Fun and Frustration in Las Vegas

In case you haven't noticed we just posted a article about the prostitution scene in Las Vegas titled FUN AND FRUSTRATION IN LAS VEGAS -- A BUYERS GUIDE TO SEX IN SIN CITY. The article is by a new ghost writer with assistance from me.

A fair bit of work went into it and breaks into a topic we normally don't cover much here. I would be interested in comments, questions, and corrections, as always.

The question for the poll is what do you think about it in general? Multiple votes allowed. Thank you.

Quote: Wizard

In case you haven't noticed we just posted a article about the prostitution scene in Las Vegas titled FUN AND FRUSTRATION IN LAS VEGAS -- A BUYERS GUIDE TO SEX IN SIN CITY. The article is by a new ghost writer with assistance from me.

A fair bit of work went into it and breaks into a topic we normally don't cover much here. I would be interested in comments, questions, and corrections, as always.

The question for the poll is what do you think about it in general? Multiple votes allowed. Thank you.

You did not write about one of the biggest advantages of internet sites such as backpage
Just itself, very untrustworthy
but
There are sites with multiple reviews of individuals letting you exclude the fakes and determine the real cream of the crop
Kind of a consumer reports :-)

I voted that I prefer the other gender. Surely it goes both ways? Not that I know anything about finding one.

I think prostitution should be legal there, and I don't really understand why it isn't.

The article was interesting, but I don't have any interest in actually hiring a sex worker.

Quote: Mosca

The article was interesting, but I don't have any interest in actually hiring a sex worker.

Yeah. That's what a wife is for. :-)

Quote: beachbumbabs

I think prostitution should be legal there, and I don't really understand why it isn't.

Lots of people view gambling as moral and prostitution as immoral.

Whereas seeing the downside of both, I don't see why prostitution is considered the lessor.

Pretending either one is always a good thing for everyone is just baloney. Or likewise, bad.

Quote: terapined

You did not write about one of the biggest advantages of internet sites such as backpage
Just itself, very untrustworthy
but
There are sites with multiple reviews of individuals letting you exclude the fakes and determine the real cream of the crop
Kind of a consumer reports :-)

Thanks. The article did say that anybody could post a free ad in Craigslist or Backpage and that going that route is a gamble.

I've seen escort review sites just surfing around but don't know that much about them.

Quote: rxwine

Lots of people view gambling as moral and prostitution as immoral.

Whereas seeing the downside of both, I don't see why prostitution is considered the lessor.

Pretending either one is always a good thing for everyone is just baloney. Or likewise, bad.

I've always felt it's better for "vices" to be legalized so they can be regulated & taxed. People are going to gamble, exchange sex for money, or do drugs whether it's legal or not. Legalizing those things can make them safer.

Quote: rxwine

Lots of people view gambling as moral and prostitution as immoral.

I've said this lots of times but I believe if two consenting adults make a bet/deal/trade, then nobody should infringe on that right. I do believe in a proper amount of regulation to ensure safety and fairness.

Oh man, I can already see the other board blowing up with comments from Freddy and Larry about the article!!!

Quote: Wizard

I've said this lots of times but I believe if two consenting adults make a bet/deal/trade, then nobody should infringe on that right....

"Sex is a wholesome beautiful act between a man and the broad he's doin' it to." - Martin Crane (paraphrasing)

How about an article on the best spots for weed?

Interesting article. Especially the part about the women actually in the casinos. It sounds like just about all will be prostitutes. Of course that can't be the case but it begs the question, how do you identify someone willing to give it up for free?

I guess I'm the only prude on the board, but I thought the images (well, at least 1 of them) were a bit too graphic. I realize that the pictures are nothing more than what the Porn Slappers shove at you on the strip every day, but having a naked Jena on the Articles Main Page is out of place. I think, at least on the Main Page, there should be a more conservative pic and perhaps a warning for the <18 yo (years old -- not 18 yo's in a row!) crowd. (Ya, I know a warning would probably encourage young eyes to proceed, but at least everyone would know what they are getting into.)

However, once one clicks on the article, if you are not expecting to see such images, you should at least not be surprised by them.

I checked "writing looks familiar"

also hearing a rumor that a frequent article contributor* had his girlfriend break up with him recently. Hmmm.

*not mentioning any names!!!

who is Juicy Jennie? pic?
no more love for Angie Varona?

One thing that the author sort of mentions but should explain further is that with any prostitute, you don't get actual sex. You get a bored, jaded woman allowing you to masturbate with the aid of her body for a few brief minutes. If you consider human interaction to be part of having sex, you'll find that missing here.

About the only positive to Vegas paid sex is that you probably have a lower chance of getting trick-rolled than almost anywhere else. That isn't to say, though, that you won't be deprived of your money through perfectly legal means. The author does go into detail about the ways the women (definitely NOT "girls," usually) get you to think with your dick. You will resent your dick thirty minutes later (or fifteen--or five) when you realize it has spent $1000 for you. You will also be disgusted with yourself when you realize you could have saved that $1000 by masturbating instead of picking up the phone.

For that matter, unless you're in a huge hurry and/or terminally unattractive, it's easy to hook up with someone in Vegas. Everyone's there to party. A few drinks, some pleasant conversation, and hey, why not. Let's dance. And whatever experience you get that way will be far, far superior to what you get by calling a Craigslist ad hooker.

I vividly remember one exception to the above, many years ago. I won something like $3500 at the craps table and decided to call an escort service. Thirty minutes later, a quite attractive blonde girl in her late 20s showed up. She didn't rush things and was actually a bit chatty. She told me she worked as a DJ at an LA radio station and was a "weekend warrior": someone who drove up to Vegas on the weekend to act as a freelance prostitute. She said she hadn't been doing it for long, but in the two days she was in Vegas, she would make twice what she made at her regular job. She said she wanted to buy a BMW and at the rate she was going, would earn enough for it in about a year. She also said that while she actually enjoyed being a part-time hooker, she wouldn't want to do it for very long, as she would burn out. Smart girl.

So my advice to anyone would be to use freelancers if you must. No middleman, and at least some chance of having a bit of human interaction rather than paying $1000 to have "sex" with a slightly animate blow-up doll. Or better still, spend $20 at a casino bar and pick up someone who's looking for casual sex just like you are. Vegas has to be the easiest place on the planet to do that, with the possible exception of the Island of Nubile Drunk Girls on Vacation (no one will tell me where that is, though, and I'm sure it would be hard to book a room there).

Living in vegas since 1990 I have been to many strip clubs (I even found a few lucrative advantage plays in the clubs) not once have any of the stripers indicated she was a working girl, nor has there been any female customers that seemed to be working. I'm certain the strippers and security would run a working girl out. I'm not saying it never happens I just don't think it's that common. I can usually spot a hooker a mile away.

I have known quite a few strippers over the years they actually don't like working girls in their clubs and would get them fired. It wouldn't take long for the other girls to sniff a working girl out.

I myself briefly dated a stripper prior to her starting and shortly after. Young sweet and Innocent going in, a year later she was a completely different person.

I know a few Advantage players who have spent a disproportionate amount of time in strip clubs courting the girls (some successfully even leading to marriage and or long term relationships). Again I haven't got the impression there's lots of prostitution going on in strip clubs(obviously there's some.) I would bet there's a 50x better chance at finding a hooker at the SLS main bar or the Hard Rock.

Hookers oftentimes run in pairs or even 3. If you're tempted to take on 2 or 3 you better have your money, wallet AND Rolex in a safe.

Be careful, I have bailed 3 friends out of jail for solicitation over the years.

I can't speak to accuracy, but it was a good article from what I can tell. Even if you never use the services, you always wonder about this stuff.

Craigslist secret brothel seems to be the way to go.

Women are -EV. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

"Women seem wicked when you're unwanted." - the doors

That was pre-great recession, before money was hard to get and all the girls were desperate. There is now sex in the champagne room now. They say the women have become much more forward, and I'm betting the heroin epidemic has lots to do with it.

Quote: AxelWolf

Living in vegas since 1990 I have been to many strip clubs (I even found a few lucrative advantage plays in the clubs) not once have any of the stripers indicated she was a working girl, nor has there been any female customers that seemed to be working. I'm certain the strippers and security would run a working girl out. I'm not saying it never happens I just don't think it's that common. I can usually spot a hooker a mile away.

I have known quite a few strippers over the years they actually don't like working girls in their clubs and would get them fired. It wouldn't take long for the other girls to sniff a working girl out.

I myself briefly dated a stripper prior to her starting and shortly after. Young sweet and Innocent going in, a year later she was a completely different person.

I know a few Advantage players who have spent a disproportionate amount of time in strip clubs courting the girls (some successfully even leading to marriage and or long term relationships). Again I haven't got the impression there's lots of prostitution going on in strip clubs(obviously there's some.) I would bet there's a 50x better chance at finding a hooker at the SLS main bar or the Hard Rock.

Hookers oftentimes run in pairs or even 3. If you're tempted to take on 2 or 3 you better have your money, wallet AND Rolex in a safe.

Be careful, I have bailed 3 friends out of jail for solicitation over the years.

Quote: billryan

How about an article on the best spots for weed?

When the citizens of Nevada wake up and realize what good business legal marijuana is for Colorado and Washington, I'd be happy to.

Quote: Wizard

When the citizens of Nevada wake up and realize what good business legal marijuana is for Colorado and Washington, I'd be happy to.

C'mon, they haven't with prostitution yet either and here we are!

Quote: Aussie

Interesting article. Especially the part about the women actually in the casinos. It sounds like just about all will be prostitutes. Of course that can't be the case but it begs the question, how do you identify someone willing to give it up for free?

I wish I knew. When I was single it took me six months of dating to get to second base.

Quote: Wizard

I wish I knew. When I was single it took me six months of dating to get to second base.

I'm willing to bet she was ready way before the six month mark.

Quote: Joeman

I guess I'm the only prude on the board, but I thought the images (well, at least 1 of them) were a bit too graphic.

I offered to Josh, the site owner, to make it more PG, but haven't heard back yet. In my defense, this is a site about Vegas so I think everybody should be able to take it that comes here. It also is duly noted that yours is the only vote for "Some images were too graphic."

A problem is that the title images for articles are supposed to be short and wide. Of all the hooker cards I gathered except Jena were tall and narrow. BTW, I was out there in the 109-degree heat on Monday afternoon gathering those cards. The things I do for you guys. I have several more images I didn't use, upon request.

Quote: Wizard

I offered to Josh, the site owner, to make it more PG, but haven't heard back yet. In my defense, this is a site about Vegas so I think everybody should be able to take it that comes here.

I've often wondered about this && the forum's language policy.

Quote: gamerfreak

I'm willing to bet she was ready way before the six month mark.

Ouch!!! To be honest, I'm quite sure you're right. I could have a lot more fun my single years if I weren't terrified of rejection.

Are you charging those whores to advertise here whose cards and numbers are on the site? They probably hooked 20 Johns already. The lonely men came here for info, next thing you know, they now have the hooker simple strategy and called the $100 off girl with big breasts in the photo.

Where's the "images aren't graphic enough" choice? 0 :-)

Quote: AxelWolf

Living in vegas since 1990 I have been to many strip clubs (I even found a few lucrative advantage plays in the clubs) not once have any of the stripers indicated she was a working girl, nor has there been any female customers that seemed to be working. I'm certain the strippers and security would run a working girl out. I'm not saying it never happens I just don't think it's that common. I can usually spot a hooker a mile away.

Come on, I went to one with you and one availed herself to me and you know the girls pay way more attention to you than me. Of course, they never are totally direct about it inside the club. Here was the conversation from that incident:

Girl: It's my birthday next week.
Wiz: What are you going to do to celebrate?
Girl: You.

Quote: Wizard

Ouch!!! To be honest, I'm quite sure you're right. I could have a lot more fun my single years if I weren't terrified of rejection.

I was going to say the same thing. Most women expect Men to make the first move. And that's really hard as a man when it feels like rejection would feel 100x worse than just not having sex.

Quote: gamerfreak

I was going to say the same thing. Most women expect Men to make the first move. And that's really hard as a man, when it feels like rejection would feel 100x worse than just not having sex.

You're absolutely right! When I was single, given that being rejected would send me into a depression lasting months, it was definitely negative EV to make the first move.

Very interesting read.

As a gay man, my Vegas experience is obviously way different.

I can say one thing: I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

I once had a gay pole dancer with an amazing body try to get me to pay him $150 for "anything and everything." I will decline to answer whether I accepted his offer.

Quote: ams288

Very interesting read.

As a gay man, my Vegas experience is obviously way different.

I can say one thing: I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

I once had a gay pole dancer with an amazing body try to get me to pay him $150 for "anything and everything." I will decline to answer whether I accepted his offer.

Most manwhores charge $10. He probably harnessed the power of his mangina. Deuce Bigalow references for those who never saw the movie.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Quote: ams288

Very interesting read.

As a gay man, my Vegas experience is obviously way different.

I can say one thing: I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

I once had a gay pole dancer with an amazing body try to get me to pay him $150 for "anything and everything." I will decline to answer whether I accepted his offer.

Most manwhores charge $10. He probably harnessed the power of his mangina. Deuce Bigalow references for those who never saw the movie.

He was gay. Duece Bigalow was straight.

Speaking of which, anyone ever watch "Gigalos" on Showtime?

How much are $1000 hookers now?

: )

This evening John pays 3 hookers $500 each.
If the vice squad shows up, how much money will John have left tomorrow?

You can make this work for this site in more ways than one.

Does the context in which the slapper cards are re-published on this site, as well as leaving the phone number in the image, constitute an endorsement or a copyright/trademark violation?

Quote: ams288

Very interesting read.

As a gay man, my Vegas experience is obviously way different.

I can say one thing: I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

I once had a gay pole dancer with an amazing body try to get me to pay him $150 for "anything and everything." I will decline to answer whether I accepted his offer.

Serious question: does the price change based on which end of the deal you prefer?

Quote: Wizard

Ouch!!! To be honest, I'm quite sure you're right. I could have a lot more fun my single years if I weren't terrified of rejection.

how much of the $2.4M did you use for 'research' into this article? :)

Quote: ams288

I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

It doesn't shock me at all. The male escort probably enjoyed the sex anyway and likely often partakes for free.

There is simply and imbalance between men and women regarding the desire/need for sex. Big male demand + small female supply = high prices.

Quote: 100xOdds

how much of the $2.4M did you use for 'research' into this article? :)

*snort*

Quote: gamerfreak

Quote: ams288

Very interesting read.

As a gay man, my Vegas experience is obviously way different.

I can say one thing: I'm shocked by how much more female escorts can charge compared to gay escorts.

I once had a gay pole dancer with an amazing body try to get me to pay him $150 for "anything and everything." I will decline to answer whether I accepted his offer.

Serious question: does the price change based on which end of the deal you prefer?

Generally no. I think most escorts would specify up front whether they are top/bottom or both and the "Johns" will specifically seek out whichever speciality they are looking for.

For those not easily offended, here are some more:

Jayda
Akiko
Monica
Mya
Devi
Kim
Jena
Tess and Gina
Cassidy
Sean (They look more like single D's to me)
Nora
Bambi (Why does every girl named Bambi look like this?)
Carlita

For much less $ than what was mentioned in the article you can get a lapdance in a strip club and in many of the joints depending on the place and the particular girl pretty much anything goes. Of course you don't generally remove all your clothes if that matters to you. You probably won't have complete privacy if that matters to you. Pretty much nobody cares what you are doing. You can pick and choose which girl you want and have a wide selection. I had some legendary lapdances in A.C. in the early 90s before I was married. Quite a few of the girls were drop dead movie star gorgeous. I had never heard of lapdances before I started going to these clubs in and around A.C. I believe A.C. might deserve credit for being one of the the first cities to exploit and popularize lapdancing.

I'd like to respond with what I really want to say, but suspect BBB will ban me.

Great article, great job, looking forward to more interesting stuff like this. Obviously, I didn't have a clue this goes on in Las Vegas. Maybe it's true what they say. "what happens there really stays there".

Quote: lilredrooster

For much less $ than what was mentioned in the article you can get a lapdance in a strip club and in many of the joints depending on the place and the particular girl pretty much anything goes.

Huge disagreement from me. At a Vegas strip club a lap dance on the floor will last two minutes, cost $20, and nothing will happen.

In the VIP room you'll pay about $250 for 20-30 minutes. There you can touch her upstairs and she will likely be totally nude. However, you'll still be totally dressed and leave frustrated.

In my opinion Vegas Strip clubs are terrible way to seek sexual satisfaction. They're fine if you just want to look but they offer a terrible value for more than that.

Quote: Wizard

In the VIP room you'll pay about $250 for 20-30 minutes. .

Maybe there is real action at higher prices. Did you ever ask?

Those places don't make a lot of sense to me, except for getting ripped off paying for overpriced champagne which is what I usually hear about.