BillHasRetired
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May 13th, 2022 at 12:19:26 AM permalink
I have heard so much conflicting information about this, even between different hosts, that I'm thinking of casting a wider net.

During craps play, I like to pocket some hi-value cheques for a few reasons: so I don't play them easily, reduce the amount of 'cash flashed', and reduce the chance of railbirds snatching them. One host had no opinion, one said 'don't do it, it screws up your rating', and both agreed that if a pumpkin was stolen, I wasn't getting it back.

So what's the consensus? Will stuffing pockets (the Bank of Bill) hurt my rating? Will chips stolen off the rail ever come back? Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks in advance.
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May 13th, 2022 at 4:12:26 AM permalink
If your comps are based on your losses, you are falsifying things by rat-holing.

Some APs talk about rat-holing to reduce the appearance of how much they are winning too

so even if none of that applies to you, it's possibly seen as something shady
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May 13th, 2022 at 6:13:27 AM permalink
One of the reasons I don't play craps is the vulnerability of players' chips. It may be irrational but that's what I noticed and felt the first time I played.
I used to rathole chips until I was given a hard time when I tried to cash in eleven $100 chips at the EC at the end of a trip.
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May 13th, 2022 at 8:20:42 AM permalink
When I used to play I would rat-hole chips as I chose. When suits checked the table, I recall hearing things like, "Where did all the Black chips go? I know I didn't win them." If pressed personally, I would reply that the chips are safer in my pocket.

Of course, the flip side comes when you win, say Quads in UTH, and yiou're due, say $1,200, and the suit wants to pay out in Black chips, just so you cannot easily rat-hole them all.
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May 13th, 2022 at 9:06:33 AM permalink
I understand the concept of rat holing but you are allowed to leave the table with denominational chips so how is it any concern at the table.

I have won chips at plenty of tables, pocketing chips and then walking to a different table or game and playing there, removing chips from said pocket.

No one ever said why are those chips in your pocket.
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May 14th, 2022 at 8:51:38 AM permalink
I knew there had to be some kind of slang for it. Thanks for everyone who posted.

I want to clarify--I've been playing craps for 35 years and have never been railbirded. But that's because I am pretty conscious of everything I've got and always keep a hand on the chips (when the, ah, dunlop isn't covering them)

Now that table mins for the big casinos have gone to 15 and in some places 25 from lowly 5, I don't see why the pit bosses are still keeping track of the $100s. I'd have thought the $100 has become the new $25--big enough to warrant anti-counterfeiting measures, but not big enough to keep track of.
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May 14th, 2022 at 10:55:15 AM permalink
Quote: BillHasRetired

I knew there had to be some kind of slang for it. Thanks for everyone who posted.

I want to clarify--I've been playing craps for 35 years and have never been railbirded. But that's because I am pretty conscious of everything I've got and always keep a hand on the chips (when the, ah, dunlop isn't covering them)

Now that table mins for the big casinos have gone to 15 and in some places 25 from lowly 5, I don't see why the pit bosses are still keeping track of the $100s. I'd have thought the $100 has become the new $25--big enough to warrant anti-counterfeiting measures, but not big enough to keep track of.
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The pit managers at my local casino usually care about the black chips because they are more money and less chips to keep track of

More than occasionally someone will scoop all the green chips and Iíll hear the pit manager ask if they will color up
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May 14th, 2022 at 11:01:20 AM permalink
It depends on the casino. There were a few places pre-covid where I'm not even sure they had $100 chips.
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