Five reported dead in northeast Las Vegas police ambush
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I'm surprised nobody posted about this yet, so I'll be the first.
The question for the poll is why do you think there are so many random mass shootings in the the US?
We are a sophisticated dense populated country compared to a lot of other countries.
That being said I think it is a combination of everything listed above.
Quote: GWAEAre there really that many more here than other places per capita?
We are a sophisticated dense populated country compared to a lot of other countries.
Well, yes. Other similarly sophisticated and densely populated countries make it much (MUCH) more difficult to acquire firearms...
The nonstop media hype makes violence feel more ubiquitous, but the facts prove the opposite.
Quote: GWAEAre there really that many more here than other places per capita?
Yes, and less than others.
This article has a map of homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population. For example, here is where some countries fit it:
Canada: 0.01 to 1
United Stated: 2 to 5
Brazil: 12 to 70
Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
There's plenty of truth in that statement, brother.
Quote: FleaStiffThey shot two cops having lunch at a pizza parlor and took their guns "for a revolution"? What sort of a revolution lasts, at most, eighteen rounds?
Based on the description in the LVRJ article, I have a feeling the plan was:
(a) Kill the cops and get their weapons;
(b) Use the cops' weapons to get everybody out of the Wal-Mart, where they could stock up on rifles and ammo (that's my guess as to why they had the duffel bags)
Quote: WizardYes, and less than others.
This article has a map of homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population. For example, here is where some countries fit it:
Canada: 0.01 to 1
United Stated: 2 to 5
Brazil: 12 to 70
The one thing that I question is how many of our deaths by firearm where done with an illegal firearm, which would make stricter gun laws meaningless.
Wait a minute. This is a general homicide rate.Quote: WizardYes, and less than others.
This article has a map of homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population. For example, here is where some countries fit it:
Canada: 0.01 to 1
United Stated: 2 to 5
Brazil: 12 to 70
What we are talking about here is mad killing spree. We often hear about these from the U.S., not from Brazil (or anywhere else). The Middle East is another cadidate, but in the form of bomb attacks.
We just had one in Brussels (it is an anti-Jew attack by a Syrian fighter, so the case is ambiguous).
But definitely the unavailability of guns goes a long way to make these killings much more difficult to commit in Europe.
Should I refer to "Bowling for Columbine" by Michael Moore?
Tragic, and oh so cowardly.
Quote: WizardYes, and less than others.
This article has a map of homicide by firearm rate per 100,000 population. For example, here is where some countries fit it:
Canada: 0.01 to 1
United Stated: 2 to 5
Brazil: 12 to 70
This chart shows the total homicide rate by 100,000 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade
It's important to compare the overall rate with the rate by guns, as it may just be that the gun is the weapon of choice for murder in the US, but the overall rate is lower than another country.
Canada in 2010's : 1.6 - 1.7
US : 4.7 - 4.8
England and Wales : 1.23
Mexico : 15 - 20
Russia : 12 - 13
Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
As are casino pit bosses and floormen. and the whole system. Eh?
People are responsible for handling their "stress." Out of 300 Million Americans, there are going to be lots and lots of VERY serious Fails.
Quote:Jesus Bustamante, 27, was at the Wal-Mart with his cousin, Emmanuel Florez, 26, to buy an Xbox when the shooting began.
“Should we run?” Florez asked his cousin as the shots rang out, Bustamante said. “Hell yes, we should run!” Bustamante replied, and the pair joined the other shoppers and Wal-Mart employees flooding out the back of the store.
By 11:27 a.m., just five minutes after officials received a call about the ambush at the pizzeria, they received the first call about the shooting in the Wal-Mart.
Outside the Wal-Mart, police swarmed. Bustamante said he saw one motorcycle officer dump his bike in his haste to get inside. One police officer got inside the store, then came back out to tell everyone outside to get away.
Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
Wow just like all card counters and advantage players are cheaters?
Quote: djatcWow just like all card counters and advantage players are cheaters?
I think you're quoting the wrong person :p
Finally the truth from an insider.Quote: PaigowdanAs are casino pit bosses and floormen.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com
Quote: rudeboyoiI think you're quoting the wrong person :p
No this was a blanket statement you made regarding police officers. You mean to tell me you wouldn't require their services if your house got robbed, or you got attacked on the street? Had you stated that some police officers are scumbags, then the conversation would change.
Casino personnel see APs and counters as cheaters as well. Some may be, but all aren't.
I both agree and disagree. The truth is there are a ton of criminal scumbags in general.Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
I think the seemingly high rate of scumbagishness in that field is due to the type of person it takes to be a cop. The average nice guy with a good demeanor just is not cut out for that type of job. At that point its more about having some self control. Making it worst, as in a lot of different authority type positions they form clicks and a " brotherhood", few will out their fellow peers.
Quote: djatcNo this was a blanket statement you made regarding police officers. You mean to tell me you wouldn't require their services if your house got robbed, or you got attacked on the street? Had you stated that some police officers are scumbags, then the conversation would change.
Casino personnel see APs and counters as cheaters as well. Some may be, but all aren't.
Only you can protect your home. If your house is getting robbed do you really think police will be there in time? Burglaries take a few minutes. Much faster than the average police response time. If you're getting attacked on the street do you think a police officer will magically appear in meer seconds? All police are scumbags the moment they put on that badge. No person should be granted power over another.
Quote: rudeboyoiOnly you can protect your home. If your house is getting robbed do you really think police will be there in time? Burglaries take a few minutes. Much faster than the average police response time. If you're getting attacked on the street do you think a police officer will magically appear in meer seconds? All police are scumbags the moment they put on that badge. No person should be granted power over another.
This is why i have guns. 'murca
Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
Really? Thousands upon thousands of great and caring officers out and a couple of them die and that is what you have to say? There may be some bad apples in the police force, just like there are everywhere, but they aren't, overall, criminals and scumbags. Your comment is disrespectful to those who died and is totally reprehensible. It sheds a bad light on you as a person.
I'm sure your personal point of view is tainted because of your "situation", but a few bad apples does not make them all scumbags.
Quote: rudeboyoiOnly you can protect your home. If your house is getting robbed do you really think police will be there in time? Burglaries take a few minutes. Much faster than the average police response time. If you're getting attacked on the street do you think a police officer will magically appear in meer seconds?
Good point--the police cannot be everywhere; we do have to protect our own belongings to some extent. More importantly, we have to protect ourselves. things are just that--things. They can be replaced. Our lives and those of our family? We need to stand ready to protect them.
Quote: rudeboyoiAll police are scumbags the moment they put on that badge. No person should be granted power over another.
So no one should have any power over anyone? What would that look like? You make a great point and then you sound ridiculously silly in the very next paragraph. I'm not backing off, probable suspension or not--your statement that all police are scumbags is ridiculous and uncalled for. We should find every corrupt police officer and toss them in the slammer but that doesn't make all of them scumbags...
It's not their fault taking this job anymore than any other. How they do their jobs has changed, but not up to them. You can't have a revolution without shooting them,
so it's part of the job hazard to be vulnerable to be attacked by these people.
Quote: rdw4potusWell, yes. Other similarly sophisticated and densely populated countries make it much (MUCH) more difficult to acquire firearms...
If gun control would solve the problem then 3 cops wouldn't have been shot last week in New Brunswick, Canada. Nut case just walked up to their cruisers and shot them.
Quote: WizardThe question for the poll is why do you think there are so many random mass shootings in the the US?
The use of prescribed psychotropic drugs is a common link between the shooters.
Years ago, many of these people would have been institutionalized.
Now they are only prescribed drugs like Prozac and Thorazine that can cause confusion, loss of sense of reality and unusual thoughts or behavior.
They are prescribing drugs to diagnosed psychopaths that can make them even more psychotic.
Drugs Prescribed to Mass Murderers
Quote: RonCReally? Thousands upon thousands of great and caring officers out and a couple of them die and that is what you have to say? There may be some bad apples in the police force, just like there are everywhere, but they aren't, overall, criminals and scumbags. Your comment is disrespectful to those who died and is totally reprehensible. It sheds a bad light on you as a person.
I'm sure your personal point of view is tainted because of your "situation", but a few bad apples does not make them all scumbags.
My comment is respectful to those that have been victimized by the police. Through my situation I was able to learn the truth of what's really going on here. Police officers are revenue collectors. Every day you're locked up in the state of AZ, they get $100 from the federal government. From 1917-1997 there were 90,000 convicted felons in the state. From 1997-2010 there were 200,000 more. Incarcerating people has become big business. The price of feeding an inmate per day in the Maricopa county jail system is 37cents. It takes 3 officers to watch over 144 inmates. In 2010 selling junk food to inmates through commissary generated an additional $5million in revenue. You do the math.
Quote: MrVIt is rare for a shooter / killer to be a woman..
What's up with this woman doing an
an angry white guys job?
Quote: rudeboyoiPolice are the real criminals and scumbags.
Also vaccines cause autism.
Quote: rudeboyoiThrough my situation I was able to learn the truth of what's really going on here. Police officers are revenue collectors. Every day you're locked up in the state of AZ, they get $100 from the federal government. From 1917-1997 there were 90,000 convicted felons in the state. From 1997-2010 there were 200,000 more.
There may be more convicted felons, but they are not all incarcerated.
More convictions is a result of a growing population and more crime, combined with more Police and increased enforcement.
Total AZ prison population is around 40,000.
Arizona
I didn't want to comment earlier because I don't think this thread on the loss of two policeman is the appropriate place for a gun control debate, but the map posted by wizard is very 'eye-opening'. Europe, Canada and Australia have very low gun homicide rates compared to the US while the other places have a much higher. And the thing that Canada, Europe and Australia have in common is tighter gun restrictions. I know the pro-gun folks have an argument in the second amendment, but this data is pretty hard to ignore.
Quote: TankoThere may be more convicted felons, but they are not all incarcerated.
More convictions is a result of a growing population and more crime, combined with more Police and increased enforcement.
Total AZ prison population is around 40,000.
Arizona
Just taking the averages over the periods. About 1k/yr over an 80yr period and about 16k/yr over a 13yr period. Do you really think that difference in rate is based primarily on population growth?
Quote: rudeboyoiMy comment is respectful to those that have been victimized by the police.
This is not about them. This is about two cops who were shot in cold blood by criminals. The two cops were victimized by criminals. All criminals are scum.
Quote: rudeboyoiThrough my situation I was able to learn the truth of what's really going on here. Police officers are revenue collectors. Every day you're locked up in the state of AZ, they get $100 from the federal government.
The states do get money from the federal government for the costs of incarcerating FEDERAL prisoners, but your going to have to provide a little more proof of your $100 for ALL prisoners.
Quote: rudeboyoiFrom 1917-1997 there were 90,000 convicted felons in the state. From 1997-2010 there were 200,000 more. Incarcerating people has become big business. The price of feeding an inmate per day in the Maricopa county jail system is 37cents. It takes 3 officers to watch over 144 inmates. In 2010 selling junk food to inmates through commissary generated an additional $5million in revenue. You do the math.
I guess you think we should just have a "no catch" policy regarding criminals. Amazingly, a lot of types of crime decreased as the population of prisoners grew. That most likely means that some of the right folks are in jail and are unable to commit additional crimes. I know that we can do better in sorting out who does and doesn't belong in prison, but just letting everyone wander the streets is not going to work!
Quote: RonCThis is not about them. This is about two cops who were shot in cold blood by criminals. The two cops were victimized by criminals. All criminals are scum.
And it makes me giddy with delight. How about all the citizens (and their dogs too) that cops shoot in cold blood? This is justice for them.
Quote: RonCThe states do get money from the federal government for the costs of incarcerating FEDERAL prisoners, but your going to have to provide a little more proof of your $100 for ALL prisoners.
You could be right here. The validity of either way is verifiable. I dont feel like doing the research though.
Quote: RonCI guess you think we should just have a "no catch" policy regarding criminals. Amazingly, a lot of types of crime decreased as the population of prisoners grew. That most likely means that some of the right folks are in jail and are unable to commit additional crimes. I know that we can do better in sorting out who does and doesn't belong in prison, but just letting everyone wander the streets is not going to work!
Why not? Citizens should be fully capable to defend themselves and those close to themselves incapable of defending themselves. Our society has just become weak. Its our weaknesses that attract criminal behavior.
Quote: RonCThis is not about them. This is about two cops who were shot in cold blood by criminals. The two cops were victimized by criminals. All criminals are scum.
Quote: rudeboyoiAnd it makes me giddy with delight.
That makes you nothing but scum.
Quote: rudeboyoiHow about all the citizens (and their dogs too) that cops shoot in cold blood? This is justice for them.
So someone not involved in shooting anyone being killed is justice for someone else's action?
Quote: rudeboyoiWhy not? Citizens should be fully capable to defend themselves and those close to themselves incapable of defending themselves. Our society has just become weak. Its our weaknesses that attract criminal behavior.
I'm glad we don't live in the twisted society you'd like us to live in; but I do agree that we should be stronger in our own defense!
Why is no one else calling out rudeboyoi? He's actually "giddy" that cops are killed; yet I'll get suspended for calling him scum.
Quote: RonCThat makes you nothing but scum.
I'll agree with you, anybody that wishes death upon lawmen who for the most part do a good job of protecting law abiding citizens, while putting their necks on the line, is scum. That sentiment is reprehensible. Suspend me if you have to.
Quote: RonCThat makes you nothing but scum.
So someone not involved in shooting anyone being killed is justice for someone else's action?
I'm glad we don't live in the twisted society you'd like us to live in; but I do agree that we should be stronger in our own defense!
Why is no one else calling out rudeboyoi? He's actually "giddy" that cops are killed; yet I'll get suspended for calling him scum.
Doesn't bother me if they suspend you or not. I realize our beliefs are opposite each other and can evoke strong emotions either way. More than 3x as many citizens are killed by law enforcement than law enforcement are killed per year. I'm for what's fair. The closer that gap becomes the happier I'll be.
Quote: MidwestAPI'll agree with you, anybody that wishes death upon lawmen who for the most part do a good job of protecting law abiding citizens, while putting their necks on the line, is scum. That sentiment is reprehensible. Suspend me if you have to.
Explain to me exactly how lawmen protect us.
Quote: RonC
Why is no one else calling out rudeboyoi? He's actually "giddy" that cops are killed; yet I'll get suspended for calling him scum.
Because you're doing a good job.
I can understand the psychology behind his opinion. A cop and the legal system have the potential to be used for ill, and when it is, it can completely erase your life. That is indeed something to fear. That is the work of scum, and anyone who uses that power for ill should be removed from the position.
Killed? Almost never. But sometimes...
Likely not in this case. But I see rudeboioi's comments as the ranting of someone who was wronged. I don't agree, and with the majority of my close friends employed in some level of law enforcement, it hits close to home. But knowing them sort of allows me to understand him. These guys don't fit rude's opinion at all. In fact, they're the ones that are standing up to the state and refusing to enforce its unconstitutional power grab laws. They have pledged their lives to do so, and have faced off, behind closed doors, with the state and refused to move. These are cops, doing the people's work. These are the good ones. These guys are the ones who show me how bad the bad ones are. And seeing how bad the bad ones are lets me understand rude's rage.
Because I know them, I look at all cops as them, even though I know there are bad apples. I imagine because of his experience, rude looks at all cops as bad apples, even though I assume he knows there's got to be at least one decent 5-0 out there somewhere.
I'm not saying I approve of the content of his rant. Just that I understand.
