AZDuffman
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February 24th, 2010 at 10:01:38 AM permalink
I love both the movie and book "Casino." I was wondering if anyone out there met or worked with either Frank Rosenthal or Tony Spilotro and had some real-life stories to share.

Or any other personal stories form the pre-1980 "mobbed up" era of Vegas.
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March 3rd, 2010 at 10:31:39 PM permalink
Tony died in 1986, and Frank was forced out of Vegas in 1988 never to return for the last 20 years of his life.
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March 4th, 2010 at 1:26:32 PM permalink
During the research for my Vegas and the Mob books I met Frank Cullotta, Tony Spilotro's boyhood friend from Chicago and former lieutenant here in Vegas. In Casino, Frank Vincent played the "Frankie" character based on Cullotta. Frank and I co-authored his biography in 2007.

I also met and interviewed a lady who worked for Lefty. She has some great stories about "the day."
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March 4th, 2010 at 1:57:51 PM permalink
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During the research for my Vegas and the Mob books I met Frank Cullotta, Tony Spilotro's boyhood friend from Chicago and former lieutenant here in Vegas. In Casino, Frank Vincent played the "Frankie" character based on Cullotta. Frank and I co-authored his biography in 2007.

I also met and interviewed a lady who worked for Lefty. She has some great stories about "the day."



Any you care to share? I love that stuff.

I haven't decided if I will buy that book or not.

BTW" Culotta has a cameo in "Casino." But I'd guess you knew that.
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March 4th, 2010 at 1:59:26 PM permalink
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During the research for my Vegas and the Mob books I met Frank Cullotta, Tony Spilotro's boyhood friend from Chicago and former lieutenant here in Vegas. In Casino, Frank Vincent played the "Frankie" character based on Cullotta. Frank and I co-authored his biography in 2007.

I also met and interviewed a lady who worked for Lefty. She has some great stories about "the day."



Any you care to share? I love that stuff.

I haven't decided if I will buy that book or not.

BTW" Culotta has a cameo in "Casino." But I'd guess you knew that.
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March 4th, 2010 at 3:02:50 PM permalink
Prior to co-authoring Frank's bio in 2007, in 2006 I wrote The Battle for Las Vegas - The Law vs. the Mob. I hadn't met Frank yet and most of my sources were the retired FBI agents and Metro detectives who had worked the Spilotro investigations. Along with them I found some former casino employees who had rubbed elbows with the gangsters and this one lady who had worked at the Stardust in an executive position. Her immediate boss was Lefty. In the book I gave her the fictious name of Connie. I enjoyed her story of the time Lefty sent her to San Diego to help edit his first taping of "The Lefty Rosenthal Show." The owner of record at that time was Allen Glick, president of the Argent Corp. There were all kinds of rumors floating around the stardust as to who was really running things. This one incident made it clear to Connie who the real boss was. As she explained it:

ďOne day I was asked to fly to San Diego to do some editing on our first television show. Upon returning the next day, I was called into Mr. Glickís office. He wanted to know where I had been and who gave me permission to go. I told him. He was anything but nice as he gave me the choice of never again doing what Mr. Rosenthal asked me to do or being fired. Iím sure my loyalty to Mr. Rosenthal was evident to Mr. Glick. But as a young single mother with two children to support, his words scared me and my mind went into freeze mode. I didnít know what to do and stewed over it the rest of the day.

ďThat evening as I was leaving the casino, I passed Mr. Rosenthal and several of his associates, who were on their way to the Moby Dick restaurant, their favorite place to meet in the Stardust. Mr. Rosenthal said hello to me and I replied back, but without my usual enthusiasm or smile.

ďAfter taking a few more steps I heard my name called. I turned around and Mr. Rosenthal motioned me over to him; he wanted to know if everything was okay. I told him no, it wasnít. I explained about my session with Mr. Glick. Mr. Rosenthal then asked me to come with him to the Moby Dick.

ďInside the restaurant he had the maitre dí bring a phone to our table. He called Mr. Glick, who had already returned to his home in La Jolla, California. The conversation from Mr. Rosenthalís end went like this: ĎGood evening, Allen. I hear that you had Connie come to your office today on a matter that doesnít really concern you. We need to get something straight, Allen. I run things around here; Connie works for me, not you. And if you ever approach her or threaten to fire her again, Iíll break both of your legs. Do you understand? Thatís good. Good evening, Allen.í He hung up the phone and told me I didnít have to worry about anything like that happening again. From that point on, Mr. Glick never bothered me again. In fact, he didnít even speak to me.Ē
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March 5th, 2010 at 8:33:32 AM permalink
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Prior to co-authoring Frank's bio in 2007, in 2006 I wrote The Battle for Las Vegas - The Law vs. the Mob. I hadn't met Frank yet and most of my sources were the retired FBI agents and Metro detectives who had worked the Spilotro investigations. Along with them I found some former casino employees who had rubbed elbows with the gangsters and this one lady who had worked at the Stardust in an executive position. Her immediate boss was Lefty. In the book I gave her the fictious name of Connie. I enjoyed her story of the time Lefty sent her to San Diego to help edit his first taping of "The Lefty Rosenthal Show." The owner of record at that time was Allen Glick, president of the Argent Corp. There were all kinds of rumors floating around the stardust as to who was really running things. This one incident made it clear to Connie who the real boss was. As she explained it:

ďOne day I was asked to fly to San Diego to do some editing on our first television show. Upon returning the next day, I was called into Mr. Glickís office. He wanted to know where I had been and who gave me permission to go. I told him. He was anything but nice as he gave me the choice of never again doing what Mr. Rosenthal asked me to do or being fired. Iím sure my loyalty to Mr. Rosenthal was evident to Mr. Glick. But as a young single mother with two children to support, his words scared me and my mind went into freeze mode. I didnít know what to do and stewed over it the rest of the day.

ďThat evening as I was leaving the casino, I passed Mr. Rosenthal and several of his associates, who were on their way to the Moby Dick restaurant, their favorite place to meet in the Stardust. Mr. Rosenthal said hello to me and I replied back, but without my usual enthusiasm or smile.

ďAfter taking a few more steps I heard my name called. I turned around and Mr. Rosenthal motioned me over to him; he wanted to know if everything was okay. I told him no, it wasnít. I explained about my session with Mr. Glick. Mr. Rosenthal then asked me to come with him to the Moby Dick.

ďInside the restaurant he had the maitre dí bring a phone to our table. He called Mr. Glick, who had already returned to his home in La Jolla, California. The conversation from Mr. Rosenthalís end went like this: ĎGood evening, Allen. I hear that you had Connie come to your office today on a matter that doesnít really concern you. We need to get something straight, Allen. I run things around here; Connie works for me, not you. And if you ever approach her or threaten to fire her again, Iíll break both of your legs. Do you understand? Thatís good. Good evening, Allen.í He hung up the phone and told me I didnít have to worry about anything like that happening again. From that point on, Mr. Glick never bothered me again. In fact, he didnít even speak to me.Ē




Thanks, this is the kind of story I find interesting. Was there a title to Frank's Bio? You have added three books to my reading list.

I have heard Frank was a George Patton type of leader. Everyone hated the SOB but at the same time they followed the strong leadership and he even eventually had some fans among the workers.

BTW: I found about ten minutes of his show on the net somewhere (lost the url.) I couldn't believe it was a #1 local show.
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March 5th, 2010 at 8:38:46 AM permalink
Frank's bio is CULLOTTA - The Life of a Chicago Criminal, Las Vegas Mobster, and Government Witness.

Connie considered Lefty to be her main male mentor after her father. He was a tough boss - perhaps the Patton type as you said. But she respected him as a leader and enjoyed her time with him.
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March 5th, 2010 at 8:53:14 AM permalink
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Frank's bio is CULLOTTA - The Life of a Chicago Criminal, Las Vegas Mobster, and Government Witness.

Connie considered Lefty to be her main male mentor after her father. He was a tough boss - perhaps the Patton type as you said. But she respected him as a leader and enjoyed her time with him.



Did you do Culotta's Bio as well as Lefty's or am I getting my Franks mixed up?

Lefty sounds like this guy I worked for only for about a year. I wish I met him years before but at a younger age I might not have appriciated it. Anyways, there was a problem with our union medical plan. It was near a major grievence with the Teamsters. Guy calls me form Buffalo and says, "GET ON THE PHONE AND GET IT FIXED." I was in Rochester, about 90 mins away. It was one of those things you could fix in one phone call and I did. He gets back and I tell him I fixed it and would see it thru monthly. He started to apologize for being too direct. I said, "Hey, Tony, don't apologize. You are the only one here who said fix it. Everyone else wanted to just have a meeting." We worked very well after that, though I later learned he was the same as Frank and would want to fire someone he saw loafing in the plant one time. 50/50 employees loved/hated him.

From what I read Rosenthal appriciated competence and had no time for incompotence. OC or no OC I can see where running a casino would make you that way.
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March 5th, 2010 at 9:19:22 AM permalink
AZ,

I think you're giving a very accurate description of Lefty. A real no-nonsense kind of guy. No dead wood tolerated. And you're right, we've got an abundance of Franks lol. But Cullotta and Rosenthal were similar in their management styles - they both demanded competence and performance.

I was contacted by Connie last night seeking my opinion on her writing a book about working for Lefty and the Mob in general. I encouraged her to go for it.

And here's an announcement for a Blog Talk Radio show on Saturday:

Former Mobster Frank Cullotta, retired Metro detective Louie DeTiberiis and I, will be part of a panel on the Simon Barrett Show on Blog Talk Radio tomorrow to discuss crime in Las Vegas and the Mob days.

The show starts at noon Pacific - three pm Eastern. The annoncement and additional show info are at:
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March 5th, 2010 at 10:11:19 AM permalink
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AZ,

I think you're giving a very accurate description of Lefty. A real no-nonsense kind of guy. No dead wood tolerated. And you're right, we've got an abundance of Franks lol. But Cullotta and Rosenthal were similar in their management styles - they both demanded competence and performance.

I was contacted by Connie last night seeking my opinion on her writing a book about working for Lefty and the Mob in general. I encouraged her to go for it.

And here's an announcement for a Blog Talk Radio show on Saturday:

Former Mobster Frank Cullotta, retired Metro detective Louie DeTiberiis and I, will be part of a panel on the Simon Barrett Show on Blog Talk Radio tomorrow to discuss crime in Las Vegas and the Mob days.

The show starts at noon Pacific - three pm Eastern. The annoncement and additional show info are at:
http://www.bloggernews.net/123972



Tell Connie I'll end up buying a copy. Will that show be streamed or better yet archived?
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March 5th, 2010 at 10:28:26 AM permalink
I love reading about these guys, too, but I try to be careful to not romanticize them; I don't think anyone here has given me the impression that they do, but it irks me to see young guys who romanticize Tony Montana from Scarface. I've run into some of those types of guys here locally, and frankly they scare the daylights out of me, make my hair stand on end, even when they're being friendly.
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March 5th, 2010 at 11:43:13 AM permalink
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I love reading about these guys, too, but I try to be careful to not romanticize them; I don't think anyone here has given me the impression that they do, but it irks me to see young guys who romanticize Tony Montana from Scarface. I've run into some of those types of guys here locally, and frankly they scare the daylights out of me, make my hair stand on end, even when they're being friendly.



It is about being interested in how they made it. Tony Montana was a movie charachter so people who romanticize him for real are a little off. I love his charachter in the film, however. As far as Rosenthal goes the guy was connected, no one disputes that. But he still made some very good business decisions as far as running the casino went. And he still commanded respect. So you need to look at how it was done and see if you can do it for good.

One thing I have heard from people that worked there then is they preferred the outfit to the corporations. They said the outfit treated employees far better as long as you didn't steal. God help you if you got caught doing that.
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March 5th, 2010 at 11:58:30 AM permalink
It will be both streamed and archived.

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March 5th, 2010 at 12:15:33 PM permalink
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I love reading about these guys, too, but I try to be careful to not romanticize them; I don't think anyone here has given me the impression that they do, but it irks me to see young guys who romanticize Tony Montana from Scarface. I've run into some of those types of guys here locally, and frankly they scare the daylights out of me, make my hair stand on end, even when they're being friendly.



It is about being interested in how they made it. Tony Montana was a movie charachter so people who romanticize him for real are a little off. I love his charachter in the film, however. As far as Rosenthal goes the guy was connected, no one disputes that. But he still made some very good business decisions as far as running the casino went. And he still commanded respect. So you need to look at how it was done and see if you can do it for good.

One thing I have heard from people that worked there then is they preferred the outfit to the corporations. They said the outfit treated employees far better as long as you didn't steal. God help you if you got caught doing that.



I understand. I'd give examples, but a lot of the people I'd name, I live among.

I just wrote a whole lot more, but thought the better of it and hit delete.
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September 4th, 2023 at 3:06:41 PM permalink
Stumbled back on this thread after I heard Frank's boss, Allen Glick, had died 2 years ago. Surprised we didn't see him in the celebrity deaths thread. or if it was there I missed it. But the obit...

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Allen owned and operated the Stardust Hotel and Casino, Fremont Hotel and Casino, and Marina Casino. Argent Corporation was one of the largest owners of casino and hotel properties in Nevada in the mid-seventies, bringing the first race and sports book operation to the "Strip". His company was also responsible for bringing the Siegfreid and Roy show into prominence.



While he did not write it, it is a little in bad taste to give Glick credit for what Frank did when he wanted to get rid of Frank. Meanwhile, in recent years it appears Frank was at the least a casual FBI informant and Glick was fully aware of who his partners were.
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September 4th, 2023 at 3:17:40 PM permalink
Well AZ,
I have a story but not Vegas related.
Anyhow whitey Bulgers crew used to occasionally hijack trucks. They would then bring them to my fathers farm in NH and store them in our barn for a week or two. We had no idea that they were hijacked. The driver said he didnít have room at his house to park the truck.We used to sell hay to them because they owned race horses and thatís how we met them.
I only found this out a few years ago but the hijackingís were in the 7is and 80s
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