around $200 a week.



Good idea. I wonder if that would also work with a Downtown or Strip hotel. I'm aiming for a trip in April, which isn't usually the busy season. They might also consider a discount in exchange for a 14 night guaranteed stay.

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July 14th, 2011 at 1:00:19 PM permalink
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I know I'm supposed to rule out hotels, but I would not overlook the Tuscany. The rates are quite reasonable and the rooms are spacious with kitchenettes. You can easily hop on the Flamingo bus for a short ride to the Strip.



I remember your review of it, it was one of the first. If I recall correctly, it's on Flamingo about halfway from the Strip to Terrible's, right? That's a good location.

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Fellow admin MichaelBluejay always stays at short-term apartments near the SW corner of Paradise and Harmon when he is in town, which can be months at a time. Sorry, but I can't remember the name of the place. The Hard Rock is at the NW corner, by the way. There are lots of such places in Vegas, especially in that vicinity. If you PM him I think he could offer some good advice.



Thanks. I'll try that too.
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July 14th, 2011 at 1:52:51 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Thanks everyone, especially Paco for the links.



If I played that much, I'd be able to afford weekend rates anywhere. Typically I play $100 at VP until I either win enough or it's all gone. It's hard to spin that into $3k.



$3,000 coin in on a 25c VP is 2,400 plays.

If you ignore the Royal Flush (as I assume if you hit one, you'll stop), the pay back on average machine will be around 95c on the dollar. I reckon it would cost (on average) $150 to give $3,000 in action. I might sim this up later, as it raises an interesting question (in my head at least) on how often you'll lose more than $150 on 2,400 play day (that's 6 hours at 400 hands per hour, which is pretty intense in my book). Stop at the first Royal or when you hit 2,400 hands or when you lose $150.

I'm also curious from my own point of view to see how much it would cost me to give Boyd's enough action to get to the next level of comp card (which means free weekend rooms)... from the point of view whether I should concentrate my play there or not (I suspect my action is not even close even if I did concentrate it there).

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July 14th, 2011 at 2:11:44 PM permalink
The old DTC bus terminal was downtown and right across from MSS which made it very convenient. The new BTC that replaced it is a mile down the road, which means you'll change buses when going between the airport and downtown. Otherwise, the 106 stops right in front of MSS and the SBX/Deuce next to Binions will take you to the strip and back.

I generally find hotels outside of casinos expensive compared to those subsidized by a casino.

Most downtown hotels limit you to reserving 7 days at a time. I just completed a 10 day stay at MSS where I had three separate online reservations for 3-4-3 days and I would just go down to the front desk on checkout days and say "I'm in room xxx and I want to check out and back in". I had no issues.
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July 14th, 2011 at 2:14:56 PM permalink
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I'm also curious from my own point of view to see how much it would cost me to give Boyd's enough action to get to the next level of comp card (which means free weekend rooms)


Is that sapphire level? That would explain why my free nights are suddenly available on the weekends.
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July 14th, 2011 at 2:30:36 PM permalink
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$3,000 coin in on a 25c VP is 2,400 plays.

If you ignore the Royal Flush (as I assume if you hit one, you'll stop), the pay back on average machine will be around 95c on the dollar. I reckon it would cost (on average) $150 to give $3,000 in action. I might sim this up later, as it raises an interesting question (in my head at least) on how often you'll lose more than $150 on 2,400 play day (that's 6 hours at 400 hands per hour, which is pretty intense in my book). Stop at the first Royal or when you hit 2,400 hands or when you lose $150.



I won't say I understand all of that, but spending 6 hours playing VP makes it more like work than a vacation. I like VP, yes, but not so much as to play it that long. Ok, I assume it doesn't have to be 6 consecutive hours, but still...

Now, how about a multi-hand machine? I suppose your claculations are for hands played, regardless of whether it's one or ten at a time. The problem there is $0.25 times 5 times 10 = $12.50 You see why I usually gravitate towards dime machines... So, at$12.50 a pull, even with a good pay table, chances of running out of $150 are very, very good (that's my gut feeling).

I think I understand the math jusssst well enough to realize I don't really understand the math well at all (and isn't that Socratic of me?). So I guess it's possible I'm wrong and $150 is a perfectly good bankroll for a 10 play JoB for quarters. On the other hand my calculations show that if you need 6 hours to play 2,400 hands ona single play machine, you should need just 36 minutes to do the same on a ten play machine. That sounds so ridiculous, I'm sure it's wrong.

Anyway, my own Law about not playing for comps still applies. The way I see it is first play at the level you're comfortable with, then see what you can get in the way of comps for it. Now, if you can get a comp for playing a little more than you usually do, say 5% or so, then maybe you should do so. Otherwise you're spending dolalrs to get pennies, or that's the way I see it.
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July 14th, 2011 at 2:47:22 PM permalink
Nope, not stating that $150 is enough to play a 10 pull JoB machine... not least because I haven't taken into effect variance. The estimates I've seen suggest you need 3 times the bank roll for a 10 play machine. However, your expected loss on 10 play machine after 240 plays (at 10 lines per play) is exactly the same as 2400 plays on the same machine at 1 line per time.

My guesstimate was if you discount the Royal Flush (hence a 95% pay back machine as the royal is a good 2-3% of expectation) if you should be able to get somewhere close to expectation 50% of the time. %5 loss of $3,000 = $150. It's a guess, which is why I want to Simulate it to see if the rough guess was true.

But yes, you'll get $3,000 coin in on a 10 play machine 10 times faster than a single line machine at the same level (after all your betting 10 times as much). The 6 hours probably would have to be daily. Depends what the casino likes to see. I agree it's less like fun than entertainment, I was struck that $100 might be enough to get a significant amount of coin in.

I don't play for comps (I'd don't generate enough action in general, though have foolishly turned down comp dinners once), but as you say if it's close (like a hour or so), it'd be worth doing to get a discount on the weekend rooms at the Orleans. Once I run the numbers, no doubt it'll be clearer.
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July 14th, 2011 at 3:31:02 PM permalink
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But yes, you'll get $3,000 coin in on a 10 play machine 10 times faster than a single line machine at the same level (after all your betting 10 times as much). The 6 hours probably would have to be daily. Depends what the casino likes to see. I agree it's less like fun than entertainment, I was struck that $100 might be enough to get a significant amount of coin in.



Then it comes dow to what's more important: the coin or the time.

If I can cycle $3,000 with, say $500 coin in (ridiculous!) in an hour or so, well, it's not worth doing for a free night, but it is doable. Except for the buy in, since I'm estimating a $1,200 budget for next year. But the time sounds about right.

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I don't play for comps (I'd don't generate enough action in general, though have foolishly turned down comp dinners once), but as you say if it's close (like a hour or so), it'd be worth doing to get a discount on the weekend rooms at the Orleans. Once I run the numbers, no doubt it'll be clearer.



Good for you!

The only "comp" I've ever received was a half price buffet at the Sahara back in 08, and that was because the room they gave me wasn't ready. I also got "upgrade" to a Strip view room (I'm guessing, but the original room dind't look over the Strip).
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July 14th, 2011 at 4:09:49 PM permalink
Anybody else old enough to remember when Motel 8 was Motel 6 and for $6 you could get a clean bed, sheets, etc. Had to pay extra for a phone or tv in your room. LOL
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July 14th, 2011 at 5:58:36 PM permalink
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Anybody else old enough to remember when Motel 8 was Motel 6 and for $6 you could get a clean bed, sheets, etc. Had to pay extra for a phone or tv in your room. LOL


Not me, but I am probably the most lowest roller here; I will chance life and limb(believe it or not) for fair and low house edge. Shady places work for me; I want to WIN.
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July 14th, 2011 at 7:27:57 PM permalink
I stayed at the Crestwood Suites around the corner from the Rental Car Depot. The place was
OK, but had paperthin walls, and the whole atmosphere just seemed shady. The room was
about the size of a regular hotel room, maybe a bit narrower, but did have a refrigerator and
microwave ( I think ) jammed into it.

I stayed there when I needed a cheap place to stay on a Friday night. My family flew
in on Saturday and we stayed way out on the West side at Cliffs at Peace Canyon.

In a similar situation coming up, fortunately I was able to find a cheapie $ 29 rate
at Terribles for a Saturday night. I got an offer for that in the mail.
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July 14th, 2011 at 7:55:29 PM permalink
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In a similar situation coming up, fortunately I was able to find a cheapie $ 29 rate
at Terribles for a Saturday night. I got an offer for that in the mail.



That wouldn't be a terrible option (sorry). As I recall, the bus stops right accross the street, and you catch it very close to the Strip. I even have a player's card, though I've never played there.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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July 15th, 2011 at 12:08:28 AM permalink
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Fellow admin MichaelBluejay always stays at short-term apartments near the SW corner of Paradise and Harmon when he is in town, which can be months at a time. Sorry, but I can't remember the name of the place. The Hard Rock is at the NW corner, by the way. There are lots of such places in Vegas, especially in that vicinity. If you PM him I think he could offer some good advice.



Holiday Royale $185/week for a studio apartment.

Holiday Royale is an “Oldie but Goodie”; the original building was built in 1959; the newer part in the 1970s. What makes it good is the management and maintenance staff. The staff, especially Kathy, is “small town friendly”. It is very close to Hard Rock and several restaurants and convenience stores. But it is also about ½ mile directly in line with McCarran Airport’s two north south parallel runways. Landing planes fly about 200 feet over the property. These are alternate runways used mainly by corporate jets. The noise is not constant, but it can be loud.

Security is good. No crime on property, but crime is outside the perimeter, mostly late night.

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Personally, I feel better at the El Cortez, but I doubt you'll get El Cortez for $185 for the week.

That little hotel across from Mandalay Bay should come in at around $185.
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July 15th, 2011 at 6:59:20 AM permalink
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Holiday Royale $185/week for a studio apartment.



Thanks again.

I've come across some really good options, but one big problem with these palces seems to be none have room safes. Some mention safe deposit boxes in the front desk, ro equivalent, but that's a problem given what I expect of my ID situation for next year. The good thing is there's plenty of time yet.

BTW I've been pondering April of next year. So it's still early to get a rate. But I did a quick flip through Epedia yesterday, and was surprised to find really high rates. IP at $50 per day, for example. So I ask now: is april a bad time to visit Vegas? Meaning is it more crowded than usual, is it vacation time in america, etc?

I don't have to go during April at all, and I can swing any time between late April and late June. I was considering the weather, which I expect to be somewhat cooler in April than May or June, and some symbolic reasons of my own.
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:02:12 AM permalink
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Anybody else old enough to remember when Motel 8 was Motel 6 and for $6 you could get a clean bed, sheets, etc. Had to pay extra for a phone or tv in your room. LOL



Me! My father practically insisted on the Motel 6 in Redding CA on our many two-day drives between LA and Seattle. There was never a price posted on the sign so I assume it was $6. When they finally did get away from fixed pricing I recall the prices still being in the single digits.

I can also recall those vibrating bed machines. For years I nagged my father to spring for a quarter to turn it on. Finally, I wore him down and against his protests produced a quarter from his coin purse, dropped it in the slot, and turned the lever. I must say I was very disappointed. While I expected to be massaged to a blissful state, instead the mattress noisily vibrated like an electric razor for a few minutes. There was no pleasure in the experience at all. What a jip!
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:31:12 AM permalink
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What a jip!



funny story of the day!

That's how they made all their money, the room was cheap but those quarters started to add up! [g]
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:43:23 AM permalink
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I can also recall those vibrating bed machines. For years I nagged my father to spring for a quarter to turn it on. Finally, I wore him down and against his protests produced a quarter from his coin purse, dropped it in the slot, and turned the lever.



My dad never allowed himself to be worn down. When he had enough he stopped talking and started yelling. If that dind't work, he made use of his hands...

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I must say I was very disappointed. While I expected to be massaged to a blissful state, instead the mattress noisily vibrated like an electric razor for a few minutes. There was no pleasure in the experience at all. What a jip!



And that's when you learned inserting money and pulling a lever never leads to any kind of long term payoff, right? This was the moment you knew slots were really one-armed bandits, right? :)
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:44:21 AM permalink
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Me! My father practically insisted on the Motel 6 in Redding CA on our many two-day drives between LA and Seattle. There was never a price posted on the sign so I assume it was $6. When they finally did get away from fixed pricing I recall the prices still being in the single digits.

I can also recall those vibrating bed machines. For years I nagged my father to spring for a quarter to turn it on. Finally, I wore him down and against his protests produced a quarter from his coin purse, dropped it in the slot, and turned the lever. I must say I was very disappointed. While I expected to be massaged to a blissful state, instead the mattress noisily vibrated like an electric razor for a few minutes. There was no pleasure in the experience at all. What a jip!



And thus the Wizard was made. A vibrating bed not giving him his expected value. It probably took him a few years to realize the positive expected value of the quarter when there was a woman in it (not that I would know)! :)
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July 15th, 2011 at 8:03:40 AM permalink
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Holiday Royale is an “Oldie but Goodie”; the original building was built in 1959; the newer part in the 1970s. What makes it good is the management and maintenance staff. The staff, especially Kathy, is “small town friendly”. It is very close to Hard Rock and several restaurants and convenience stores. But it is also about ½ mile directly in line with McCarran Airport’s two north south parallel runways. Landing planes fly about 200 feet over the property. These are alternate runways used mainly by corporate jets. The noise is not constant, but it can be loud.



Thanks, yes, that is the name of it. I never stayed there but visited several times. I can vouch that when a plane does the odd south-bound landing it is very loud. Like that scene in Wayne's World where they were laying on the hood of their car. Front desk staff is indeed very friendly and helpful. They remembered me, or at least claimed to, based on a short chat about six months in the past. Access is protected by a gate, but I wouldn't necessarily trust everyone who stays there. MichaelBluejay is rather picky about budget accommodations, and if he keeps coming back there must be good reasons.
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July 15th, 2011 at 8:08:26 AM permalink
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MichaelBluejay is rather picky about budget accommodations, and if he keeps coming back there must be good reasons.



Maybe it has a bike rack ;-)
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July 15th, 2011 at 10:48:08 AM permalink
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So I ask now: is april a bad time to visit Vegas? Meaning is it more crowded than usual, is it vacation time in america, etc?


Spring and fall are expensive times compared to winter and summer. Summer is cheap because it is hot. Winter can be cheap because it's cold and December is especially cheap because of the holidays. There are sporting events in the spring like March madness that brings in the crowds. Many colleges and schools have spring break making it popular vacation for the college students or families. Any particular week can be expensive if there is a large convention in town.
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July 15th, 2011 at 11:10:44 AM permalink
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Spring and fall are expensive times compared to winter and summer.



I've been in May and always got really good rates. once I got under $20 a night at IP, last year an average of $45 plus tax at Rio, including a Friday night. I really wanted to go in April. I think I'll wait and see how the rates develop. many hotel sites won't give me April rates now, some don't even ahve an option for booking in april. I think 6 months out rather than 10 will provide a clearer picture anyway.

If not, then I'll have to go in May.
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July 15th, 2011 at 6:32:54 PM permalink
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That wouldn't be a terrible option (sorry). As I recall, the bus stops right accross the street, and you catch it very close to the Strip. I even have a player's card, though I've never played there.

Thanks for the suggestion.



Re Terrible's:

Have you ever given any thought to getting a Las Vegas Advisor membership
for one year ? They have a deal right now where you get $ 100 loss rebate
at Terrible's. An LVA membership is about $ 40, but you can get that back
easily enough on buffet coupons, mostly 2 for 1's.
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:12:22 PM permalink
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So I ask now: is april a bad time to visit Vegas?



I don't know if it's more crowded than normal, but last year I was looking at going in April and was similarly discouraged by the high prices. I decided to push the trip back a month or two and saw a decent reduction for June & July pricing. Unfortunately, then the wife lost her job and it became prudent not to travel.
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July 15th, 2011 at 7:46:39 PM permalink
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Have you ever given any thought to getting a Las Vegas Advisor membership for one year ?



It's not very appealing:

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An LVA membership is about $ 40, but you can get that back
easily enough on buffet coupons, mostly 2 for 1's.



When you travel alone, like I do, 2 for 1 coupons are useless.

Much of the rest seems to be coupons for a percentage or a fixed amount off nice restaurants. Again, when traveling alone going to a nice restaurant is not very enjoyable. And some more 2 for 1 coupons for shows...

The loss rebate at Terrible's is appealing, but I'm not sure it's worth spending $40 on it. Thanks anyway.
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July 15th, 2011 at 8:46:29 PM permalink
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I don't know if it's more crowded than normal, but last year I was looking at going in April and was similarly discouraged by the high prices.



I'm beginning to realize just that <sigh> I'll just have to move my birthday to May then ;)

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I decided to push the trip back a month or two and saw a decent reduction for June & July pricing. Unfortunately, then the wife lost her job and it became prudent not to travel.



Sorry to hear that. I hope things have turned around or will do so soon.
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July 17th, 2011 at 1:24:39 PM permalink
I've done some rather intensive research online over the past two days, including many of the alternatives mentioned in the thread.

When considering all my requirements, including price, in-room safe, overall safety and easy access to public transportation, my best options, surprisingly for me, are the big chain hotel casinos. Extended stay places are cheaper, but lacking in easy access.

So now I'm pondering a ten night stay at either Fitzgerald's or MSS. The best deal money-wise with reasonable access to transportation is the Gold Coast, but there's no in-room safe.

I'm very picky about a safe. I'm very careful of valuables and documents when I travel. Normally a safe deposit box at the front desk or the cage would be good enough, in some ways it's even safer, but I'm apprehensive about having to show an ID that doesn't match my appearance every time I need to access the box, ergo the room safe. I think I won't have any problems most times, but one time might be enough to land me in trouble, at least according to my overactive imagination ;)

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July 17th, 2011 at 1:54:12 PM permalink
We all have priorities in life. If you value a room safe highly then so be it.
There are private lockboxes in Vegas but the time and expense of getting to them for a short term rental is absurd.
So MSS is probably your best bet because the gambling, food and booze are good there and its very pleasing from a decoration standpoint.
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July 17th, 2011 at 4:42:54 PM permalink
MSS has a nice buffet. The 'Tez stopped their buffet about a year and a half ago. The prime rib is good at the MSS. Gambling rules are good at both places.

I actually like the local places around the 'Tez. There is a new Mexican club on a side street called El Agave, and there is a piano bar, and some other nightclubs. If you are nervous they have their own private walkway to Las Vegas Blvd.
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July 17th, 2011 at 5:12:20 PM permalink
It's still early and I'll have to set up comparison tables and such. I'm looking into other Downtown properties as well.

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MSS has a nice buffet. The 'Tez stopped their buffet about a year and a half ago. The prime rib is good at the MSS. Gambling rules are good at both places.



Rates are marginally higher at El Cortez, not to mention their website's stingy with information about the rooms. So I've put it way on the back burner.

As for MSS, the site won't allow reservations for more than 7 nights. I neither want to move to another hotel, nor go through a bureaucratic rigmarole of checking in and out the same day.

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I actually like the local places around the 'Tez. There is a new Mexican club on a side street called El Agave, and there is a piano bar, and some other nightclubs.



You're joking, right? :)

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If you are nervous they have their own private walkway to Las Vegas Blvd.



Would you call it well-traveled?
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July 17th, 2011 at 5:25:37 PM permalink
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It's not very appealing:



When you travel alone, like I do, 2 for 1 coupons are useless.

Much of the rest seems to be coupons for a percentage or a fixed amount off nice restaurants. Again, when traveling alone going to a nice restaurant is not very enjoyable. And some more 2 for 1 coupons for shows...

The loss rebate at Terrible's is appealing, but I'm not sure it's worth spending $40 on it. Thanks anyway.



No problem, just thought I would mention it. I think it is a good deal when
you are traveling with someone else to be able to take advantage of the
2 for 1's.
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July 17th, 2011 at 5:55:52 PM permalink
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You're joking, right? :)
Would you call it well-traveled?



No I'm not joking. The city has been trying to get some upscale places to settle into that street and move out the $1 stores and the check cashing places.

All six of these places are in the two blocks around the El Cortez
(1) Downtown cocktail Room
(2) Beauty Bar
(3) Don't Tell Mama Piano Bar
(4) The Griffin
(5) Azul Tequila - 111 N 7th St., (702) 476-6498. Live Latin entertainment!
(6) The Beat Coffee House - 520 Fremont St. (702) 686-3164. Neighborhood coffee house located inside the Emergency Arts building.




The walkway is by the sign in front of the building. You can see the palm trees that line the walkway. It's well lit, if not heavily-traveled.
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July 17th, 2011 at 6:22:08 PM permalink
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No I'm not joking. The city has been trying to get some upscale places to settle into that street and move out the $1 stores and the check cashing places.

(1) Downtown cocktail Room
(2) Beauty Bar
(3) Don't Tell Mama Piano Bar
(4) The Griffin



My apologies. I didn't doubt such places existed. I'm sorry the misunderstanding set you off on a wave of links and images.

I meant, you're joking when mentioning such places to me more or less in the nature of an inducement.

Let's try again: You're joking, right? :)


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The walkway is by the sign in front of the building. You can see the palm trees that line the walkway. It's well lit, if not heavily-traveled.



Hm. I thought you meant a long walkway all the way to the FSE. You see, I'm not much concerned about what there may be between the street and the hotel entrance, but rather the two blocks from where the bus stop is. And that really didn't look good at night. I still get the shivers when I think of walking from the Sahara monorail station to the hotel back in '08.

I'm trying to get a better look using Google street view, but the junior evil empire's map isn't very cooperative.
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July 17th, 2011 at 6:46:40 PM permalink
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No problem, just thought I would mention it. I think it is a good deal when you are traveling with someone else to be able to take advantage of the 2 for 1's.



Yeah, last time I traveled with a friend I promised myself never to do something like that again. It's a long story not worth telling. Let's just say I've yet to meet someone I'd be willing to travel with.
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July 17th, 2011 at 8:04:39 PM permalink
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Have you ever given any thought to getting a Las Vegas Advisor membership
for one year ? They have a deal right now where you get $ 100 loss rebate
at Terrible's.



Not to dis the LVA, but that Terrible's deal is open to everybody. Read my Terrible's review for more information.
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July 17th, 2011 at 8:08:38 PM permalink
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Not to dis the LVA, but that Terrible's deal is open to everybody. Read my Terrible's review for more information.



Then it's certainly not worth paying for :)
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