gunbj
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February 27th, 2024 at 1:58:33 AM permalink
Hello everyone,
If someone who’s been backed off while playing rated returns to the same casino a few years later and plays rated again, will he get an automatic back off upon presenting the card to the pit?
Would something kind of flagging come up on the computer screen or similar?
Or does the casino only find out if they search the name of the player in their database?
I know it probably depends on the casino, but is there an “industry standard”?
Thanks
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February 27th, 2024 at 3:58:48 AM permalink
All kinds of notes can be placed in the system that will be seen as soon as their player card info is entered. If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear. No sensible person would show their player card when they know this info is in there.

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That is not to say people will be sensible. But when the pit boss sees this security will be called.
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February 27th, 2024 at 4:39:15 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

All kinds of notes can be placed in the system that will be seen as soon as their player card info is entered. If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear. No sensible person would show their player card when they know this info is in there.

No
Sensible
Person

That is not to say people will be sensible. But when the pit boss sees this security will be called.
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I have seen it where since a few years had passed the person was simply told they shouldn't be on property and it was in their best interests to just leave.

It probably depends on the employee. Not everyone loves to summon security.
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February 27th, 2024 at 4:57:37 AM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman

All kinds of notes can be placed in the system that will be seen as soon as their player card info is entered. If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear. No sensible person would show their player card when they know this info is in there.

No
Sensible
Person

That is not to say people will be sensible. But when the pit boss sees this security will be called.
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I have seen it where since a few years had passed the person was simply told they shouldn't be on property and it was in their best interests to just leave.

It probably depends on the employee. Not everyone loves to summon security.
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It will of course depend on a few things. But if you are a Pit Boss and it says "call security if player attempts to play" and you do not call security then you are not going to be a Pit Boss for very long. That would be ignoring a direct order.

OTOH, if it says something like, "known aggressive player, please monitor play closely" then it is a grey area. More a judgment call.

Finally, if someone on the self-exclusion list comes in then the casino faces fines and penalties if they let the person play. I cannot say for sure but a Pit Boss who saw this and let them play may face individual prosecution.
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darkoz
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February 27th, 2024 at 6:48:02 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AZDuffman

All kinds of notes can be placed in the system that will be seen as soon as their player card info is entered. If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear. No sensible person would show their player card when they know this info is in there.

No
Sensible
Person

That is not to say people will be sensible. But when the pit boss sees this security will be called.
link to original post



I have seen it where since a few years had passed the person was simply told they shouldn't be on property and it was in their best interests to just leave.

It probably depends on the employee. Not everyone loves to summon security.
link to original post



It will of course depend on a few things. But if you are a Pit Boss and it says "call security if player attempts to play" and you do not call security then you are not going to be a Pit Boss for very long. That would be ignoring a direct order.

OTOH, if it says something like, "known aggressive player, please monitor play closely" then it is a grey area. More a judgment call.

Finally, if someone on the self-exclusion list comes in then the casino faces fines and penalties if they let the person play. I cannot say for sure but a Pit Boss who saw this and let them play may face individual prosecution.
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I agree with most of what you said.

But not on a pit boss facing prosecution. They have to be violating a particular law ("ex. It is unlawful to knowingly allow someone self excluded to play. Any such individual shall be guilty of class A felony " yada yada.

If there's no specific law broken, then there's no law broken.

He probably would have his job in danger if the gaming board issued penalties and or there was a law suit.
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February 27th, 2024 at 7:08:36 AM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: darkoz

Quote: AZDuffman

All kinds of notes can be placed in the system that will be seen as soon as their player card info is entered. If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear. No sensible person would show their player card when they know this info is in there.

No
Sensible
Person

That is not to say people will be sensible. But when the pit boss sees this security will be called.
link to original post



I have seen it where since a few years had passed the person was simply told they shouldn't be on property and it was in their best interests to just leave.

It probably depends on the employee. Not everyone loves to summon security.
link to original post



It will of course depend on a few things. But if you are a Pit Boss and it says "call security if player attempts to play" and you do not call security then you are not going to be a Pit Boss for very long. That would be ignoring a direct order.

OTOH, if it says something like, "known aggressive player, please monitor play closely" then it is a grey area. More a judgment call.

Finally, if someone on the self-exclusion list comes in then the casino faces fines and penalties if they let the person play. I cannot say for sure but a Pit Boss who saw this and let them play may face individual prosecution.
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I agree with most of what you said.

But not on a pit boss facing prosecution. They have to be violating a particular law ("ex. It is unlawful to knowingly allow someone self excluded to play. Any such individual shall be guilty of class A felony " yada yada.

If there's no specific law broken, then there's no law broken.

He probably would have his job in danger if the gaming board issued penalties and or there was a law suit.
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It would also be in danger if he ignored an 86 warning on the PC account. Fired, just no prosecution.
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gunbj
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February 27th, 2024 at 4:55:57 PM permalink
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If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear.
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What about a simple back off?
Is it common practice to burn the accounts of people who have simply been told not to play?
I am asking because I have heard of many people using their player’s card after a back off without any problems, but I’m just trying to understand whether it’s the norm or the exception.
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February 27th, 2024 at 5:15:56 PM permalink
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Quote: AZDuffman

If they are either self-excluded or 86ed it is going to say so loud and clear.
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What about a simple back off?
Is it common practice to burn the accounts of people who have simply been told not to play?
I am asking because I have heard of many people using their player’s card after a back off without any problems, but I’m just trying to understand whether it’s the norm or the exception.
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The system should be noted with what was done. Backed off for 24 hours it will say so. 86ed for life it will say so. Self-excluded it will for sure make sure to say so.

Point being, Pit Bosses will be trained to document what is going on so the next person knows.

They are not going to "burn" the account. They want to keep notes.
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February 29th, 2024 at 2:07:24 PM permalink
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but is there an “industry standard”?



No.

Two places in Las Vegas let me back in recently after having been backed off a few years ago and also heard rumors about another one I might be welcome back at. So much depends on who authorized it, why it was done, how it was done, how it was communicated up and down the chain, who you might know, and lots of other things we can never know.

This is one of those times where it can hurt to ask, because you could lose the ability to play unrated. If there is a customer support email address that could be a good way to go, because you don't have to show your face. Can also be a good idea to scout it out unrated and get a feel for how things might be different now and then try to proceed.
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