Unfair Dice
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Sounds reasonable. However, since only a very small minority of players are regular darkside bettors, wouldn't the casinos still be incentivized to use unfair dice? If that's the case then playing don't pass could potentially be a positive EV bet.
On the other hand, Vegas is featuring a lot more crapless craps than ever before 🤷♂️
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
Quote: Ace2Not at all related to gambler's fallacy.
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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Thank you, I found this rabbit hole most interesting
I thought crapless craps didnt have lay bets.Quote: Ace2But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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Quote: Ace2Not at all related to gambler's fallacy.
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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There are lay bets in crapless craps????
Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Not at all related to gambler's fallacy.
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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There are lay bets in crapless craps????
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No
A brief search online leads me to believe that most casinos dont offer lay bets in CC but a few do. Next time in Vegas Ill try it at a few casinos. Probably just the few casinos using fair dice 😆Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Not at all related to gambler's fallacy.
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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There are lay bets in crapless craps????
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Description of first set of dice:Quote: heatmapThis is just a preview click the link to take your red pill
http://dicecollector.com/docs/diceinfo_hc_evans_catalog_1949.pdf
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These dice make the points 6,8,9,10 and 11 and will show oftener
Quote: Ace2Description of first set of dice:Quote: heatmapThis is just a preview click the link to take your red pill
http://dicecollector.com/docs/diceinfo_hc_evans_catalog_1949.pdf
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These dice make the points 6,8,9,10 and 11 and will show oftener
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they had electrically conductive plastic dice back then too look at the entire book
Quote: Ace2A brief search online leads me to believe that most casinos dont offer lay bets in CC but a few do. Next time in Vegas Ill try it at a few casinos. Probably just the few casinos using fair dice 😆Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: Ace2Not at all related to gambler's fallacy.
Good point on crapless craps though. This would be the game where casinos would have most incentive to use unfair dice since there is no Don't Pass line. But it would still be exploitable via lay bets.
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There are lay bets in crapless craps????
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Be sure you let us know which casino offers lay bets on crapless craps.
Just curious: What is the allure of laying the 2 or 12? It's very low variance and you're laying 6 to 1.Quote: AlanMendelson
Be sure you let us know which casino offers lay bets on crapless craps.
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I like medium variance and don't like laying more than 2 to 1.
Quote: Ace2Just curious: What is the allure of laying the 2 or 12? It's very low variance and you're laying 6 to 1.Quote: AlanMendelson
Be sure you let us know which casino offers lay bets on crapless craps.
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I like medium variance and don't like laying more than 2 to 1.
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You found a casino that allows lay bets at crapless craps? Or you're just making up numbers?
Quote: AitchTheLetterTo be honest the whole dice catalog smells like snake oil.
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its been scanned and turned into a pdf they are very old the company existed in the 50s and you can bet they were real and everything in that catalog did what it said it does
I think I also recall their name coming up in a documentary I watched a while back about antique gambling devices (a prohibition era roulette wheel with a hidden solenoid pin actuated by touching a certain screw on the table which connected the batteries hidden in a hollow table leg).
Quote: DieterI believe we saw the HC Evans name on a dice themed gambling wheel a month or so ago.
I think I also recall their name coming up in a documentary I watched a while back about antique gambling devices (a prohibition era roulette wheel with a hidden solenoid pin actuated by touching a certain screw on the table which connected the batteries hidden in a hollow table leg).
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whats interesting is that i think that wheel was modified by someone other than HC evans because that wheel and mechanism is no where in their catalogs... i could be wrong though
Quote: heatmapQuote: DieterI believe we saw the HC Evans name on a dice themed gambling wheel a month or so ago.
I think I also recall their name coming up in a documentary I watched a while back about antique gambling devices (a prohibition era roulette wheel with a hidden solenoid pin actuated by touching a certain screw on the table which connected the batteries hidden in a hollow table leg).
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whats interesting is that i think that wheel was modified by someone other than HC evans because that wheel and mechanism is no where in their catalogs... i could be wrong though
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I do not discount the possibility that it was a different manufacturer, if the roulette gaff was factory.
My brain can be a bit fuzzy on which detail goes with what sometimes, and this roulette gaff coulde be such a gaffe.
Quote: Ace2I'd read that: "For a century after the invention of modern Craps, casinos used unfair dice. In approximately 1907, a dicemaker named John H. Winn in Philadelphia introduced a layout which featured bets on Don't Pass as well as Pass. Virtually all modern casinos use his innovation, which incentivizes casinos to use fair dice."
Sounds reasonable. However, since only a very small minority of players are regular darkside bettors, wouldn't the casinos still be incentivized to use unfair dice? If that's the case then playing don't pass could potentially be a positive EV bet.
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Casinos can't be incentivized to use unfair dice, thus creating a massive exploit for everyone to take advantage of.
No one is that stupid.
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http://www.alaricstephen.com/main-featured/2017/8/14/dice-chirality
The right handed varieties are the ones used in the West. Almost every dice you have ever used has been of that type. However, in China, Japan and Korea the prevailing type is of the left handed variety. If you have ever noticed a dice with a large red pip for the 1 and the four also inexplicably red then you were using a Chinese dice:
The different layouts of pips in the East (top) and West (bottom). Notice the 2 pips.
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This catalog was printed in 1949. Assuming a purchase date of June of that year, a pair of the platinum-filled transparent passers is worth $287.40 in today's dollars. Would you pay that for a pair of dice?
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http://dicecollector.com/docs/diceinfo_hc_evans_catalog_1949.pdf
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This catalog was printed in 1949. Assuming a purchase date of June of that year, a pair of the platinum-filled transparent passers is worth $287.40 in today's dollars. Would you pay that for a pair of dice?
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Do you think it had at least 8 grams of platinum?
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http://dicecollector.com/docs/diceinfo_hc_evans_catalog_1949.pdf
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Sorry for the offtop, maybe you have a similar old book where about the marks on the cards that are visible through the red glass?
I remember that it was in such a similar one, and now I cant find it
